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Johnny Groove 07-06-2011 09:20 PM

Johnny Groove's Top 69 Players Ever (Djokovic #21 of all time)
 
New, revised list. I have the top 101 of all time here, including 5 active players, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, and yes, even Del Potro. I have much editing to do, and only the top 10 is finalized in terms of stats. I still have to do pictures and bios for all 101 players as well as switching around many players from 11-101, but I believe I've got my top 101 players here, only some shuffling and stories to tell.

1877: 1 slam, Spencer Gore wins Wimbledon, ends year #1
1878: 1 slam, Frank Hadow wins Wimbledon, ends year #1
1879: 2 slams, Vere Goold wins the Irish, John Hartley wins Wimbledon, ends year #1
1880: 3 slams, Willie Renshaw wins the Irish, Herbert Lawford wins the Prince’s Club, John Hartley wins Wimbledon, ends year #1
1881: 4 slams, Richard Richardson wins Manchester, Willie Renshaw wins the Irish, Wimbledon, and Prince’s Club, ends year #1
1882: 4 slams, Richardson wins Manchester, Ernie Renshaw wins Prince’s Club, Willie Renshaw wins the Irish and Wimbledon, ends year #1
1883: 4 slams, Ernie Renshaw wins the Irish, Herbert Lawford wins Prince’s Club, Herbert Wilberforce wins Manchester, Willie Renshaw wins Wimbledon, ends #1
1884: 4 slams, Lawford wins the Irish, Donald Stewart wins Manchester, Richard Sears wins the US, Willie Renshaw wins Wimbledon, ends #1
1885: 4 slams, Lawford wins the Irish, James Dwight wins Manchester, Richard Sears wins the US, Willie Renshaw wins Wimbledon, ends #1
1886: 4 slams, Lawford wins the Irish, Harry Grove wins Manchester, Richard Sears wins the US, Willie Renshaw wins Wimbledon, ends #1
1887: 4 slams, Harry Grove wins Manchester, Richard Sears wins the US, Ernie Renshaw wins the Irish, Herbert Lawford wins Wimbledon, E. Renshaw and Lawford co-#1?
1888: 4 slams, Henry Slocum wins the US, Willoughby Hamilton wins Manchester, Ernie Renshaw wins the Irish and Wimbledon, ends #1
1889: 4 slams, Henry Slocum wins the US, Willie Renshaw wins Wimbledon, Willoughby Hamilton wins the Irish and Manchester, Hamilton and Renshaw co-#1?
1890: 4 slams, Oliver Campbell wins the US, Ernest Lewis wins the Irish, Josh Pim wins Manchester, Hamilton wins Wimbledon, Pim and Hamilton co-#1?
1891: 4 slams, Ernest Lewis wins the Irish, Pim wins Manchester, Campbell wins the US, Baddeley wins Wimbledon, Lewis/Pim/Baddeley co-#1?
1892: 4 slams, Campbell wins the US, Ernie Renshaw wins the Irish, Pim wins Manchester, Baddeley wins Wimbledon, Renshaw/Baddeley co-#1?
1893: 4 slams, Robert Wrenn wins the US, Joshua Pim wins a triple crown of the Irish, Manchester, and Wimbledon and is clearly #1 for the 1893 season.
1894: 4 slams, Wrenn wins the US, Baddeley wins Manchester, Pim wins the Irish and Wimbledon and is #1 for the year.
1895: 4 slams, Pim wins the Irish, Fred Hovey wins the US, Baddeley wins Manchester and Wimbledon, Pim/Baddeley co-#1?
1896: 4 slams, Wrenn wins the US, Mahoney wins Wimbledon, Baddeley wins the Irish and Manchester, and is #1 for the year.
1897: 4 slams, Wrenn wins the US, Baddeley wins Manchester, Wilberforce Eaves wins the Irish, and Reggie Doherty wins Wimbledon. Eaves, Wrenn, and Doherty all co-#1’s.
1898: 4 slams, Mal Whitman wins the US, Mahoney wins the Irish, Laurie Doherty wins Manchester, Reggie Doherty wins Wimbledon, Doherty bros co-#1 for the year.
1899: 4 slams, Mal Whitman wins the US, Sidney Smith wins Manchester, Reggie Doherty wins the Irish and Wimbledon and is #1 for the year.
1900: 4 slams, Mal Whitman wins the US, Sidney Smith wins Manchester, Reggie Doherty wins the Irish and Wimbledon, but splits #1 with Whitman for the year.
