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#1 ·
We include alcohol in here, is jsut as much a drug as anything else. Is just consumed as a drink like many others.

How do you feel about them?

Think they should all be legal? All illegal?

To balance the discussion, Marijuana and MDMA have never been solidly proved to do any harm to your physical health. Mental health can be a different story.

For example alcohol and tobacco harm your physical health more than Marijuana does. MDMA is hard to overdose on accidentally, and well, Marijuana is impossible to OD on.

On the other hand, Meth, Crack, Heroin do tremendous harm and are very fatal in certain quantities.

Whats the laws in your land, and whats your feelings on drugs?
 
#3 ·
In my opinion all drugs should be legal, but people should be properly informing which drug in which way is harmful for the health since the primary school. Drugs should be still banned in sport and people sentenced firmly after initiating car accidents or other accidents under specific substances. If someone is addicted should cover the costs of its treatment.

If someone takes drugs at home to get visions or partying as long as he/she doesn't disturb drastically the peace of others, there's no problem ethically from my point of view, whether it's marijuana or heroin.
 
#6 ·
I used to be open minded about drugs. That all changed when I shared a house friends who smoked pot every fucken day :mad:. If it was here and there I would not have minded but not everyday. These guys spent all their student loans on pot :eek:. At one time they took my rent money from my room without asking. I moved out and I have not seen or spoken to them again :woohoo:. Before they started taking drugs they were good people. Drugs are bad.
 
#8 ·
All drugs should be legalized, provided that there will be proper education available about the risks (yes, even using marihuana has its risks - enhanced susceptibility to various mental diseases for those who have a disposition for getting those) to young people. Open, objective information/education I mean - no 'scaring off' people, and no 'advertising' of the stuff either. Just plain facts.

The morbidity and mortality rates caused by legal drugs (alcohol, cigarettes) greatly outnumber those of illegal drugs. The only effect you get with an endless 'War on Drugs' is criminals getting richer-and-richer because of it.



These friends obviously had a massive (mental) addiction problem. Every day is just too much. There isn't much difference with folks emptying a bottle of whisky every day... Too much of any drug is always wrong. :shrug:
 
#11 ·
Sensible, limited, recreational use of drugs doesn't have to mean one is per sé 'fucking up his/her life'. Just like one can of beer won't harm you all that much, smoking a joint once in while doesn't either. :)
 
#14 · (Edited)
I think it's all very well to say that drugs should be legalised as long as people are made aware of the risks but the fact remains that people can't always be relied upon to act rationally. We're creatures of emotion, our mood fluctuating constantly and our minds seeking to offload consciousness where it begins to feel uncomfortable. Even if the education is there (which it wont be) people will still take drugs because we aren't simply objective decision makers who will always decide "no I wont do this because drugs are bad". Even if we were, legalising drugs would open the floodgates to unscrupulous companies trying to convince us that we should take drugs.

Drugs should not be legalised. We should do whatever is necessary to prevent people from taking drugs in the first place. The idea that you can artificially alter your consciousness for your own benefit is a dangerous one - because who wouldn't want to do that?

The idea that by legalising drugs we'd be taking money away from criminals is nonsensical too. If only it were that simple that we had a section of society that readily fits into the category criminals. It's this petty lust for vengeance that gets us nowhere - after we're done punishing these people what are they going to do? Get an education and a job and join the society that's been intent on ostracising them? No...they're going to keep being criminals to the detriment of everyone else in society. By no means am I saying that the two aren't linked - but i'm certain that the proceeds of selling drugs are part of what keeps many criminals from indulging in more overt types of crime like robbery. I very much doubt that legalising drugs would lead to reductions in overall crime.
 
#37 ·
It doesn't. That's the point.
Unfortunately, this is what history tells.
Banning drugs has NEVER ever stopped anyone using them. It's "Human Nature".

