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Sri 05-02-2012 12:33 AM

Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
I admit they have got a very good propaganda machine around the world. Everybody likes to be labeled a "progressive". They've hijacked such a good and positive word. :-/

Anyway, as a person matures, all the socialist bullsh|t should become self evident. I find it hard to respect the intelligence of anybody over 30 who leans to the left.

But then I don't care too much about politics and would share a beer with them anyway.

I just want the word "progressive" back without any political affiliations.

:wavey:

Topspindoctor 05-02-2012 12:42 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
Socialism is half a step away from communism.

Personally, I don't care too much for politics, because I know for sure that in today's world the little guy's voice doesn't matter and crooks will always fight even bigger crooks for power. This is evident everywhere in the world, even Australian government is 100% corrupt these days.

orangehat 05-02-2012 12:45 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
:facepalm:

A socialist would not want to be called a "progressive" in the sense of the word. They find that too tame.

Sri 05-02-2012 12:49 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 


OTOH, Batman rules!

Batman > Socialism

Sri 05-02-2012 12:51 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
Here's proof:


Filo V. 05-02-2012 01:16 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
People who make threads like this are not progressive, therefore are not identified as progressive.

abraxas21 05-02-2012 02:20 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
when i was studying business administration and economics, i leaned heavily towards many libertarian principles. then over the years i fortunately learned to see thru all the bullshit and realize that the world is a lot more complex than many ideological ideas disguised as rational conclusions of a technical analysis.

Sri 05-02-2012 03:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Filo V. (Post 11948634)
People who make threads like this are not progressive, therefore are not identified as progressive.

I'm the epitome of a progressive human being - compassionate, peaceful, and saving people from false ideologies and prophets. :-)

Sri 05-02-2012 03:09 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxas21 (Post 11948670)
when i was studying business administration and economics, i leaned heavily towards many libertarian principles. then over the years i fortunately learned to see thru all the bullshit and realize that the world is a lot more complex than many ideological ideas disguised as rational conclusions of a technical analysis.

Absolutely, no ideology is perfect for all situations. Common sense, compassion and truly empowering individuals to control their own fate is a way forward.

PS: I am reclaiming the word "progress" from the lefty loonies. Is there any word / phrase that the far right has taken over? I will need to campaign for that as well!

abraxas21 05-02-2012 04:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sri (Post 11948707)
Absolutely, no ideology is perfect for all situations.

that's not what i was saying or what i stand for, though.

for what is worth, all political projects have ideologies underlying them. i don't think that's bad at all. quite the opposite, it's just natural and necessary to represent a position for the citizenship to adhere, ignore or reject.

what i do have an issue with is with the ones who try to present their thoughts or themselves as critically rational when in point of fact there are certainly influenced by defined ideologies. in that regard, it's evident that a lot of economists can be grouped in that category.

abraxas21 05-02-2012 04:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sri (Post 11948707)
PS: I am reclaiming the word "progress" from the lefty loonies. Is there any word / phrase that the far right has taken over? I will need to campaign for that as well!

i don't think the left has the monopoly of terms like "progress" or "progressive" but they do (or at least should) stand for those ideals given the nature of the principles they typically represent. lefties naturally campaign for changing things and to that extent one can call them "progressive" (which they are called like that, as you rightly claimed). conversely, righties campaign to keep things as they are or even to go back to old policies and to that extent one can call them "conservative" (which, again, they are).

as for words that the far right has taken over (or maybe tried to take over?), one can think of, especially in the USA, it seems, "freedom" and "liberty". the very notion of free market implies this association...

Sri 05-02-2012 04:53 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
Depends where you are. In India, we've been socialist for so long, the right represents reforms and change.

But the lefties still hold on to the "progressive" title. ;-)

scoobs 05-02-2012 05:04 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
Socialism is just a word, a word that doesn't matter.

What matters is what a country actually does - and I doubt what India actually does could be considered "socialism" - seems to be to be a thorough-going embrace of right wing neo-liberal capitalism, no more socialist than China is still implementing Communist ideology, or North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic. If you think the right represents reform and change, then good luck to you. I suspect you'd find they're mostly cosmetic at this point.

Sri 05-02-2012 05:13 AM

Re: Socialism sucks....seriously.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobs (Post 11948755)
Socialism is just a word, a word that doesn't matter.

What matters is what a country actually does - and I doubt what India actually does could be considered "socialism" - seems to be to be a thorough-going embrace of right wing neo-liberal capitalism, no more socialist than China is still implementing Communist ideology, or North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic. If you think the right represents reform and change, then good luck to you. I suspect you'd find they're mostly cosmetic at this point.