1901: 4 slams, Reggie Doherty wins the Irish, Sidney Smith wins Manchester, William Larned wins the US, Arthur Gore wins Wimbledon, and Larned and Gore split #1.
1902: 4 slams, Sidney Smith wins Manchester, William Larned wins the US, Laurie Doherty wins the Irish and Wimbledon, and Larned and both Doherty’s split #1.
1903: 3 slams, Sidney Smith wins Manchester, Laurie Doherty wins Wimbledon, US, and leads the Brits to DC glory, clearly #1.
1904: 3 slams, Sidney Smith wins Manchester, Holcombe Ward wins US, Laurie Doherty wins Wimbledon and is #1.
1905: 3 slams, Sidney Smith again wins Manchester, Beals Wright wins the US, Laure Doherty wins Wimbledon and is #1.
1906: 4 slams, Norman Brookes wins the Victorian, Frank Riseley wins Manchester, Bill Clothier wins the US, Laurie Doherty wins Wimbledon and is #1 once more.
1907: 3 slams, Larned wins the US, Brookes wins Manchester and Wimbledon and is #1.
1908: 3 slams, Arthur Gore wins Manchester and Wimbledon, Larned wins the US and is #1.
1909: 4 slams, Gore wins Wimbledon, Wilding wins the Aussie and Victorian, Larned wins the US and is #1.
1910: 2 slams, Tony Wilding wins Wimbledon, Larned wins the US and is #1
1911: 3 slams, Larned wins the US, Brookes wins the Aussie, Wilding wins Wimbledon, Brookes and Wilding split #1.
1912: 4 slams, Otto Froitzheim wins the World Hardcourts, Jim Cecil Parke wins Aussie, McLoughlin wins the US, Wilding wins Wimbledon and is #1.
1913: 3 slams, McLoughlin wins the US, Wilding wins the World Hardcourts and Wimbledon, and is #1.
1914: 4 slams, Dick Williams wins the US, Brookes wins Wimbledon, Wilding wins the World Hardcourts, but McLoughlin the Davis Cup hero is #1.
1915: Bill Johnston wins the US, only counts as 1 slam during war time, #1
1916: Dick Williams wins the US, 1 slam, #1
1917: Lindley Murray wins the US, 1 slam, #1
1918: Lindley Murray wins the US, 1 slam, #1
1919: 4 slams, Andre Gobert wins the Inter-Allied Event, Gerald Patterson wins Wimbledon, Algernon Kingscote wins the AO, Johnston wins the US, and shares #1 with Patterson for the year.
1920: 3 slams, William Laurentz wins the World Hardcourts, Bill Tilden wins Wimbledon and US, and is #1 for the year.
1921: 3 slams, Tilden wins a Triple Crown of the World Hardcourts, Wimbledon, and the US, and is #1 for the year.
1922: 4 slams, Henri Cochet wins the World Hardcourts, Patterson wins Wimbledon, James Anderson wins the AO, and Tilden wins the USO, Tilden and Johnston share the #1 for the year.
1923: 3 slams, Johnston wins the World Hardcourts and Wimbledon, Tilden wins the US and is #1 for the year.
1924: 4 slams, James Anderson wins the AO, Jean Borotra wins Wimbledon, Vinnie Richards wins the Olympics, Tilden wins the US, and is #1 for the year.
1925: 4 slams, James Anderson wins the AO, Rene Lacoste wins the French and Wimbledon, Tilden wins the US, and is once again #1 for the year.
1926: 4 slams, Jack Hawkes wins the AO, Cochet wins RG, Borotra wins Wimbledon, Lacoste wins the US, and is #1 for the year.
1927: 4 slams, Gerald Patterson wins the AO, Cochet wins Wimbledon, but Lacoste wins RG and USO, and is #1 for the year.
1928: 5 slams, 0.8 per, Jean Borotra wins the AO, Lacoste wins Wimbledon, Vinnie Richards wins the US Pro, Cochet wins RG and US, and is #1 for the year.
1929: 5 slams, 0.8 per, John Colin Gregory wins the AO, Lacoste wins RG, Tilden wins the US, Karel Kozeluh wins the US Pro, Cochet wins Wimbledon and is #1.
1930: Gar Moon wins the AO, Kozeluh wins the French Pro, Johnny Doeg wins the US, Vinnie Richards wins the US Pro, Tilden wins Wimbledon, Cochet wins RG, and Tilden/Cochet share #1, each slam counts as 0.67 of a slam.
