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masterclass 08-06-2012 07:42 PM

A new way of moderation
 
Most posters who enjoy pure tennis discussion are very put off by the numerous posters who seem to take pleasure in negative commenting, whether it is player hate, poster hate, insults, baiting, trolling, wishing injury or death, personal attacts, discriminatory remarks, etc.

It is so pervasive, that people like myself have considered not returning to this site. Of course it is an option, but there are many people whom with we enjoy discussions, so it seems a shame to be deterred by the bad apples. And I for one refuse to be forced out by such. One should be able to have discussion where one can agree or disagree without the garbage.

So here is my suggestion, some of which may have been suggested before, but maybe not in quite this way.

Since it seems as if some posters need an outlet to be negative, have a "hell" sub-forum for hate, insults, trolling, baiting, attacks, etc. where almost anything goes (except something illegal*). Any and every post or thread made elsewhere that has content that breaks the rules gets moved to that forum. A poster gets one warning if posting inappropriate posts or threads elsewhere than the "hell" sub-forum. After that, the poster gets banned from everywhere except "hell" (if that can be done via the software) for 1 month each and every time they post inappropriate posts/threads elsewhere. That's it. I think 1 month is severe enough for a person to think about what they do next time, but not so severe that a person who made a mistake will be gone for long. I think very soon posters will learn where they can post garbage without a problem.

* illegal posts get deleted and the poster faces whatever ban is deemed appropriate. I would start it at min. 1 yr. or more.

No permanent bans for legal but obnoxious posts, no complicated counting, no distinction on the violation type except whether it is illegal or not. The only decision to be made by moderators/admins is whether a post anyplace other than the "hell" forum broke the rules or not. If it did, then they just move it to "hell" and apply the 1 time warning or 1 month ban. I think over time, there will be less and less need to moderate in GM and elsewhere as people realize where they can hate freely, and sensible posters everywhere else can enjoy positive discussion.

Respectfully,
masterclass

The Prince 08-06-2012 08:58 PM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
These trolls want their posts to be read though, and if there was a 'hell' sub forum, nobody would read them, so they wouldn't do it. They'd continue to troll the main parts of the site.

samanosuke 08-06-2012 10:16 PM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
I think mods should bring Clay Death back to show us how to make peaceful on topic posts

tripwires 08-07-2012 12:55 AM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
Just put the trolls on ignore. Problem solved.

Sunset of Age 08-07-2012 01:00 AM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tripwires (Post 12302810)
Just put the trolls on ignore. Problem solved.

This - and/or grow a thick skin and finally learn to laugh about the ridiculous rubbish being posted all the time on MTF.
From personal experience I know it's not easy, but sometime one should be able to manage. :) :wavey:

Mimi 08-07-2012 01:16 AM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
very good suggestion, masterclass :)

Punky 08-07-2012 03:29 AM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bulldog (Post 12302381)
These trolls want their posts to be read though, and if there was a 'hell' sub forum, nobody would read them, so they wouldn't do it. They'd continue to troll the main parts of the site.

sadly he is right.
they like the center stage and wont give up on it, they want to troll when everyone are reading

Mae 08-07-2012 04:22 AM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
I think this idea had already been brought up in the past. But what I can't understand is why some posters seem to not want to use "ignore". It is a great function to have, but no they would rather get in fights and get people banned :sad:

HKz 08-07-2012 02:48 PM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
Seriously? You want all this to transpire when one could easily just ignore those posters by literally using the ignore feature?

If you care -> ignore
If you don't -> don't ignore

Not sure how much more simple this could be.

masterclass 08-07-2012 03:15 PM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
I think the ignore function is wrong in many ways.
It doesn't solve the problem.
Why should I have to do anything? I'm not at fault or in the wrong.
The people that are at fault are the ones breaking the rules.
Their rule-breaking posts shouldn't exist, or should be in some cesspool forum.
"Ignore" is an easy way out, that is too broad-brushed.
If 20% of their posts are rule-breaking, maybe 80% are not.
Those 20% shouldn't be in my way or in my sight, but maybe some of the other 80% are worth reading. Some of the people that occasionally break the rules can also be humorous.
Furthermore, a quoted post by an ignored user still appears from what I understand.