Why is it so hard to just remain realistic and just admit that wherever there's drugs, people will use them? Why is it so hard to at least try and give people proper education about both the pleasures and the risks? :shrug:
 
#16 ·
all prohibition ever did was increase crime and the amount of black money in the system... those who follow the path of self-harming addiction were destined to in any world... the state has no place to put people in nappies and say 'naughty, naughty', it is up to the individual and those responsible for the individual in their formative years to know right from wrong and suffer the consequences for their actions...

illegal or not, people will find a way... the state should have only one position on this: a percentage of drug education in any school's curriculum from ages 12-15... 'visit-a-junkie-in-withdrawal-day'... awareness is all you can offer...
 
#18 ·
all prohibition ever did was increase crime and the amount of black money in the system
Prohibition? really? it's a long time since the 1930s. This "black money" that you speak of, would you not rather that it's raised by selling people something they want rather than by mugging people? People who commit crime wont suddenly all turn legit if drugs are legalised, they'll turn to other types of crime to sustain themselves.

those who follow the path of self-harming addiction were destined to in any world
So do you just abandon them as lost causes?

the state has no place to put people in nappies and say 'naughty, naughty', it is up to the individual and those responsible for the individual in their formative years to know right from wrong and suffer the consequences for their actions...
Reality isn't as simple as right and wrong, no-one in the world can say they've never made a decision that, with hindsight, wasn't a rational one. Thus people can't be relied upon to not take drugs. Illegality as an extra incentive to not take drugs is a good idea if it results in less people becoming addicted.
 
#17 ·
The drugs don't work, they just make you worse ;). Great song :worship:. Seriously drugs are bad. A number of people in the population have addictive personalities. Things will go tits up if drugs are legalised. It will be a free for all. Lets be real people who seriously wants a drug like cocaine to be legalised? The only drug that I can see being legalised is cannabis. I did a literature review on cannabis, that drug is not as safe as people say it is even though the human brain is pretty much wired for cannabis use. Very strange I must say.
 
#23 ·
This thread isn't very sexy 2003...
 
#86 ·
It isnt always a sexy subject Leng..

Unlike the Haas backhand..or tripwires :devil:
 
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#40 ·
People can't be trusted to take care of themselves. Legalize drugs and they will of course get easier to obtain, which I think will eventually lead to more people becoming addicted and more lives ruined. I for one don't share this "if people want to destroy themselves, then let them"-attitude. (Besides, if a person becomes an addict, there is seldom only 1 person who suffers.)
 
#41 ·
People can't be trusted to take care of themselves. Legalize drugs and they will of course get easier to obtain, which I think will eventually lead to more people becoming addicted and more lives ruined. I for one don't share this "if people want to destroy themselves, then let them"-attitude. (Besides, if a person becomes an addict, there is seldom only 1 person who suffers.)
Isn't that a bit 'patronizing' to say, at the least?
Many folks use drugs (alcohol, cigarettes, pot, whatever), for incidental recreational use, without getting into any kind of trouble at all.

Legalizing certain drugs might of course make some of them easier to obtain, but still, the officially legalized drugs make a lot more of casualties than the forbidden ones so far... :shrug:
Forbidding stuff has NEVER ever stopped folks from using it.

It all comes down to proper eduction and information. IMHO.
 
#42 ·
I can only speak about my own experience but drugs are everywhere in Jamaica. The street sale of drugs is a sad pandemic that has corroded society and led to frightening levels of violence. However, possession and use of drugs in Jamaica is strictly illegal and penalties are severe. But legalizing it couldn't solve the problem in term of public health but it could reduce the violence so we can't exclude this possibility.
 
#44 ·
I'm a bit torn on the issue. I'd say that when a drug has become commonplace enough in a society that people use it often and its socially widely accepted, then it should be made legal as in this case illegality is just wasting money. This, I feel, is the case of kannabis/marijuana in most Western civilizations.

However, rarely used drugs, some of which can be very addictive, should perhaps stay illegal as then legalizing might only inspire more use and more lives ruined.