1931: 5 slams this year, each counts as 0.8 of a slam. Jack Crawford wins the AO, Borotra wins RG, Sidney Wood wins Wimbledon, Tilden wins the pro tour and US Pro, Vines wins the US, and Tilden/Vines/Cochet all share #1, Tilden gets 18, and Cochet and Vines 17 weeks at #1.
1932: 6 slams this year, 0.67. Crawford wins AO again, Cochet wins RG, Kozeluh wins the US Pro, Martin Plaa wins the German Pro, Vines wins Wimbledon and US, and is #1 for the year.
1933: Only 5 slams this year, 0.8 per. Fred Perry wins the US, Hans Nusslein wins the German Pro, Crawford wins the AO, RG, and Wimbledon, and is #1 for the year.
1934: 7 slams this year. Each counts as a 0.57 of a slam. Perry wins the AO, Wimbledon, and US, Tilden wins the French Pro, Nusslein wins the US Pro, Vines wins the Pro Tour, Wembley Pro, Gottfried Von Cramm wins RG, Perry and Vines split the #1.
1935: 7 slams this year, each is 0.57 of a slam. Crawford wins the AO, Wilmer Allison wins the US, Perry wins RG and Wimbledon, Vines wins the Pro Tour, French Pro, Southport Pro, and Wembley Pro. Vines and Perry split #1.
1936: 6 slams this year, each is 0.67 of a slam. Adrian Quist wins the AO, Von Cramm wins RG, Cochet wins the French Pro, Hans Nusslein wins the Southport Pro, Vines wins the pro tour, Perry wins Wimbledon and US. Vines and Perry split #1 again.
1937: 7 slams, 0.57, Vivian McGrath wins the AO, Henner Henkel wins RG, Budge wins Wimbledon/US, Nusslein wins French Pro, Southport Pro, and Wembley Pro, Vines wins the Pro Tour. Vines/Perry/Budge share #1, with Vines getting 18, Perry/Budge with 17.
1938: 7 slams, 0.57, Budge wins AO, RG, Wimbledon, and USO, Vines wins the Pro Tour, Perry wins the US Pro, Nusslein wins the French Pro and Southport Pro, Budge and Vines split #1.
1939: 7 slams, 0.57, John Bromwich wins the AO, Don McNeill wins RG, Riggs wins Wimbledon and US, Nusslein wins the Southport Pro, Vines wins the US Pro, Budge wins Pro Tour and French Pro, Budge clearly #1.
1940: 3 slams, each worth 1. Quist wins the AO, McNeill wins the US, Budge wins the US Pro. Budge #1 again.
1941: 3 legit slams, each worth 1. Budge wins the Pro Tour, Perry wins the US Pro and Forest Hills Pro, and Riggs wins the USO. Perry and Riggs split #1.
1942: 2 slams, 1, Ted Schroeder wins the US, Budge wins the US Pro and Pro Tour, and is #1.
1943: 1 slam, counts as 1, Joe Hunt wins USO, but Budge is still #1.
1944: 1 slam, counts as 1, Frank Parker wins USO, but Budge is still King.
1945: 2 slams, Frank Parker wins the USO, Riggs wins the US Pro, and is new #1
1946: 6 slams, 0.67 per, Bromwich wins the AO, Yvon Petra wins Wimbledon, Marcel Bernard wins RG, Jack Kramer wins the US, Riggs wins the Pro Tour, US Pro, and US Pro Hardcourts, and is #1.
1947: 6 slams, 0.67 per, Dinny Pails wins the AO, Jozsef Asboth wins RG, Kramer wins Wimbledon and USO, Riggs wins US Pro and Philly Pro, and Kramer and Riggs split #1.
1948: 5 slams, 0.8 per, Quist wins the AO, Frank Parker wins RG, Pancho Gonzales wins the US, Bob Falkenburg wins Wimbledon, Kramer wins the Pro Tour and US Pro and is #1.
1949: 6 slams, 0.67 per, Kramer wins Wembley Pro, Riggs wins the US Pro, Sedgman wins the AO, Frank Parker wins RG, Ted Schroeder wins Wimbledon, Gonzales defends the US, Jack Kramer is #1 for the year.
1950: 7 slams, 0.57 per, Sedgman wins the AO, Budge Patty wins RG and Wimbledon, Art Larsen wins the US, Gonzales wins the Philly Pro and Wembley Pro, Kramer wins the Pro Tour, Segura wins the US Pro, and Jack Kramer and Pancho Segura split #1
1951: 7 slams, 0.57 per, Dick Savitt wins the AO and Wimbledon, Jaroslav Drobny wins the RG, Sedgman wins the US, Gonzales wins the Wembley Pro, Segura wins the US Pro, Jack Kramer wins the Pro Tour and the Philly Pro, and is #1.
