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tommyg6 07-09-2012 07:29 PM

Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
You know what I'm talking about, guys like Ferrer, delPo, Lu, Chardy, Felo, who go around the tour playing in events where the field is extremely weak and basically a shoe-in for free points and a title. And the worst is that these guys do it all year round.

Good examples this year,
-This week, Feliciano Lopez, ranked 17 is playing a Challenger in Colombia, lol. Point whore. He's top 20 player playing in a challenger with only a handful of top 100 players lol and the rest are mugs.

-Ferrer plays in MM events like Auckland, Buenos Aires, Acapulco and so on. What a vulture. He's too good for those events.

-Lu, a top 100 player, is the worst. He's like a top 70 player and only plays challengers throughout the year and outclasses everyone to get easy points. His yearly schedule consists of Slams+Masters Series and challengers lol.

Doully 07-09-2012 07:33 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
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Originally Posted by tommyg6 (Post 12203308)
You know what I'm talking about, guys like Ferrer, delPo, Lu, Felo, who go around the tour playing in events where the field is extremely weak and basically a shoe-in for free points and a title. And the worst is that these guys do it all year round.

First name that sprang to my mind too. Auckland, Buenos Aires, Acapulco and 's-Hertogenbosch alone this year. :spit:

That being said, QF - SF - QF at the slams on top of these results more than cements his place in the top 10.

156mphserve 07-09-2012 07:39 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
Raonic, plays the likes of Chennai, San Jose, Memphis, Newport to get MM points and then can't do anything is slams. Only 225 of he points comes from slams, points whore:o

Mark Lenders 07-09-2012 07:40 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
Ferrer and Monaco

Litotes 07-09-2012 07:40 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
I think it is a good thing that some of the better names participate in these tournaments. Tennis is not just about the slams. I am sure some Colombians will have enjoyed seeing an accomplished player like Lopez, and several South Americans will have enjoyed seeing an established top player like Ferrer.

Freak3yman84 07-09-2012 07:43 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
Verdasco ranked 16th played a challenger in Prostejov and lost to a guy ranked # 1166 or something around there :haha: I guess that is a failed attempt at point vulturing.

GSMnadal 07-09-2012 07:45 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
Federer.



*Ducks* :scared:

Vinceremo 07-09-2012 07:48 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
Lorenzi, Falla and Lu for sure. Muller comes to mind too. I wouldn't include Lopez and Verdasco since they do that rarely, though Feli is playing Bogota again and that's facepalm worthy of course :p

Ito, Soeda and Klizan have their current rankings mainly due to Challenger success but let's wait and see how they handle themselves from now on.

nellis_lv 07-09-2012 07:54 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
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Originally Posted by 156mphserve (Post 12203339)
Raonic, plays the likes of Chennai, San Jose, Memphis, Newport to get MM points and then can't do anything is slams. Only 225 of he points comes from slams, points whore:o

I foresee Milos following Janko's trajectory from last year.

Getting a bunch of 250s one year then doing better and getting more favorable draws at Masters and GS the following year.

Too bad he doesn't have a fellow #1 countryman to tank WTF and Madrid for him, though ..

delpiero7 07-09-2012 08:03 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
I don't understand the whole concept of vulturing. Ferrer seems to be the first name that springs to peoples' minds when discussing this topic. However anyone with a shred of common sense would see its obvious why Ferrer plays the 250s and 500s he chooses to.

Pre Aussie Open, Auckland and Chennai generally have the weakest fields out of the 5 events, yet they all offer the same amount of points. Prize money is only significantly higher in Doha, but that event typically attracts Federer, Nadal, Murray and Tsonga who would all be a massive threat to Ferrer on hardcourt. Why increase the risk of going out in a QF when your chances of winning a title (and same number of rankings points) is increased by taking part in another event?

Same applies to Ferrer playing in South America rather than Europe/Asia post Aussie Open. Fields in Rotterdam and Dubai are generally stacked, plus they are also on hardcourts, not clay where Ferrer feels most comfortable.

