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Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Their rivalry)

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#1 ·
Just something I thought about :p

let's think about it this way:

Fed's Australian Open = Djoko's Wimbledon.
Fed's Roland Garros = Djoko's Roland Garros.
Fed's Wimbledon = Djoko's Australian Open.
Fed's US Open = Djoko's US Open.

2003 & 2008 - First GS for each player
Both players won their first GS, and in their 'best' tournament of the four.

2004 & 2011 - First year of absolute Dominance
Both won 3 Slams in those year, and were more dominant than any other player on the tour. Also, the only Slam they didn't win was their worst Slam - RG. I know Fed's done it in 2004 which is of course right the next year after 2003, and Novak had a two year break, but oh well...

2005 & 2012 - A little less successful than the previous year
Only two Slams for Roger: His best one, and his second best. Novak has already won his best slam this year, so he now needs to win the USO :p

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I'm kidding of course, but this is just interesting :)
 
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#676 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Federer family could afford to buy free love for doing little on clay between 2000-2005.
He knew he had easy draws and he avoided Davis Cup ties to rest for the clay season.

Djokovic received disrespect & hostility from bad clay players until he beat Nadal and Federer. Unlike Federer, he didn't just play a bare minimum of difficult tournaments to save his health & reputation.
He wouldn't lose easily to Gulbis, Hewitt, Melzer, Stepanek, Volandri, Rafter and injured Kuerten.
 
#677 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Federer family could afford to buy free love for doing little on clay between 2000-2005.
He knew he had easy draws and he avoided Davis Cup ties to rest for the clay season.

Djokovic received disrespect & hostility from bad clay players until he beat Nadal and Federer. Unlike Federer, he didn't just play a bare minimum of difficult tournaments to save his health & reputation.
He wouldn't lose easily to Gulbis, Hewitt, Melzer, Stepanek, Volandri, Rafter and injured Kuerten.
superb
 
#683 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Peak vs. peak on clay, Nole takes this I think. But so far (and comparing where Fed was at at the same age as Nole is now) then it's Federer.
:spit: :haha: :stupid: :smash:
 
#686 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Djokovic isn't better on anything. Hope this helps.
Oh he's better on many things, believe me. ;)
 
#687 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

federer on clay in his best year (2006):

- French Open final (lost to nadal), Final of Rome Masters (lost to nadal), Final of Monte Carlo Masters (lost to nadal), did not play Hamburg


djokovic on clay in his best year (2011):

- French Open Semi final (lost to federer), Won Rome Masters (bt. nadal), Won Madrid Masters (bt. nadal), did not play Monte Carlo
 
#702 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

federer on clay in his best year (2006):

- French Open final (lost to nadal), Final of Rome Masters (lost to nadal), Final of Monte Carlo Masters (lost to nadal), did not play Hamburg


djokovic on clay in his best year (2011):

- French Open Semi final (lost to federer), Won Rome Masters (bt. nadal), Won Madrid Masters (bt. nadal), did not play Monte Carlo

Madrid = irrelevant (and best-of-3), Rome = impressive but still best-of-3. Djoko has the same # of wins as Olderer in best of 5 set matches vs Claydal. Zero.

Djokovic - 1 set won in 5 bo5 matches
Olderer - 7 sets won in 7 bo5 matches
 
#697 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Nadal has THE GOAT Clay career.
next.
 
#711 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Fed trolls would be too bitter to think Djoker's superior even if Djoker won French Open without tons of luck like Federer's '09 FO.
Unlike Federina, Djoker had to change his health decisions. He felt the need to play Davis Cup and travel
to different charity events. He didn't have time to
serve well enough on clay;
he needed to be much-improved on all surfaces.
Federer had a lot time to rest since 2004.
He could ignore any Davis Cup competition because the ITF, cowardly Swiss and media people needed to make money off his "hero goat" propaganda.

Clay was Nadal's ideal surface, nowhere near Djoker's favorite.
Of course, if you play a lot on clay, as Nadal does, you'll feel more uncomfortable & unbalanced on hardcourt in your service games.
Djoker's still improving in Slams.
Federer and Nadal are the same for 6 years on hardcourt & grass.
 
#712 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Fed trolls would be too bitter to think Djoker's superior even if Djoker won French Open without tons of luck like Federer's '09 FO.
Unlike Federina, Djoker had to change his health decisions. He felt the need to play Davis Cup and travel
to different charity events. He didn't have time to
serve well enough on clay;
he needed to be much-improved on all surfaces.
Federer had a lot time to rest since 2004.
He could ignore any Davis Cup competition because the ITF, cowardly Swiss and media people needed to make money off his "hero goat" propaganda.

Clay was Nadal's ideal surface, nowhere near Djoker's favorite.
Of course, if you play a lot on clay, as Nadal does, you'll feel more uncomfortable & unbalanced on hardcourt in your service games.
Djoker's still improving in Slams.
Federer and Nadal are the same for 6 years on hardcourt & grass.
:worship:
 
#724 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

We know the slow courts are helping the top guys stay at the top for longer (confirmed by Federer himself).