1952: 7 slams, 0.57 per, Ken McGregor wins the AO, Drobny wins RG, Sedgman wins Wimbledon and US, Segura wins the US Pro, Gonzales wins the Philly Pro and Wembley Pro and is #1.
1953: 6 slams, 0.67 per, Rosewall wins the AO and RG, Gonzales wins the US Pro, Seixas wins Wimbledon, Trabert wins the US, Sedgman wins the Wembley Pro, Kramer wins the Pro Tour, Jack Kramer and Pancho Segura split #1
1954: 6 slams, 0.67 per, Mervyn Rose wins the AO, Trabert wins RG, Drobny wins Wimbledon, Seixas wins the US, Pancho Gonzales wins the US Pro, the US Pro Hardcourts, and the Pro Tour and is #1.
1955: 6 slams, 0.67 per, Rosewall wins the AO, Trabert wins RG, Wimbledon, and USO, Pancho Gonzales wins the US Pro and US Pro Hardcourts and is #1
1956: 7 slams, 0.67 per, Lew Hoad wins AO, RG, and Wimbledon, Rosewall wins the US, Trabert wins the French Pro, Pancho Gonzales wins the US Pro, Wembley Pro, and Pro Tour, and is #1.
1957: 8 slams, 0.5 per, Ashley Cooper wins the AO, Sven Davidson wins RG, Hoad wins Wimbledon, Mal Anderson wins the US, Segura wins the Aussie Pro, Rosewall wins the Wembley Pro, Pancho Gonzales wins the US Pro, Pro Tour, and Tournament of Champions and is #1
1958: 9 slams, 0.44 per, Mervyn Rose wins the RG, Ashley Cooper wins AO, W, and US, Sedgman wins the Aussie Pro and Wembley Pro, Rosewall wins the French Pro, Gonzales wins tournament of champions, US Pro, and Pro Tour, and Sedgman and Gonzales split #1.
1959: 8 slams, 0.5 per, Alex Olmedo wins AO and W, Nicola Pietrangeli wins RG, Neale Fraser wins US, Lew Hoad wins Tournament of Champions, Trabert wins the French Pro, Mal Anderson wins Wembley Pro, Gonzales wins US Pro and Pro Tour. Gonzales and Hoad share #1.
1960: 7 slams, 0.57 per, Laver wins AO, Pietrangeli wins RG, Fraser wins Wimbledon and US, Alex Olmedo wins the US Pro, Rosewall wins French Pro and Wembley Pro, Gonzales wins Pro Tour. Gonzales and Rosewall share #1.
1961: 7 slams, 0.57 per, Emerson wins the AO, USO, Manolo Santana wins RG, Laver wins Wimbledon, Gonzales wins US Pro and Pro Tour, Rosewall wins French Pro and Wembley Pro. Gonzales and Rosewall share #1.
1962: 7 slams, 0.57 slams, Laver wins AO, RG, W, USO, Butch Buchholz wins the US Pro, Rosewall wins French Pro and Wembley Pro, Rosewall is #1.
1963: 7 slams, 0.57 slams, Emerson wins AO and RG, Chuck McKinley wins Wimbledon, Rafael Osuna wins USO, Rosewall wins Pro Slam. Pro Tour, US Pro, French Pro, and Wembley Pro. Rosewall is #1, obviously.
1964: 7 slams, 0.57 slams, Emerson wins AO, Wimbledon, and USO, Santana wins RG, Laver wins US Pro and Wembley Pro, Rosewall wins French Pro. Rosewall and Laver split #1
1965: 7 slams, 0.57 slams, Emerson wins AO and Wimbledon, Stolle wins RG, Santana wins USO, Laver wins Wembley Pro, Rosewall wins US Pro and French Pro, Rosewall and Laver split #1.
1966: 7 slams, 0.57 slams, Emerson wins AO, Roche wins RG, Santana wins Wimbledon, Stolle wins USO, Rosewall wins French Pro, Laver wins US Pro and Wembley Pro, Laver is #1.
1967: 8 slams, 0.5 slams, Emerson wins AO and RG, Newcombe wins Wimbledon and USO, Laver wins Pro Slam, US Pro, Wembley Pro, French Pro, and Wimbledon Pro. Laver is #1.
1968: 6 slams, 0.67 slams, Bill Bowrey wins AO, Rosewall wins RG, Ashe wins USO, Laver wins Wimbledon and French Pro, and Pacific Southwest, Laver is #1.
1969: Laver wins all 4 and is #1
1970: Ashe wins AO, Kodes wins RG, Newcombe wins Wimbledon, Rosewall wins USO, Rosewall, Laver, and Newcombe split #1, Newcombe gets the 18
1971: Rosewall wins AO, Kodes wins RG, Newcombe wins Wimbledon, Smith wins USO, Rosewall, Newcombe, and Smith split #1, Newcombe gets the 18