The ignore solves almost nothing, except burying one's head in the sand.
I simply don't think it's worth much of anything.
The problem needs to be solved, not ignored.

Respectfully,
masterclass

HKz 08-07-2012 03:51 PM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by masterclass (Post 12303779)
I think the ignore function is wrong in many ways.
It doesn't solve the problem.
Why should I have to do anything? I'm not at fault or in the wrong.
The people that are at fault are the ones breaking the rules.
Their rule-breaking posts shouldn't exist, or should be in some cesspool forum.
"Ignore" is an easy way out, that is too broad-brushed.
If 20% of their posts are rule-breaking, maybe 80% are not.
Those 20% shouldn't be in my way or in my sight, but maybe some of the other 80% are worth reading. Some of the people that occasionally break the rules can also be humorous.
Furthermore, a quoted post by an ignored user still appears from what I understand.

The ignore solves almost nothing, except burying one's head in the sand.
I simply don't think it's worth much of anything.
The problem needs to be solved, not ignored.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Oh gosh, high class citizen right here.. Hey, have you ever experienced this thing called "life"? Because seriously, you can't escape people you consider assholes or those that say stuff you don't want to hear, yet you think MTF is supposed to be different from "life"..? I also find your post to be quite ironic, considering your stance with Clay Girl. You want his ban to be rescinded, yet you just said that rule-breaking posts shouldn't exist, but I wonder how he got permabanned.

Fact is, your idea is utterly ridiculous. What makes you think creating a subforum to allow users to "vent their trollation" would cause trolls, retards, etc to vanish from GM? I mean seriously, are you that oblivious? There is no way to "solve" this, you can only ignore people/posts you dislike (there will always be new posters to "piss you off" mind you) or just let it be. Clearly the mods do their job by issuing out infractions, temp bans and bans to posters who actually deserve them. If these "bad posters" aren't getting them (which frankly you can't even tell if they are getting warnings/infractions to begin with so don't assume shit) then they are either lucky or their posts actually aren't that bad and you are just overreacting for no reason. Seriously, this is a waste of time and extremely foolish to think otherwise.

Mae 08-08-2012 06:05 AM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by masterclass (Post 12303779)
I think the ignore function is wrong in many ways.
It doesn't solve the problem.
Why should I have to do anything? I'm not at fault or in the wrong.
The people that are at fault are the ones breaking the rules.
Their rule-breaking posts shouldn't exist, or should be in some cesspool forum.
"Ignore" is an easy way out, that is too broad-brushed.
If 20% of their posts are rule-breaking, maybe 80% are not.
Those 20% shouldn't be in my way or in my sight, but maybe some of the other 80% are worth reading. Some of the people that occasionally break the rules can also be humorous.
Furthermore, a quoted post by an ignored user still appears from what I understand.

The ignore solves almost nothing, except burying one's head in the sand.
I simply don't think it's worth much of anything.
The problem needs to be solved, not ignored.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Sorry masterclass you know I have only the greatest respect for you, but if the ignore function is "burying one's head in the sand" I would rather do that than become involved in fights, etc. And since there are only two posters on my ignore list I don't think my head is buried too deeply in the sand as to not know what is going on at MTF. And actually you don't even have to put a poster on your ignore list you can just ignore them!

Kat_YYZ 08-08-2012 05:12 PM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bulldog (Post 12302381)
These trolls want their posts to be read though, and if there was a 'hell' sub forum, nobody would read them, so they wouldn't do it. They'd continue to troll the main parts of the site.

That's true. The recently re-opened "roasting threads" divert less than 10 per cent of the nasty gloating from the match threads. :shrug:

BigJohn 08-08-2012 06:53 PM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kat_YYZ (Post 12306713)
That's true. The recently re-opened "roasting threads" divert less than 10 per cent of the nasty gloating from the match threads. :shrug:

The damage was already done. It was a stupid decision to start with to give-in to terrorism and lock them for so long.

Mae 08-08-2012 11:06 PM

Re: A new way of moderation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kat_YYZ (Post 12306713)
That's true. The recently re-opened "roasting threads" divert less than 10 per cent of the nasty gloating from the match threads. :shrug:

Why would "roasting threads" be reopened? I thought once a thread was closed it was closed! So you think it was done to divert nasty gloating from the match threads? That won't help anything IMHO.


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