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#1 ·
Roger Federer reached all four slam finals in 2007, Nadal reached 3 finals and a quarter final.

Roger won the prestigious Tennis Masters Cup. We will have to wait to see if Nadal can win the WTF.

Federer won 8 titles in 2007, including 3 grand slams.

Nadal won 3 grand slams in 2010, including the prestigious RG Wimbledon double. He also won 3 slams in a row.

Both players had interesting slam draws. Federer had to beat world number two Rafael Nadal in Wimbledon final, and a very on fire Djokovic in the US Open. Nadal had to beat Bird Itch in Wimbledon final and a very tired Djokovitch in Us Open final.

2007 was probably Federers least impressive 3 slam season, 2010 was Nadals best season so far one would have to think.

So who had a better season?

Discuss.
The floor is yours. Have at it.
 
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#1,011 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

Roger bagelled Nadal as recently as last year at the WTF. The last (and only) time Nadal bagelled Roger was in 2008. Let's not forget the fact that Roger won their last meeting in Indian Wells. Yeah, Roger getting his ass kicked everytime he meets Nadal is as certain as death. :superlol:
 
#1,015 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

Roger bagelled Nadal as recently as last year at the WTF. The last (and only) time Nadal bagelled Roger was in 2008. Let's not forget the fact that Roger won their last meeting in Indian Wells. Yeah, Roger getting his ass kicked everytime he meets Nadal is as certain as death. :superlol:
Don't you know that those stats are not relevant? The only relevant stat in all tennis is what is your overall H2H vs Nadal. Nothing else truly matters.
 
#1,022 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

Evilbulgaria. Doesn't grasp the simple concept of tennis , and playing styles. She is a run of the mill nadull tard in a unilateral fight with fed , that wouldn't make a difference either way.
Nadull is a grinder that uses a lot of top- spin . Federer is an agressive baseliner .
Nadulls weakness , power players that hit hard and flat . Thus robbing him of "time" to set up his shot. To impart his heavy top spin on the ball.
Federers weakness is balls high on his bh , he cannot hit an effective top spin bh from shoulder height , and player and their style that can get it high on the bh will trouble fed. Not just nadull.
For eg. Fed could not return Agassi kick serve to the bh at the USO 05. Federer has a lot of trouble against rafters kick serve.
Felix mantilla gave him fits on clay by keeping the ball high to his bh.
So in essence if Feds slams are tainted for not facing nadull post 2008 , because his weakness could not be exploited , the same brush can be used to paint nadull.
For starters he didn't play 1 power player en route to his HC slams.
So both fed and Nadulls slams are tainted because they never had an opportunity to overcome there greatest weakness.
That's a silly if argument.
 
#1,042 ·
As a Fed fan I am bothered a lot by Fed h2h against Rafa, not because I think it's a meaningful stat for Fed's legacy but because Rafa denied him so many (more) great achievements. :(
 
#1,043 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)



That's being greedy...
 
#1,062 ·
#1,063 ·
Federer's backhand against Nadal

I was just watching their match in IW this year. As you know, this is a high bouncing surface and a lot of people were expecting Fed to lose because of his known issue of struggling to hit a backhand against Rafa's topspin FH.

Like most one-handers, it's hard for Roger to hit the ball on shoulder height with his BH, but he is forced to do so because he usually insists on hitting the ball from the baseline. I was wondering, do you think that Federer should take a step or two back before hitting this backhand? The point of hitting the ball would then be much lower. Of course this is only relevant when Nadal's shots are deep.

Check out THIS video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ENQRlgAbazU&NR=1

Notice the difference between this BH:
1:56

And those BHs:
9:25
9:33

The first one is kinda 'useless', but the other ones are very low and hit with a lot of pace.
If Federer can hit those backhands regulary, I think it would make his life easier. Note that against Djokovic those kinds of tactics are bound to hurt you because he takes the ball early and uses the opponent's pace, so standing outside the baseline is not recommended. But Nadal created pace himself, and after making this type of aggressive shot, he will usually return a high/short ball.

Anyway, your opinions?
 
#1,064 · (Edited)
Re: Federer's backhand against Nadal

And those BHs:
9:25
9:33
both of these backhands were hit right on the baseline at a low contact point, Federer always excelled at taking care of backhands that low instead of shoulder high, most surfaces and especially clay rarely allow him to be in position to hit such backhands

not to mention hitting this type of backhand requires incredible racquet head speed and therefore needs to be perfectly timed, too easy to shank these backhands if Federer isn't on top of his game on the day and found a great rhythm

Notice the difference between this BH:
1:56
this was a DTL backhand hit on the rise, can't be hit the same way and expect it to stay in court regularly, he also can't keep hitting cross-court all the time otherwise Nadal would camp on that side, he occasionally has to change direction DTL like he did with this one
 
#1,065 ·
Re: Federer's backhand against Nadal

Olderer altered his BH over the years. It used to be a mostly flat drive that he used to go for wild winners and he used to hit amazing CC/DTL shots with it - but it led to a horrendous amount of UE's when pitted against Nadal's monstrous tospin lefty FH. These days, Olderer rarely hits BH winners, instead he has modified it into a more stable, grinding shot, designed to keep him in rallies and minimize errors. I actually applaud his ability to adapt to slower/higher bouncing courts and recognizing that his BH will never become a weapon on them - merely a solid shot that isn't a weakness.
 