Djokovic will probably play until 35 years of age. I'd say he's got a shot at not just building a better clay court record than Federer, but dwarfing the guy completely.
 
#725 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

We know the slow courts are helping the top guys stay at the top for longer (confirmed by Federer himself).

Djokovic will probably play until 35 years of age. I'd say he's got a shot at not just building a better clay court record than Federer, but dwarfing the guy completely.
stop being such a tard dude that is not possible.Can he win 2 RG titles and be better than Fed yes but still.As for playing until 35 LOL......he will retire before 30 he said so himself
 
#754 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

I guess I misunderstood the above comment then. Thought the bolded part referred to more than clay. My apologies. But yes he needs to beat Nadal in the RG final to have a prayer at being better than Fed on clay.
no worries.Fed didnt beat Nadal to win his RG so Novak doesnt need to do that too
 
#729 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Federer is a better player than Djokovic overall even on clay, but that doesn't mean Nole can't achieve more. Being the better player and achieving more are not always the same thing; achievements depend a lot on circumstances (injuries, quality of the competition faced, etc...).

Nole has a great chance to build an excellent clay resumé, he can beat Nadal on clay if needed, and with Rafa out of the picture/declining he'd be the clear #1 on clay.
 
#731 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Federer is a better player than Djokovic overall even on clay, but that doesn't mean Nole can't achieve more. Being the better player and achieving more are not always the same thing; achievements depend a lot on circumstances (injuries, quality of the competition faced, etc...).

Nole has a great chance to build an excellent clay resumé, he can beat Nadal on clay if needed, and with Rafa out of the picture/declining he'd be the clear #1 on clay.
Don't think Djokovic will surpass Fed on clay. Djokovic has on RG final. Fed has 5 and a title. Several other big clay titles and in the clay GOAT era. Djokovic would need to win 2 RG titles to have a chance. If he does it when Nadal is gone it won't mean that much. He shouldn't have lost to Roger in 2011 and to Nadal this year at RG. That pretty much says he will never surpass Roger on clay.
 
#738 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Fed was crap at RG 2009. Limped his way past a choking Acasuso, a point away from Haas serving to put him out and then getting outplayed by favourable match up Del Potro.

No way was that his best clay form at all. 2006 was the best I've seen Federer play on clay. He had his chances against a full-pelt Nadal in MC and RG and he should have won the Rome final (that and Nadal-Coria are two of the all-time great clay epics)
 
#740 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Fed was crap at RG 2009. Limped his way past a choking Acasuso, a point away from Haas serving to put him out and then getting outplayed by favourable match up Del Potro.

No way was that his best clay form at all. 2006 was the best I've seen Federer play on clay. He had his chances against a full-pelt Nadal in MC and RG and he should have won the Rome final (that and Nadal-Coria are two of the all-time great clay epics)
When Nadal lost Roger had huge pressure to win the title. He knew that would probably be his only and last chance to complete the career slam. His form was irrelevant. He was mentally very clutch that year.
 
#741 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

also who gives a fuck about the finals....If Novak wins 2 RG titles and Fed stays at 1 who will say Fed achieved more at RG?Nobody but his bandwagon tards......Fedtards carbon copy of Yankee fans.Brain dead,know nothing about the sport and started rooting for him/team because he/they won all the time
 
#745 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

also who gives a fuck about the finals....If Novak wins 2 RG titles and Fed stays at 1 who will say Fed achieved more at RG?Nobody but his bandwagon tards......Fedtards carbon copy of Yankee fans.Brain dead,know nothing about the sport and started rooting for him/team because he/they won all the time
Rooting for Fed during 1998-2003 means I started rooting for him because he won all the time?!! If you say so, foolbert
 
#746 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Actually Federer did never win RG playing Nadal, so if Nole wins RG and beats Nadal in the final he will be the indisputable better clay court player of the two.
Retiring from this thread, all this talk about Federer in here is so tedious. I'll leave it to you kids. :yawn:
 
#748 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Fed fans are relieved to know that cold-hearted non-athletes, and old 1960s players and unsuccessful singles players believe Federina's the goat and 2nd best clay player ever. LOLOLOL
 
#750 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Fed fans are relieved to know that cold-hearted non-athletes, and old 1960s players and unsuccessful singles players believe Federina's the goat and 2nd best clay player ever. LOLOLOL
Stop trolling heya. Everyone can see what you are up to.
 
#781 ·
Re: Endless Djokovic/Federer Debates (Who will end up with the better clay career)

Djokovic at his super absolute peak lost in 2011 against 30-yo, over the hill Federer. That should tell you much who's better in clay.

Non-peak Djoker corrected this faux-pas one year later.
 
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