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MuzzahLovah 10-31-2012 07:12 PM

Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
How many times does Ferrer have blow Del Potro off the court for his fans to admit that the rankings are accurate?

Nole Rules 10-31-2012 07:16 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
Berdych is a bit of a bad match up for Murray. Does that mean he is a better player than Murray? Certainly no. Ferrer/Delpo is the same case.

MuzzahLovah 10-31-2012 07:18 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nole Rules (Post 12521011)
Berdych is a bit of a bad match up for Murray. Does that mean he is a better player than Murray? Certainly no. Ferrer/Delpo is the same case.

Berdych is not higher ranked than Murray, has nowhere near the level of accomplishments, has a fairly even head to head with him with closely contested matches. Where Ferrer has blown Del Po away all year, won more titles and is ranked more highly than him.

Mark Lenders 10-31-2012 07:24 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
Come on, let's not joke here. Del Potro is leagues ahead of Ferrer in every way, be it level of play or overall achievements (even being so much younger), there is a big chasm between them.

I'd say wake me up when Ferrer wins a Slam/reaches a Slam final but let's make this easier: wake me up when Ferrer beats Federer or a player of similar caliber (Nadal or Djokovic) in the semis or final of any tournament, even a 250 or 500 will do. If you want to make it easier, add Murray and Delpo too, etc... Oh that's right, he can't do it, as he's a non factor in the late stages of events bar those with no top players in the draw.

MuzzahLovah 10-31-2012 07:28 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Lenders (Post 12521037)
Come on, let's not joke here. Del Potro is leagues ahead of Ferrer in every way, be it level of play or overall achievements (even being so much younger), there is a big chasm between them.

I'd say wake me up when Ferrer wins a Slam/reaches a Slam final but let's make this easier: wake me up when Ferrer beats Federer or a player of similar caliber (Nadal or Djokovic) in the semis or final of any tournament, even a 250 or 500 will do. If you want to make it easier, add Murray and Delpo too, etc... Oh that's right, he can't do it, as he's a non factor in the late stages of events bar those with no top players in the draw.

Wake me up when Del Po gets do the semis of a slam again. Anyways, I'm talking about the players and how they are playing and ranked now not their level of accomplishment in the past

Nole Rules 10-31-2012 07:30 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MuzzahLovah (Post 12521020)
Berdych is not higher ranked than Murray, has nowhere near the level of accomplishments, has a fairly even head to head with him with closely contested matches. Where Ferrer has blown Del Po away all year, won more titles and is ranked more highly than him.

Fair enough. I'm not saying that Ferrer doesn't deserve to be ahead of Delpo RIGHT NOW. He did great in GSs this year and deserves his place obviously. However there is no doubt that Delpo is the better player and if he stays fully healthy (big if) next year for the whole season, he will surpass Ferrer most likely.

The problem is that he is just injury-prone. He played many matches when he wasn't even fully fit. His fitness nowhere near Ferrer's level. Ferrer rarely gets injured.

Mark Lenders 10-31-2012 07:30 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MuzzahLovah (Post 12521042)
Wake me up when Del Po gets do the semis of a slam again. Anyways, I'm talking about the players and how they are playing and ranked now not their level of accomplishment in the past

Del Potro just won a tournament beating Federer in the final, that's something Ferrer can't do even in his wildest dreams :shrug: He also won an Olympic medal, definitely a bigger achievement than anything Ferrer did this year, despite an injury filled season.

Federer in 2 10-31-2012 07:32 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
Lenders always gonna Lenders :shrug:

Say Hey Kid 10-31-2012 07:32 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
It's hard to make an argument for Del Potro being better (right now) than Ferrer. Considering their last 3 matches were won by Ferrer, each on a different surface. All matches were played in the last 12 months.

In addition, Del Potro didn't do better than Ferrer in a single slam this year.

Does Del Potro have more potential than Ferrer? Absolutely. That said, statistics just don't back up the argument that Del Potro should be ranked higher than Ferrer.