#1,070 ·
Re: Federer's backhand against Nadal

Olderer altered his BH over the years. It used to be a mostly flat drive that he used to go for wild winners and he used to hit amazing CC/DTL shots with it - but it led to a horrendous amount of UE's when pitted against Nadal's monstrous tospin lefty FH. These days, Olderer rarely hits BH winners, instead he has modified it into a more stable, grinding shot, designed to keep him in rallies and minimize errors. I actually applaud his ability to adapt to slower/higher bouncing courts and recognizing that his BH will never become a weapon on them - merely a solid shot that isn't a weakness.
You are probably right but I miss those backhand DTL winners he used to it in his prime. :sad:

Now he hits them very rarely...
 
#1,066 ·
Re: Federer's backhand against Nadal

^^
What did you do with T-Doc?
 
#1,069 ·
Re: Federer's backhand against Nadal

Topspintard is praising Federer?

What the...?

So we need Rafa=FedKilla, RafawonRG2011, and those other banned people to rally against now?
So let me get this straight, MTF has become so vile a place that if someone posts an insightful opinion on their favorites nemesis, this somehow is reason for incredulity? Lord forbid any fan posting on these forums ever deviates from the tard stereotype!
 
#1,075 ·
Is Rafael Nadal ducking Roger Federer?

I understand Nadal picked up an injury, but it's now being reported that he'll be 'out' for a longer time than first expected. Understand that this is my take on it and my opinion. You can leave the post right now if you don't agree.

Now, over the last 6 months Federer has improved greatly. So much so that he's putting Novak in his place, again. His shots are so precise and devastating that the ball hits flush and on the line just about every time. He doesn't need muscle or power to hit the balls, he connects cleanly almost effortlessly. At this time we're supposed to believe that Nadal is injured. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. Your drama was all too convenient, and I don't just consider it a coincidence

The fact of the matter is.. Nadal is a mere shell of his former self, deflated as an athlete, on both physical and mental levels. He knows of the danger that awaits him, and he want's nothing to do with it. Federer on the other hand has evolved. Federer flips a switch in his head, and goes in to bullet-time. With matrix type capabilities. Nadal can't compete with that..

I think he's at home watching and thinking to himself, 'I made the right decision'. His family, managers and friends called to tell him, THANK GOD YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE US.

Man up Nadal, I know you're reading this. Dont go into hiding. I give you respect for what you have accomplished thus far, but it's time to step up to the plate. Let's see you test yourself against the real Roger Federer. Roger Federer V2. If not just say you're scared of my boy Federer and that's that. I'll have more respect for you that way, than sitting there in hiding and avoiding the questions everyone has concerning it. Man up, or back down.

With all the dodging you do, I think the Matrix 4 director is looking for a new lead actor, and I think you pretty much got the role locked.
 
#1,079 ·
Re: Is Rafael Nadal ducking Roger Federer?

I understand Nadal picked up an injury, but it's now being reported that he'll be 'out' for a longer time than first expected. Understand that this is my take on it and my opinion. You can leave the post right now if you don't agree.

Now, over the last 6 months Federer has improved greatly. So much so that he's putting Novak in his place, again. His shots are so precise and devastating that the ball hits flush and on the line just about every time. He doesn't need muscle or power to hit the balls, he connects cleanly almost effortlessly. At this time we're supposed to believe that Nadal is injured. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. Your drama was all too convenient, and I don't just consider it a coincidence

The fact of the matter is.. Nadal is a mere shell of his former self, deflated as an athlete, on both physical and mental levels. He knows of the danger that awaits him, and he want's nothing to do with it. Federer on the other hand has evolved. Federer flips a switch in his head, and goes in to bullet-time. With matrix type capabilities. Nadal can't compete with that..

I think he's at home watching and thinking to himself, 'I made the right decision'. His family, managers and friends called to tell him, THANK GOD YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE US.

Man up Nadal, I know you're reading this. Dont go into hiding. I give you respect for what you have accomplished thus far, but it's time to step up to the plate. Let's see you test yourself against the real Roger Federer. Roger Federer V2. If not just say you're scared of my boy Federer and that's that. I'll have more respect for you that way, than sitting there in hiding and avoiding the questions everyone has concerning it. Man up, or back down.