Queen's & Halle are also stacked WRT to draw, whereas Rosmalen is relatively much weaker, yet offers the same number of ranking points.

Also, if none of the top players played these weaker field events, they may aswell stick the events on the Challenger tour and only hold one tourney a week on the ATP tour.

Mark Lenders 07-09-2012 08:10 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
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Originally Posted by delpiero7 (Post 12203426)
I don't understand the whole concept of vulturing. Ferrer seems to be the first name that springs to peoples' minds when discussing this topic. However anyone with a shred of common sense would see its obvious why Ferrer plays the 250s and 500s he chooses to.

Pre Aussie Open, Auckland and Chennai generally have the weakest fields out of the 5 events, yet they all offer the same amount of points. Prize money is only significantly higher in Doha, but that event typically attracts Federer, Nadal, Murray and Tsonga who would all be a massive threat to Ferrer on hardcourt. Why increase the risk of going out in a QF when your chances of winning a title (and same number of rankings points) is increased by taking part in another event?

Same applies to Ferrer playing in South America rather than Europe/Asia post Aussie Open. Fields in Rotterdam and Dubai are generally stacked, plus they are also on hardcourts, not clay where Ferrer feels most comfortable.

Queen's & Halle are also stacked WRT to draw, whereas Rosmalen is relatively much weaker, yet offers the same number of ranking points.

Also, if none of the top players played these weaker field events, they may aswell stick the events on the Challenger tour and only hold one tourney a week on the ATP tour.

Bingo. That's exactly why Ferrer is a vulture, because he enters tournaments with weak fields, often in the same week where top players are battling it out ie. 8 of the top 10 players went to Dubai (Nadal didn't play that week) and Ferrer to Acapulco to prey on a week field.

It is a smart choice ranking point wise, but one that only a point vulture would make.

156mphserve 07-09-2012 08:10 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
Donald Young is the opposite of a points whore. He plays all ATP events where it's basically impossible for him to win points

156mphserve 07-09-2012 08:11 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Lenders (Post 12203447)
Bingo. That's exactly why Ferrer is a vulture, because he enters tournaments with weak fields, often in the same week where top players are battling it out ie. 8 of the top 10 players went to Dubai (Nadal didn't play that week) and Ferrer to Acapulco to prey on a week field.

It is a smart choice ranking point wise, but one that only a point vulture would make.

exactly, it's a smart choice, ergo being a points vulture is not a bad thing at all, it's a good thing

delpiero7 07-09-2012 08:18 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Lenders (Post 12203447)
Bingo. That's exactly why Ferrer is a vulture, because he enters tournaments with weak fields, often in the same week where top players are battling it out ie. 8 of the top 10 players went to Dubai (Nadal didn't play that week) and Ferrer to Acapulco to prey on a week field.

It is a smart choice ranking point wise, but one that only a point vulture would make.

Ferrer went to Acapulco because he much prefers playing on clay over hardcourts. If Dubai were on clay and attracted the same players and had same prize money as now, it would be strange to see Ferrer opt to play in South America instead.

But if we go by your theory Ferrer is pretty much the only vulture on tour, as he's the only one who consistently takes advantage of the weaker draws offered in tournaments. Other wannabe vultures think they're being smart but tend to come unstuck.

Mark Lenders 07-09-2012 08:21 PM

Re: Name me some top 100 players who are notorious point vultures
 
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Originally Posted by delpiero7 (Post 12203476)
Ferrer went to Acapulco because he much prefers playing on clay over hardcourts. If Dubai were on clay and attracted the same players and had same prize money as now, it would be strange to see Ferrer opt to play in South America instead.

But if we go by your theory Ferrer is pretty much the only vulture on tour, as he's the only one who consistently takes advantage of the weaker draws offered in tournaments. Other wannabe vultures think they're being smart but tend to come unstuck.

He's not the only vulture, he's the most notable one because he usually doesn't fail to beat low ranked players to win tournaments, hence his ranking.

Monaco is another good example of a player who has built his ranking up by vulturing small tournaments.


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