I understand the civil liberties point as well though.
 
#46 ·
To balance the discussion, Marijuana and MDMA have never been solidly proved to do any harm to your physical health. Mental health can be a different story.

For example alcohol and tobacco harm your physical health more than Marijuana does.
You keep telling yourself that. :smoke: it's not true, unfortunately.

Sensible, limited, recreational use of drugs doesn't have to mean one is per sé 'fucking up his/her life'. Just like one can of beer won't harm you all that much, smoking a joint once in while doesn't either. :)
I agree that is the case with some drugs such as cannabis. But there is no such thing as a "sensible, limited, recreational" use of heroin for example..

This thread isn't very sexy 2003...
:worship: :lol:

I used to think this way. But I've seen too much that leaves me shaking my head. It gives me no joy to say it, but education doesn't work.

You know how many young people end up drugged out of their minds or dead?? Did they ALL have bad parents who didn't talk to them about the dangers? Come on. I've seen it happen to people who had great parents.

As I'm typing this, someone in a first-world country is heading out to the club in hopes of getting lucky with a stranger. And they aren't bringing any condoms with them. Now unless you've been living under a rock for 25 years, you know about AIDS (not to mention unwanted pregnancy). They know; they just choose to disregard.

People have unprecedented amounts of information at their fingertips, yet they are now even eating themselves into obesity, disease and death (with legal and healthy substances... like food!).

George Burns smoked for 80 years and lived to be 100. Steven Tyler snorted half of Colombia in the 70s and 80s and he lived.
It won't happen to me. It won't happen to me.


There is no education against this attitude.
I agree with kat. I am a medical student, we are educated people who have studied the issue many times in many different subjects, we are as informed as it gets, and yet you would be surprised to find out how many of us use drugs in a non-sensible and recreational way.
 
#49 ·
You keep telling yourself that. :smoke: it's not true, unfortunately.
Isn't it?

Weed is a natural herb. It doesnt do anything to your physical health.

E doesnt either. The spinal fluid stuff is a myth.

And I dont even do either.
 
#47 ·
I enjoy marijuana but there is always a risk of using it because it is illegal. I'm a pretty frequent user and I don't think it's had any adverse side effects on me because I have a vaporizer for health reasons and I try not to use it if I have a busy schedule. I think it is a dangerous drug because I have seen other college students have their grades drop significantly because of careless use. Nevertheless, the drug itself is relatively harmless, compared to something like alcohol, so I think the illegal status is silly.

Kratom has been another go to drug for me lately. This one is legal, but I try to limit it because it has a physically addictive aspect. It also kills my apatite and I can't sleep while high on it.

Honestly, every drug has some bad aspects but I don't think that should mean the government should throw huge resources at trying to control them, especially if the drug is non addictive or doesn't have a fatal dose.
 
#48 ·
I'm Singaporean. We have some of the strictest and harshest anti-drugs laws in the world with the mandatory death penalty in place for trafficking. While I vehemently oppose the death penalty and the mandatory death penalty for trafficking, I can't complain about the mostly drug-free society that I live in. From my experience, the biggest worry that parents have in general is whether their son would take up smoking in the army (mandatory national service here for boys) - a rather trivial concern compared to other countries where drugs are more easily available. Call me insufferably straight-edged if you must (I would whole-heartedly agree actually); but I am completely unsympathetic to the mostly-Western view on drugs, that 1) it's okay in small doses as long as it doesn't harm the user; and 2) it should be legalised to control distribution. In fact, if I had it my way, I'd ban the living shit out of cigarettes as well.

I don't appreciate a lot of things about my country but I am definitely thankful to live in a relatively drug-free society.
 
#51 ·
You should stick to topics you're an expert in 2003 ie. moustaches, sex and women.
 
#56 ·
Pot should be legalised. As for the others, well heroin I can't stand but it's not going to go away. I'd rather it was done with clean needles and injecting rooms under supervision.
 
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