Lestat 10-31-2012 07:33 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
loool at least delpo doesnt lose to Garcia Lopez and that kind of tier from time to time :haha:

Delpo will regain in 2013 what injures robbed him in 2010.
2013 will be definitely Delpo's year and all these murraytards are scared of that, thats why you open this kind of thread :haha:

out_grinder 10-31-2012 08:39 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
Nice Lenders troll thread

August 10-31-2012 08:45 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
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I think healthy DelPo is more likely winner than healthy Ferrer in their matches. Lets take a look at their matches:



I don't what happened in their first match in AO'08, DelPo retired there. '08 's-Hertogenbosh SF was thus their first match which was finished. Ferrer won. And I'd say that happened because Ferrer is better on grass. But then their next two matches showed DelPo-in-form can beat Ferrer, especially on hardcourts. But then DelPo injured, and hasn't been at his best, still he was able to fight until the fifth set in DC final, played on Ferru's best surface, clay. And maybe this year's Miami match was also too early for DelPo, he hadn't found his best level. And their last meeting was at SW19, and Ferrer won again, and I think that happened because he's a better grass court player. So, I'd say their corrected H2H would be 2-2, DelPo: Tokyo & Miami '09, Ferru: 's-Hert. & Wimby.

So, I think those 2008 Tokyo and 2009 Miami wins prove peak DelPo is better than Ferrer. But I'd say that there are surfaces where Ferrer is better. DelPo hasn't been too impressive on grass, and I think that may be because of his height and low bounce of grass. I remember reading somewhere Olympic tennis had shorter grass, that made the court faster and higher-bouncing, that may be the reason why he played so well on Olympic grass. And while height is problem when hitting to low bounce, Ferrer definitely doesn't have that problem, and that's why Ferrer is a better grass player than DelPo. Clay and slow HCs are another surfaces where Ferrer has a good chance against DelPo, even if DelPo is a good clay courter, clay and slow HCs enable Ferrer to win matches by grinding. Still, peak DelPo should have an advantage over Ferru on slow surfaces. But fast HCs are where DelPo is just too good against Ferrer. Fast HCs reward offensive playing, and unlike on grass, the bounce is enough high fro DelPo.

So, if we have peak DelPo playing peak Ferrer, then I'd say DelPo is absolute favourite on fast HCs, and favourite also on slow HCs and clay, even if Ferru has a chance there. But grass in another case, DelPo must improve his grass play or otherwise Ferru routines him on grass.

Edit: and to the poll's question, if Ferru beats DelPo twice in a row on fast HCs, and DelPo doesn't have injury problems and hasn't beaten Ferru on other surfaces, then I'll say Ferru owns DelPo.

Tag 10-31-2012 08:49 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
ferrer has had a better year

del potro has had a better career

the gulf will only widen between them

Lestat 10-31-2012 08:49 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 12521184)
I think healthy DelPo is more likely winner than healthy Ferrer in their matches. Lets take a look at their matches:



I don't what happened in their first match in AO'08, DelPo retired there. '08 's-Hertogenbosh SF was thus their first match which was finished. Ferrer won. And I'd say that happened because Ferrer is better on grass. But then their next two matches showed DelPo-in-form can beat Ferrer, especially on hardcourts. But then DelPo injured, and hasn't been at his best, still he was able to fight until the fifth set in DC final, played on Ferru's best surface, clay. And maybe this year's Miami match was also too early for DelPo, he hadn't found his best level. And their last meeting was at SW19, and Ferrer won again, and I think that happened because he's a better grass court player. So, I'd say their corrected H2H would be 2-2, DelPo: Tokyo & Miami '09, Ferru: 's-Hert. & Wimby.

So, I think those 2008 Tokyo and 2009 Miami wins prove peak DelPo is better than Ferrer. But I'd say that there are surfaces where Ferrer is better. DelPo hasn't been too impressive on grass, and I think that may be because of his height and low bounce of grass. I remember reading somewhere Olympic tennis had shorter grass, that made the court faster and higher-bouncing, that may be the reason why he played so well on Olympic grass. And while height is problem when hitting to low bounce, Ferrer definitely doesn't have that problem, and that's why Ferrer is a better grass player than DelPo. Clay and slow HCs are another surfaces where Ferrer has a good chance against DelPo, even if DelPo is a good clay courter, clay and slow HCs enable Ferrer to win matches by grinding. Still, peak DelPo should have an advantage over Ferru on slow surfaces. But fast HCs are where DelPo is just too good against Ferrer. Fast HCs reward offensive playing, and unlike on grass, the bounce is enough high fro DelPo.

So, if we have peak DelPo playing peak Ferrer, then I'd say DelPo is absolute favourite on fast HCs, and favourite also on slow HCs and clay, even if Ferru has a chance there. But grass in another case, DelPo must improve his grass play or otherwise Ferru routines him on grass.

The real Delpo belongs to 2009 and just look how he got ride of Ferrer so easily. We will see that level again in 2013 definitely, Ferrer is not a big deal for Delpo.

End da Game 10-31-2012 08:55 PM

Re: Del Potro vs. Ferrer
 
wimbledon was a fluke, I am certain del potro will blow this pusher off the court


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