There you go, you have a pro left tilt so you accuse me of having a pro right tilt. :-(

Here are some facts about India:

1. Socialism is in the constitution

2. All govt's since independence have been populist

3. Some reforms came in the early 90's and very few in the early naught'ies

4. Since 2004 we have got an even more socialist / populist govt at various states and the center

The right does try and push for "reform" (mostly economic). It always fails.

The right in India is pretty stupid and low in caliber.

The left holds on to power and loots the country.

Both the right and left pretend to be the cause of whatever development that has happened in the past two decades.

abraxas21 05-02-2012 05:38 AM

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i don't know much at all about indian politics but here's a pretty interesting article about the search for economic development of india's educated youth.

Quote:

All Aboard The Slave Ship

An open letter to Young India, callous and comfy in its cocoon

Dear Citizen of Youngistan,

Hi!

You are the talk of the town these days, so, you know, I wanted to talk to you.

You are a student. You seek to be highly educated, but you turn a blind eye to the academic terrorism that routinely cripples and kills poor students in universities. You never acknowledge the privilege of exclusivity. You strut about with the confidence that you will never slip below the poverty line. You never know the pain of exclusion. You would have never lost your home in a slum demolition drive.

On the other hand, you know, with self-assured grace you make up India’s fanciful, much-advertised youngistan edge. You flaunt the fact that you are one of the 120 million youth that your country will add to its workforce over the next decade. You forget that this workforce, devoid of any working class consciousness, shall only serve to launch the latest edition of slave trade. Welcome aboard, dude! The Slave Ship is waiting for you. If and when India’s economy goes into freefall mode, you will be the first to flounder. Just remember that.

You also like to imagine yourself as a sexually restless youngster. Sadly, diktats and death threats make you seek shelter in matrimonial websites with drop-down menus listing 450 sub-castes. You blame this casteism on parental pressure. In your hallowed opinion, caste should be annihilated. You say that this is possible only by discontinuing affirmative action policies for adivasis and Dalits. You have anecdotal evidence to prove that reservation equals ruin.

You also think that India’s biggest problem is a boatload of terrorists from Pakistan. You have not heard of Khairlanji or Gadchiroli or Koodankulam; they are multi-syllable names of places that have never managed to sneak into your sublime conversations. Ultra-ambitious, you only enter lands that require your passport, your visa and your commercialised skill-sets. You are India’s shining, swaggering export. You have sold your soul for a song. You have sold your song for a sophisticated accent. You have sold your sophisticated accent for a sanitised silence.

Most of the time, you do not even speak your mother tongue. You only learn the languages that pay: C++, Java, Python, English. In spite of your mastery over two-and-a-half languages, you choose to remain voiceless. Abjuring violence in the way of old souls, you renounce every aggressive drive to assert yourself.

Maybe you earnestly believe in the development panacea. Maybe you are bamboozled by its seductive, saleable divinity. You don’t realise that government-style development is a devil that walks backwards, drinks blood, feeds on corpses and fattens on millions of tonnes of bauxite and iron. It goes by multiple aliases: Essar, Vedanta, Posco. Like its cross-cousin democracy, development is widely believed to be a rumour to keep rural masses in a hysteric state.

And perhaps, like your home minister, you take pride in being a patriot, unaware of the atrocities of your army in Kashmir and the Northeast and Sri Lanka and Bangladesh and far-flung African countries. You are blase about how your tax money ends up being used for mindless militarisation projects. Since “our republic cannot bear the stain of killing her own children” (as the Supreme Court observed in the fake encounter case of Maoist spokesperson Azad), the state has efficiently come up with an arrangement of convenience in which the children pay for each other’s bullets. The republic remains stainless and squeaky clean. You end up with blood on your hands. Perhaps you sponsored the bullets that killed seven Dalits in a police firing at Paramakudi last month.

Unrest simmers all over society, but as you are extremely busy hanging out in some shopping mall, you have no time to tell your government to behave. How can you talk to power when you do not teach yourself the truth? You do not know who or where the dam-displaced are. You have never shed tears for the victims of Operation Green Hunt. You do not bother to know that hundreds of Tamil fishermen from your country were shot dead by the Sri Lanka navy even as the Indian coast guard roamed the seas. You know next to nothing about India’s flawed foreign policy, not even the fact that your government supplied arms and strategic advice as it actively colluded in the genocide of one hundred thousand Tamils in Sri Lanka in May 2009. You buy the lie that everyone who died in Mullivaikkal was a Tiger and a terrorist. Why, even the discovery of more than two thousand bullet-ridden bodies of Kashmiri youth in mass graves does not drive you to despair.

Would you care to understand the pressing need for plebiscite in Kashmir, or the separate statehood for Tamils in Eelam? You have no sympathy for states that seek to break away. You are taught to think that Telangana spells trouble. In your limited worldview, secession is a swear word, self-determination is suicide...
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278704


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