1972: Rosewall wins AO, Gimeno wins RG, Smith wins Wimbledon, Nastase wins USO, Smith and Nastase split #1
1973: Newcombe wins AO, Nastase wins RG, Kodes wins Wimbledon, Newcombe wins USO, Nastase and Newcombe split #1
1974: Borg wins RG, Connors wins AO, Wimbledon, and USO, Connors is #1
1975: Newcombe wins AO, Borg wins RG, Ashe wins Wimbledon, Orantes wins USO, Ashe is #1
1976: Edmondson wins AO, Pannatta wins RG, Borg wins Wimbledon, Connors wins USO, Connors is #1
1977: Tanner wins January AO, Gerulaitis wins December AO, Vilas wins RG, Borg wins Wimbledon, Vilas wins USO, Borg and Vilas split #1
1978: Vilas wins AO, Borg wins RG, Borg wins Wimbledon, Connors wins USO, Borg and Connors split #1
1979: Vilas wins AO, Borg wins RG, Borg wins Wimbledon, McEnroe wins USO, Borg is #1
1980: Brian Teacher wins AO, Borg wins RG, Borg wins Wimbledon, Mac wins USO, Borg is #1
1981: Johan Kriek wins AO, Borg wins RG, Mac wins W and USO, Mac is #1
1982: Johan Krek wins AO, Wilander wins RG, Connors wins W and USO, Connors is #1
1983: Wilander wins AO, Noah wins RG, Mac wins Wimbledon, Connors wins USO, Mac is #1
1984: Wilander wins AO, Lendl wins RG, Mac wins Wimbledon and USO, Mac is #1
1985: Edberg wins AO, Wilander wins RG, Becker wins Wimbledon and Lendl wins USO, Lendl is #1
1986: Lendl wins RG, and USO, Becker wins Wimbledon, Lendl is #1
1987: Edberg wins AO, Lendl wins RG, Cash wins Wimbledon, Lendl wins USO, Lendl is #1
1988: Wilander wins AO, RG, and USO, Edberg wins Wimbledon, Wilander is #1
1989: Lendl wins AO, Chang wins RG, Becker wins Wimbledon and USO, Becker is #1
1990: Lendl wins AO, Gomez wins RG, Edberg wins Wimbledon, Sampras wins USO, Edberg is #1
1991: Becker wins AO, Courier wins RG, Stich wins Wimbledon, Edberg wins USO, Edberg is #1
1992: Courier wins AO and RG, Agassi wins Wimbledon, Edberg wins USO, Courier is #1
1993: Courier wins AO, Bruguera wins RG, Sampras wins Wimbledon and USO, Sampras is #1
1994: Sampras wins AO, and W, Bruguera wins RG, Agassi wins USO, Sampras is #1
1995: Agassi wins AO, Muster wins RG, Sampras wins W and USO, Sampras is #1
1996: Becker wins AO, Kafelnikov wins RG, Krajicek wins Wimbledon, Sampras wins USO, Sampras is #1
1997: Sampras wins AO, Kuerten wins RG, Sampras wins Wimbledon, Rafter wins USO, Sampras is #1
1998: Korda wins AO, Moya wins RG, Sampras wins W, Rafter wins USO, Sampras is #1
1999: Kafelnikov wins AO, Agassi wins RG and USO, Sampras wins W, Agassi is #1
2000: Agassi wins AO, Guga wins RG, Sampras wins W, Safin wins USO, Guga is #1
2001: Agassi wins AO, Guga wins RG, Ivanisevic wins W, Hewitt wins USO, Hewitt is #1
2002: Johansson wins AO, Costa wins RG, Hewitt wins W, Sampras wins USO, Hewitt is #1
2003: Agassi wins AO, Ferrero wins RG, Fed wins Wimbledon, Roddick wins USO, Roddick is #1
2004: Gaudio wins RG, Federer wins AO, Wimbledon, and USO, Fed is #1
2005: Safin wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Fed wins Wimbledon and USO, Fed is #1
2006: Federer wins AO, W, and USO, Nadal wins RG, Fed is #1
2007: Federer wins AO, W, and USO, Nadal wins RG, Fed is #1
2008: Djokovic wins AO, Nadal wins RG and W, Fed wins USO, Nadal is #1
2009: Nadal wins AO, Fed wins RG and W, Del Potro wins USO, Fed is #1
2010: Federer wins AO, Nadal wins RG, W, and USO, Nadal is #1
2011: Djokovic wins AO, W, and USO, Nadal wins RG, Djokovic is #1
2012: Djokovic wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Federer wins Wimbleon, Murray wins USO
2013: Djokovic wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Murray wins Wimbledon, Nadal wins USO
2014: Wawrinka wins AO, Nadal wins RG, Djokovic wins Wimbledon