With all the dodging you do, I think the Matrix 4 director is looking for a new lead actor, and I think you pretty much got the role locked.

Derp.
 
#1,080 ·
Re: Is Rafael Nadal ducking Roger Federer?

I understand Nadal picked up an injury, but it's now being reported that he'll be 'out' for a longer time than first expected. Understand that this is my take on it and my opinion. You can leave the post right now if you don't agree.

Now, over the last 6 months Federer has improved greatly. So much so that he's putting Novak in his place, again. His shots are so precise and devastating that the ball hits flush and on the line just about every time. He doesn't need muscle or power to hit the balls, he connects cleanly almost effortlessly. At this time we're supposed to believe that Nadal is injured. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. Your drama was all too convenient, and I don't just consider it a coincidence

The fact of the matter is.. Nadal is a mere shell of his former self, deflated as an athlete, on both physical and mental levels. He knows of the danger that awaits him, and he want's nothing to do with it. Federer on the other hand has evolved. Federer flips a switch in his head, and goes in to bullet-time. With matrix type capabilities. Nadal can't compete with that..

I think he's at home watching and thinking to himself, 'I made the right decision'. His family, managers and friends called to tell him, THANK GOD YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE US.

Man up Nadal, I know you're reading this. Dont go into hiding. I give you respect for what you have accomplished thus far, but it's time to step up to the plate. Let's see you test yourself against the real Roger Federer. Roger Federer V2. If not just say you're scared of my boy Federer and that's that. I'll have more respect for you that way, than sitting there in hiding and avoiding the questions everyone has concerning it. Man up, or back down.

With all the dodging you do, I think the Matrix 4 director is looking for a new lead actor, and I think you pretty much got the role locked.

This forum needs a new age limit. :facepalm:
 
#1,081 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

So there's a Federer 2.0 now?
 
#1,082 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

So there's a Federer 2.0 now?
Federer 1.0 - Pre 2001
Federer 2.0 - Wimbledon 2001 - Roland Garros 2003
Federer 3.0 - Wimbledon 2003 - USO 2003
Federer 4.0 - AO 2004 - USO 2007 (aka JesusFed)
Federer 5.0 - AO 2008 - Wimbledon 2008 (aka MonoFed)
Federer 6.0 - USO 2008 - AO 2010
Federer 7.0 - RG 2010 - RG 2012 (aka Olderer)
Federer 8.0 - Wimbledon 2012 - ???
 
#1,083 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

5.0 and 7.0 are some shitty updates then.
 
#1,088 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

The debate about the two is increasingly meaningless. Nadal will go down as the best clay court player ever. Fed will have the better over all record in his career. That's pretty clear by this point. Nadal will finish with a better head to head against Fed, but the overall record isnt even close between the two any more.
 
#1,089 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

The debate about the two is increasingly meaningless. Nadal will go down as the best clay court player ever. Fed will have the better over all record in his career. That's pretty clear by this point. Nadal will finish with a better head to head against Fed, but the overall record isnt even close between the two any more.
Anymore? :confused:
 
#1,097 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

Fed has played 6 US Open finals v SIX different opponents

has played 7 Masters Cup finals v SEVEN different opponents

lost 2 of those (both choked 5 setters v 2 diff Argies)

8 US Open quarter finals v Agassi, Nalbandian, Roddick, Berdych, Soderling x2, Tsonga, Blake
 
#1,098 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

Why is their even a debate?

17>11
6 or whatever YEC fed has > 0
77 > 45ish
Masters equal, fed has like 200 more weeks at no.1
More finals of GS, more Wimbledons etc etc

This is as one sided as those stupid Schumacher vs fangio debates
 
#1,099 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

I don't think the debate is about 17 vs 11 because the numbers are clear. Federer has achieved more in the primary categories. Nadal has kept pace in the secondary categores.

I believe the debate has more to do with how can Federer be the best ever if he loses over 60% of his matches against his main rival. Roger has an excellent record against the rest of the field. Nadal has a great record against the rest of the field, but not as good as Roger. That being said, Rafa still has a better winning percentage.
 
#1,100 ·
Re: Endless Federer-Nadal debates (WTF vs Olympics)

I don't think the debate is about 17 vs 11 because the numbers are clear. Federer has achieved more in the primary categories. Nadal has kept pace in the secondary categores.
What secondary categories?

I believe the debate has more to do with how can Federer be the best ever if he loses over 60% of his matches against his main rival. Roger has an excellent record against the rest of the field. Nadal has a great record against the rest of the field, but not as good as Roger. That being said, Rafa still has a better winning percentage.
Professional tennis is played mostly on HC, and yet most of Nadal's wins vs Fed (or anyone else) were on clay.
 
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