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masterclass 07-01-2012 10:15 AM

Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles & 16 majors, #46 comes where?
 
The Clay Warrior, Rafael Nadal, Spain's Raging Bull, currently has 45 titles on clay, will he get to 50 before he retires? What about 16 majors?
That's only 5 clay titles more. At 3-4 clay titles/year it would take him just 2 years. He took 6 last year as he added the Golden Swing to his schedule and swept Barcelona to Roland Garros.

And he now has 14 majors to tie him with the great Pete Sampras. If he can win at Roland Garros alone from now through 2016, he'll get his 16 majors with a total of 11 at RG. Doable?

In the race to the Open Era's King of Clay Titles he is currently 2nd.
King of Clay Titles:
1. 46 - Guillermo Vilas (ARG) - Bull of the Pampas
2. 45 - Rafael Nadal (ESP) - Spain's Raging Bull
3. 40 - Thomas Muster (AUS) - The Iron Man
4. 30 - Bjorn Borg (SWE) - Ice Man
4. 30 - Manuel Orantes (ESP) - Manolito
Some factors to consider in whether he will be able to win 50 Clay Titles and 16 majors:

1. How long will Rafa have enough passion or motivation to to keep playing much longer after winning so many Roland Garros titles, and what will happen if and when he loses there at this point in his career; will it signal the end?
2. Could health issues (ex. knees, back) force him to retire early?
3. Will some other Clay court adept start taking titles from him more regularly?
4. Will he start playing lesser clay events as his performance/ranking declines more (South America, etc), which could increase his chances of getting more titles?

There are probably more factors which you will uncover as this is discussed.

Let's use this thread to keep track and discuss his chances as he hunts for more titles.
Please try to keep this discussion hate-free and reasonable, or mods will take action.

Respectfully,
masterclass

samanosuke 07-01-2012 10:19 AM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
regarding the fact he didn't win a non clay court title for almost a two year this is the only thing which he could hope for

EddieNero 07-01-2012 10:21 AM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
It's possible If most of the hc season gets switched to clay. He needs to avoid the likes of Rosol though.

Allez 07-01-2012 10:41 AM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 100 Clay Titles
 
Only 50 ? You do the guy a great disservice. People are always underestimating Rafa and he's always proving them wrong. 50 titles in NID.

Sonja1989 07-01-2012 10:45 AM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
Don't know. Would be easy if he decides to play in tournaments like Hamburg or Acapulco but I don't think he plans it.

Allez 07-01-2012 10:49 AM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
MC-Barcelona-Rome-RG X 4 = 16.

ServeVolley 07-01-2012 10:55 AM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Allez (Post 12165485)
MC-Barcelona-Rome-RG X 4 = 16.

Keep dreaming. No way is he winning all of those every season for the next four years. :facepalm:

Chase Visa 07-01-2012 11:28 AM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
It's gonna be tricky if he starts to fall apart, but it'll look good if he decides to add smaller clay tournaments to his repertoire.

BroTree123 07-01-2012 12:19 PM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
Time will tell. I'm not too worried at this stage.

Allez 07-01-2012 12:21 PM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ServeVolley (Post 12165493)
Keep dreaming. No way is he winning all of those every season for the next four years. :facepalm:

Way back when haterz said he would not be winning Grandslams at 26....

LeChuck 07-01-2012 12:25 PM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
From that list, it seems crazy that Orantes won 30 clay court titles, including 1 at Monte-Carlo, 1 at Rome, 2 at Hamburg and 3 at Barcelona, but none at RG. Surely he is the best player by far, of the open era at least, never to have won the RG title.

I know he won the 1975 US Open on green clay though. He saved 5 match points against Vilas in his SF (Vilas was two sets to one up and was leading 5-0 *40-0 in the 4th set) and straight setted the best player in the world Connors in the final.

masterclass 07-01-2012 01:20 PM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LeChuck (Post 12165636)
From that list, it seems crazy that Orantes won 30 clay court titles, including 1 at Monte-Carlo, 1 at Rome, 2 at Hamburg and 3 at Barcelona, but none at RG. Surely he is the best player by far, of the open era at least, never to have won the RG title.

I know he won the 1975 US Open on green clay though. He saved 5 match points against Vilas in his SF (Vilas was two sets to one up and was leading 5-0 *40-0 in the 4th set) and straight setted the best player in the world Connors in the final.

Yes, good observation LeChuck.
Probably lefty Manolito's best chance at Roland Garros came in the 1974 final, where he was more of a familiar face at the time than the 1st time winner, 18 year old Bjorn Borg. After Orantes was up 2 sets to love, he lost it - 6-2, 7-6, 0-6, 1-6, 1-6. Borg turned it around almost as completely as one can. Here is an old clip I found of the 2nd set tiebreaker in that match:



Respectfully,
masterclass

romismak 07-01-2012 02:09 PM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
He is alredy King of clay, best ever on clay, doesnīt matter how many clay titles he will have at the end of his career. I mean he can have 10 per year easily with going to South America and make Almagro sad at the beginning of the year and win those 250s + Acapulco... Musterīs record is good, but comparing to Rafa it is joke, i mean Muser had like million what currently would be 250s and just 1 RG and he was king of clay of 90s.... Raf on other hand from his clay titles has 7 RG, 8 MC, 6 Rome and 2Hamburg/Madrid - 4 biggest events on clay and Rafa has so many of them.. if i include Barcelona which is arguably most prestigious 500 clay event historically - Hamburg was Masters,, so if i include Barcelonas than his numbers from 5 biggest clay events are fantastic and even if somebody like Muster had 200 clay titles from those ,,250,, of his era... it is nothing comparing to Rafaīs clay titles from biggest events.

sexybeast 07-01-2012 02:46 PM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
Nadal could have won 100 clay titles if he played all those claycourt tournaments Muster and Vilas played every year. Like 10-15 clay tournaments every year, many of them without facing a top 50 player.

Roger the Dodger 07-01-2012 03:02 PM

Re: Rafael Nadal: Clay Warrior's Hunt for 50 Clay Titles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sexybeast (Post 12165897)
Nadal could have won 100 clay titles if he played all those claycourt tournaments Muster and Vilas played every year. Like 10-15 clay tournaments every year, many of them without facing a top 50 player.

True. Credit to Rafa to aspire to become an all-surface moonballer.


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