The following is my combined Master List. First number is how many slams they won straight up. Number in parenthesis is “Johnny Groove Adjusted Slams”.


1. Roger Federer, 17 slams and 302 weeks
2. Rod Laver, 21 slams (16.63 slams), and 277 weeks
3. Pancho Gonzales, 20 slams (11.96 slams), 7 Pro Tours (extra 3.92 slams)= 15.88 slams and 364 weeks
4. Ken Rosewall, 23 slams (14.7 slams) 1 Pro Tour (extra 0.57 slams)= 15.27 slams and 242 weeks
5. Pete Sampras, 14 slams and 286 weeks
6. Rafael Nadal, 14 slams and 142 weeks
7. Bill Tilden, 13 slams and 1 Pro Tour= (12.64 slams) and 330 weeks
8. Don Budge, 9 slams, 3 Pro Tours= (8.56 slams) and 303 weeks
9. William Renshaw, 11 slams (11 slams) and 286 weeks
10. Bjorn Borg, 11 slams and 150 weeks

Johnny Groove 07-06-2011 09:20 PM

Professor Johnny Groove's Top 69 tennis players (USO and AO 14 implications)
 
11. Laurie Doherty, 8.33 slams and 252 weeks
12. Ivan Lendl, 8 slams and 234 weeks
13. Jack Kramer, 234 weeks and 8.195 slams
14. Tony Wilding, 9.33 slams and 130 weeks
15. William Larned- 9 slams and 199 weeks
16. Jimmy Connors, 8 slams and 182 weeks
17. Joshua Pim, 9 slams and 173 weeks
18. Fred Perry, 121 weeks and 8.7 slams
19. Bobby Riggs, 7.96 slams and 156 weeks
20. Andre Agassi, 8 slams and 101 weeks
21. Novak Djokovic- 102 weeks and 7 slams
22. Henri Cochet, 7.29 slams and 147 weeks
23. Ellsworth Vines, 7.07 slams and 191 weeks
24. John McEnroe, 170 weeks and 7 slams
25. Reggie Doherty, 7 slams and 139 weeks
26. Rene Lacoste, 104 weeks and 6.8 slams
27. Stefan Edberg- 88 weeks and 6 slams
28. Bill Johnston- 104 weeks and 4.33 slams
29. John Newcombe- 70 weeks and 6.5 slams
30. Norman Brookes- 78 weeks and 5.665 slams
31. Roy Emerson, 0 weeks and 9.21 slams
32. Jack Crawford- 52 weeks and 5.115 slams
33. Mats Wilander- 20 weeks and 7 slams
34. Boris Becker- 32 weeks and 6 slams
35. Jim Courier- 58 weeks and 4 slams
36. Lleyton Hewitt- 80 weeks and 2 slams
37. Frank Sedgman- 26 weeks and 6.13 slams
38. Pancho Segura- 52 weeks and 3.005 slams
39. Hans Nusslein- 0 weeks and 6.935 slams
40. Maurice McLoughlin- 52 weeks and 2.665 slams
41. Gustavo Kuerten- 43 weeks and 3 slams
42. Arthur Ashe- 27 weeks and 3.875 slams
43. Lew Hoad- 26 weeks and 3.69 slams
44. Tony Trabert- 0 weeks and 5.665 slams
45. Stan Smith- 43 weeks and 2 slams
46. Guillermo Vilas- 14 weeks and 4 slams
47. Ilie Nastase- 40 weeks and 2 slams
48. Andy Murray- 0 weeks and 2 slams
49. Jean Borotra- 0 weeks and 3.733 slams
50. Manolo Santana- 0 weeks and 3.105 slams
51. Marat Safin- 9 weeks and 2 slams
52. Yevgeny Kafelnikov- 6 weeks and 2 slams
53. Patrick Rafter- 1 week and 2 slams
54. Andy Roddick- 13 weeks and 1 slam
55. Sergei Bruguera- 0 weeks and 2 slams
56. Thomas Muster- 6 weeks and 1 slam
57. Carlos Moya- 2 weeks and 1 slam
58. Michael Chang- 0 weeks and 1 slam
59. Goran Ivanisevic- 0 weeks and 1 slam
60. Vitas Gerulaitis- 0 weeks and 1 slam
61. Roscoe Tanner- 0 weeks and 1 slam
62. Manuel Orantes- 0 weeks and 1 slam
63. Herbert Lawford
64. Juan Carlos Ferrero- 8 weeks and 1 slam
