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Labamba 12-22-2008 09:36 PM

2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
2009 Tiebreak System (TB)

TB System will have to be used in the event of both players/teams tipping the same amount of winners in a round.

For each round the manager must decide on 20 SR (set ratio) matches and these should be numbered SR1 > SR20 with SR1 also being a PTS (predict-the-score) match. This should be done for every round (where possible). These selected matches should be considered to be the most difficult to predict in the schedule. However selection of the matches chosen is always at the manager's discretion. For every 1st round of every draw (singles & doubles, main draw & qualifying) players should send PTS scores for all 20 SR matches. This is done to avoid any match being decided by ranking.

The new TT TB System:

Quote:

Note: Matches with retirement won't count in the TB system.

1. Total # of Set Ratios correct: 1-20 (20 where possible) > if same then

2. Set Ratio shoot-out: 1-20 (compare SR1, SR2, SR3, etc.) > if same then

Note: When both players pick the loser, the shoot-out win goes to the one who gave more sets to the winner.

3. PTS 1 (1-20 in all first round matches)

Both players have incorrect winner in the PTS match: +2 points for every set predicted for the winner

Correct order of sets for:

1 set – 1 point
2 sets – 4 points
3 sets – 7 points
4 sets – 10 points
5 sets – 13 points

Correct scoreline for:

1 set – 3 points
2 sets – 6 points
3 sets – 9 points
4 sets – 12 points
5 sets – 15 points

4. Tournament Countback (CB) - # of correct picks from all the previous rounds (qualifying not counted)

5. CB1 (countback from previous round), CB2 (countback from two rounds back), CB3, etc.

6. Steps 1-3 from the previous round(s) (if the previous round doesn't break the tie, then go two rounds back, etc.)

7. Game Difference and Number of Games System (taken from the PTS scores) (If the picked player of either TT-player loses, the match won't count for GD purposes; 20 possible GD matches in the first rounds)

The game difference and the number of games played is used.

example 1
player A - Federer 6-4 6-3 = +5 game difference and 19 games played
player B - Federer 6-4 7-5 = +4 game difference and 22 games played

result - Federer 6-4 7-6 = +3 game difference and 23 games played.

player A -> 2 game difference + 4 games played = 6
player B -> 1 game difference + 1 games played = 2

-> player B def player A

example 2
player A - Federer 6-1 1-6 7-6 = +1 game difference and 27 games played
player B - Federer 7-5 6-7 7-6 = +2 game difference and 38 games played

result - Federer 7-6 6-7 7-6 = +1 game difference and 39 games played.

player A -> 0 game difference + 12 games played = 12
player B -> 1 game difference + 1 games played = 2

-> player B def player A

If there's a tie, the player with the closer game difference will advance. If both players have the same game difference and the same number of games played, then

8. Ranking (the higher ranked player/team wins)

Labamba 12-22-2008 09:37 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
new thread for the new season

If you have questions about a tiebreak, ask them here :wavey:

FiBeR 12-24-2008 01:01 AM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
:p found the answer to my question on the rules thread :p

Renaud 12-24-2008 09:48 AM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Just a question to be sure i understood well.

SR1 Cakl/Federer
SR2 Torres/Djokovic
SR3 Lisnard/Nadal
Etc....

Both players have 10 right picks and 7 right SR

Real score:
Federer 63 64
Torres 62 63
Lisnard 36 64 62

My picks:
Federer 62 75
Djokovic 62 36 64
Nadal 64 76

Fiber picks
Federer 63 64
Djokovic 62 76
Nadal 36 75 62

I win because i gave Torres one set?
And in 2008 Fiber would have won thanks to PTS1 ?

Labamba 12-24-2008 11:50 AM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Renaud (Post 7928996)
I win because i gave Torres one set?
And in 2008 Fiber would have won thanks to PTS1 ?

yes to both ;)

trucul 12-24-2008 01:47 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Question for the 5 set matches:

Nadal/Roddick
Federer/Davydenko
Murray/Tsonga

Real Score:
Nadal 63 64 63
Federer 64 57 36 64 86
Murray 63 64 63

My picks:
Nadal 75 62 61
Federer 64 57 63 64
Murray 63 36 64 63

Fiber picks:
Nadal 63 62 64
Federer 64 63 64
Murray 63 36 64 63

In that case, that goes to PTS and Fiber wins even if picking 3-1 is closer in SRs than 3-0 ...

But if real result had been Davydenko 64 57 36 64 86, I would have won.

Is that correct that "nearest" SR score is only true in case both players pick losers and not when they have correct winners but incorrect SR score ?

Labamba 12-25-2008 11:48 AM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trucul (Post 7929322)
Is that correct that "nearest" SR score is only true in case both players pick losers and not when they have correct winners but incorrect SR score ?

yes, it's correct

trucul 12-25-2008 12:41 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Thanks ! I have one question related to PTS, even if this is not new in 2009. But I would like to make it clear for everybody.

Both players have incorrect winner in the PTS match: +2 points for every set predicted for the winner

Correct order of sets for:

1 set – 1 point
2 sets – 4 points
3 sets – 7 points
4 sets – 10 points
5 sets – 13 points

Correct scoreline for:

1 set – 3 points
2 sets – 6 points
3 sets – 9 points
4 sets – 12 points
5 sets – 15 points


If result of the match is Federer def. Nadal 6/4 3/6 7/6 3/6 6/4

If I pick Nadal 6/3 6/2 4/6 6/1
I guess I will get following points:

+2: because I picked one set for the winner (Federer).
+4: because I have correct order of sets for sets 2 and 3 (I understand order of sets as winner of a set but I am not sure).
+6: because I get correct scoreline for 6/3 Nadal and 6/4 Federer.
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Total is 12 points.

Is my understanding correct ? Thanks in advance for your answer.

Labamba 12-25-2008 06:00 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trucul (Post 7930494)
Total is 12 points.

Is my understanding correct ? Thanks in advance for your answer.

no, total is 15 points (2+7+6)

you have 3 sets in correct order

trucul 12-25-2008 06:38 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Labamba (Post 7930743)
no, total is 15 points (2+7+6)

you have 3 sets in correct order

Oops sorry ... You are right. But this confirms my understanding of what correct order of sets is. ;)

Zirconek 02-02-2009 04:58 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Quote:

2. Set Ratio shoot-out: 1-20 (compare SR1, SR2, SR3, etc.) > if same then


It needs to be more clear. Managers have to check:
a) Correct winners of all matches, and then SR of the matches.
or
b) Correct winner of SR1 match, if the same check SR1, only if still tied then goes to SR2 match...

GlennMirnyi 02-02-2009 05:08 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
It is clear... it's what you put under item B.

Zirconek 02-02-2009 05:33 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Yes, I know it's like in "b", but it should be made more clear like was in previous year's TB threads, especially for the new managers.

I personally think the option "a" is more interesting than the option "b" BTW.

Rik. 04-27-2009 03:02 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
63 64 and 64 63 is still the same? :wavey:

Labamba 04-27-2009 03:56 PM

Re: 2009 TT Tiebreak System
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rik. (Post 8493079)
63 64 and 64 63 is still the same? :wavey:

yes


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