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oomph 10-10-2011 11:48 PM

Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Yeah, obviously he is a better player, but players worse than Roddick have a better head to head with Federer than him.

What is it?

shiaben 10-10-2011 11:50 PM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
For the most part he was.

But oomph, look at it this way.

During Wimbledon 09, for the first time in his career, Roddick's backhand down the line clicked. 80% of the times on hardcourt and other surfaces, he would hit the net, and would never get those easy put aways. But during Wimbledon, when he fixed that, it did some severe damage to Federer on the rallies. Not to mention, Roddick out rallied Federer in that Wimbledon 09 when he fixed his backhand consistency as well.

The major problem outside of that though, was Roddick's inability to return Federer's serve. For this reason, given that Roddick is among the worst returners, he never had hope to begin with against Federer.

MaxPower 10-11-2011 12:07 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Yes normally Federers serve was (is) more effective vs Roddick than Roddicks serve is against Federer. That kinda trumphed his biggest weapon. Add to that he had better movement and was superior in pretty much every aspect of the game. He could take the ball early and put Roddick under pressure right away or just wait him out or do whatever he liked.

I think Roddick has always been better when he could play on his own terms and he used to have a pretty big forehand actually. Federer never really let him play the matchup on his own terms though and no matter what Roddick tried he had a better answer.

Topspindoctor 10-11-2011 12:34 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Because Fedclown is superior to Duck in every respect - even serve in that particular match up:

Serve - Federer wins here because Duck sucks at returning and Fed returns Duck's serve unusually well, mainly because it's all pace and shit disguise.
Forehand - LOL
Backhand - both are backhand clowns, but the geezer has more variety+better slice
movement/defense - obvious
mental - Olderer by virtue of winning so matches, so he doesn't expect to lose to Rodmug at any time

oomph 10-11-2011 12:37 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspindoctor (Post 11419893)
Because Fedclown is superior to Duck in every respect - even serve in that particular match up:

Serve - Federer wins here because Duck sucks at returning and Fed returns Duck's serve unusually well, mainly because it's all pace and shit disguise.
Forehand - LOL
Backhand - both are backhand clowns, but the geezer has more variety+better slice
movement/defense - obvious
mental - Olderer by virtue of winning so matches, so he doesn't expect to lose to Rodmug at any time

What did I say? HE'S SIMPLY BETTER doesn't cut it as there are worse players than Roddick that didn't get Roflstomped every opportunity

Mechlan 10-11-2011 12:48 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Mainly because Federer was by far the best at blocking back big serves in their primes. Roddick likes to use his big serve to stay ahead and be able to put enough balls in play on his opponent's serve to get wins. Against Federer, he can't do either. Federer takes the initiative early and wins most of the rallies and Roddick doesn't have nearly as many easy serve games as he likes to feel comfortable in this match up. And defeat and defeat starts to wear on you after a while, even for a fighter like Roddick.

Orka_n 10-11-2011 12:55 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechlan (Post 11419920)
Mainly because Federer was by far the best at blocking back big serves in their primes. Roddick likes to use his big serve to stay ahead and be able to put enough balls in play on his opponent's serve to get wins. Against Federer, he can't do either. Federer takes the initiative early and wins most of the rallies and Roddick doesn't have nearly as many easy serve games as he likes to feel comfortable in this match up. And defeat and defeat starts to wear on you after a while, even for a fighter like Roddick.

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Caesar1844 10-11-2011 12:56 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
That's because although they're worse players than Roddick, they usually have better groundstrokes. Roddick beats them because his serve dominates their serve.

If you're going to beat Federer, you have to do it with groundstrokes.

Alex999 10-11-2011 01:03 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Fed is a bad matchup for anyone not called Nadal. He is a great player. It's very simple.

MuzzahLovah 10-11-2011 01:11 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Well, Federer can block back huge serves. People with decent ground strokes can take advantage of blocked returns, but Roddick has pretty shitty ground strokes. Without his serve, for most of Roddick's peak he would have be a been a top 15-30 player, not top 10 or top 5 or higher. Fed effectively neutralizes the good part of his game, and each rally would start either on Federer's serve or a neutralizing return.

shiaben 10-11-2011 01:12 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Federer has a harder time returning Nadal's serve in contrast to Roddick, for the obvious reasons..........Roddick's placement is in almost the same exact spots each and every time with the occasional body serve......at least with Nadal he'll go for the line, the middle, or out wide. As simple as that.

Topspindoctor 10-11-2011 01:16 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shiaben (Post 11419941)
Federer has a harder time returning Nadal's serve in contrast to Roddick, for the obvious reasons..........Roddick's placement is in almost the same exact spots each and every time with the occasional body serve......at least with Nadal he'll go for the line, the middle, or out wide. As simple as that.

Olderer has huge problems with low pace serve with extreme spin to backhand.

Duck's serve hardly carry any spin and are all pace and predictable at that. Thus, he finds all his serves blocked back at him and the rally starts at neutral on almost every point. Federer vs Roddick in a rally, we all know who will win those. :wavey:

The only anomaly was Wimbledon, where Olderer was outplayed in rallies, but literally served Duck off court. Hit something like 50 aces, ridiculous stuff.

SaFed2005 10-11-2011 01:41 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shiaben (Post 11419941)
Federer has a harder time returning Nadal's serve in contrast to Roddick, for the obvious reasons..........Roddick's placement is in almost the same exact spots each and every time with the occasional body serve......at least with Nadal he'll go for the line, the middle, or out wide. As simple as that.

Wait, what? Did I really read this right? From the matches I have seen Nadal serves to the Federer BH at least about 90% of the time... I am not sure about this mix up you speak of from Nadal.
And its not just Federer, Nadal serves around 80% of his serves to any players BH side... its actually quite funny to see him do that constantly to the Djoko BH and get burned... and when he tries serving to the FH side he either DFs or throws on in the middle of the box...

I am sorry but as much as I think Roddick SUCKS... Roddick still has better placement on his serves than Nadal...

leng jai 10-11-2011 02:07 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
Due to Federer's block return basically. Roddick's serve is big but the placement isn't exactly the best. Good returners block it back deep and their superior groundstrokes do the rest.

moon language 10-11-2011 02:22 AM

Re: Why was (is) Federer such a bad matchup for Roddick?
 
In addition to the blocked returns it seems that Federer was one of the first to be able to reliably read Roddick's serve.


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