65. Michael Stich- 0 weeks and 1 slam
66. Andres Gimeno- 0 weeks and 1 slam
67. Yannick Noah- 0 weeks and 1 slam, #3, 23 titles, 476-210
68. Richard Krajicek- 0 weeks and 1 slam, #4, 17 titles, 411-219
69. Juan Martin Del Potro- 0 weeks and 1 slam, #4 14 titles, 270-111, 70.86%

Ernest Renshaw also, Budge in Tier 1? More extensive stats...

hipolymer 07-06-2011 09:31 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
No Djokovic?

Why Emerson so low?

xdrewitdajx 07-06-2011 09:31 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
strange criteria...

Johnny Groove 07-06-2011 09:33 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
My bad, I must have missed him.

#43 for Djokovic.

Johnny Groove 07-06-2011 09:33 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xdrewitdajx (Post 11193766)
strange criteria...

Oh? :scratch:

What more criteria should I have included?

DrJules 07-06-2011 09:33 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hipolymer (Post 11193763)
No Djokovic?

Why Emerson so low?

Number 43.

Johnny Groove 07-06-2011 09:39 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
Emerson may have won 12 slams, but he played on the amateur tour in the 60's when all the best were on the pro tour. Emerson before Laver, Rosewall, etc. went pro in the early 60's was a 2nd fiddle to them, and in the open era again didn't measure up to those guys.

Jack Kramer in 1979, his autobiography did not include Emerson in his top 21, while he did include guys like Ashe, Connors, and Borg.

Sophocles 07-06-2011 09:42 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
Great work, very impressive. Quite moving reading about the life stories of some of the very old champions, even if I'm unsure about their ranking (I hate present-tards, but pre-Wilding and pretty much pre-Tilden the game was very localized & amateur).

I'll leave caveats for later.

xdrewitdajx 07-06-2011 09:45 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Groove (Post 11193774)
Oh? :scratch:

What more criteria should I have included?

just seems a bit heavy on the "historical" aspect, and even then I can't figure out why some are ranked the way they are, based on reading the summaries of their careers. Jack kramer, for example...I feel like he's ranked as high as he is more because of a "what if his career hadn't been cut short" than anything else. I don't see why he'd be ahead of a lot of other players, honestly. I admittedly know very little about him so I'm going by your summary.


edit: I should mention that despite maybe not understanding or agreeing with some of the ranks, I really enjoyed the top 25 list, it's interesting reading about some of the older players I don't know much about. The effort is certainly appreciated!

Pirata. 07-06-2011 09:58 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
4.5/5, good job :)

Echoes 07-06-2011 10:02 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
Holy Moses ! Love it.

I already gave some comments on the other thread (similar to what Sophocles said here). I won't repeat that.

But I would say why no mention of the World Hardcourt Championship (on clay, 1910-1923) in the criteria? Roland-Garros was reserved to members of French Club at that time. The WHC in Saint-Cloud, Paris or once in Brussel is a good substitute. It was played like a present-day Grand Slam (D128, all best of five) and no challenge round like in Wimbledon. Wilding, Tilden and Cochet won it.

There was also a World Indoor Championship but on TWH they argued it wasn't as prestigious as the name suggests.

Also, I think we should take the World Series of the Pro Tour (from the thirties to 1963) into account. The Major Pros were really important in the sixties.

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Originally Posted by xdrewitdajx
just seems a bit heavy on the "historical" aspect, and even then I can't figure out why some are ranked the way they are, based on reading the summaries of their careers. Jack kramer, for example...I feel like he's ranked as high as he is more because of a "what if his career hadn't been cut short" than anything else. I don't see why he'd be ahead of a lot of other players, honestly. I admittedly know very little about him so I'm going by your summary.

Jack Kramer was the best pro before Gonzales came up. So said Frank Sedgman for example. In 1950 he destroyed Gonzales in the World Series. Some 90 match wins to 30 (something like that).

The Magician 07-06-2011 10:09 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
Very cool summaries of the old champions. Good to know Fatbandian is Ellsworth Vines's reincarnation :tape:

SheepleBuster 07-06-2011 10:09 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
Got a lot of time on your hand. You should start a blog.

Johnny Groove 07-06-2011 10:43 PM

Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 tennis players of all time (a history lesson)
 
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Originally Posted by Sophocles (Post 11193795)
Great work, very impressive. Quite moving reading about the life stories of some of the very old champions, even if I'm unsure about their ranking (I hate present-tards, but pre-Wilding and pretty much pre-Tilden the game was very localized & amateur).

I'll leave caveats for later.

Thanks, mate, always interesting to read your posts as well.

Even so with the localization and amateurization of the pre-Wilding and pre-Tilden game, I just had to give some love to guys like Larned, Renshaw, and the Dohertys.

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Originally Posted by xdrewitdajx (Post 11193801)
just seems a bit heavy on the "historical" aspect, and even then I can't figure out why some are ranked the way they are, based on reading the summaries of their careers. Jack kramer, for example...I feel like he's ranked as high as he is more because of a "what if his career hadn't been cut short" than anything else. I don't see why he'd be ahead of a lot of other players, honestly. I admittedly know very little about him so I'm going by your summary.


edit: I should mention that despite maybe not understanding or agreeing with some of the ranks, I really enjoyed the top 25 list, it's interesting reading about some of the older players I don't know much about. The effort is certainly appreciated!

Jack Kramer was a king for a few years, and Echoes' post says the rest.

And thank you :D

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Originally Posted by Slumpdasco (Post 11193829)
4.5/5, good job :)

Thank you :D

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Originally Posted by Echoes (Post 11193842)
Holy Moses ! Love it.

I already gave some comments on the other thread (similar to what Sophocles said here). I won't repeat that.

But I would say why no mention of the World Hardcourt Championship (on clay, 1910-1923) in the criteria? Roland-Garros was reserved to members of French Club at that time. The WHC in Saint-Cloud, Paris or once in Brussel is a good substitute. It was played like a present-day Grand Slam (D128, all best of five) and no challenge round like in Wimbledon. Wilding, Tilden and Cochet won it.

There was also a World Indoor Championship but on TWH they argued it wasn't as prestigious as the name suggests.

Also, I think we should take the World Series of the Pro Tour (from the thirties to 1963) into account. The Major Pros were really important in the sixties.

Jack Kramer was the best pro before Gonzales came up. So said Frank Sedgman for example. In 1950 he destroyed Gonzales in the World Series. Some 90 match wins to 30 (something like that).

Always good to hear your insight.

Yes RG didn't open up until 1925, and the World Hard Court Championships, ironically held on clay court, did serve as a substitute French Open for a time.

What is this World Series of the Pro Tour?

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Originally Posted by The Magician (Post 11193865)
Very cool summaries of the old champions. Good to know Fatbandian is Ellsworth Vines's reincarnation :tape:

Ha! If Nalbandian had 7 slams and was #1 for a few years, maybe :p More similar to Safinish.

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Originally Posted by SheepleBuster (Post 11193866)
Got a lot of time on your hand. You should start a blog.

Not really, this took several weeks to do :tape:

A blog? Possibly.


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