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Active players with positive H2H against TOP 10?

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#1 ·
Can someone help me with this question? What are the players that have a positive H2H with TOP 10? Where can I find information about that? Maybe Voo could help me :)
I was wondering about that, because last week Janowicz (before playing against Ferrer) had 2:1 H2H against TOP 10. Was it possible that at that moment he was the only player apart from BIG 4 to have a positive H2H with TOP 10? What about Hewitt? What is his H2H? Are there any players that maybe played only once against someone from TOP 10 and won that match?
 
#4 ·
Rosol lost to Tsonga and Ferrer at the start of 2012...
 
#5 ·
What about Hewitt? What is his H2H?
Code:
Djokovic-Hewitt	6-1
Federer-Hewitt	18-8
Murray-Hewitt	1-0
Nadal-Hewitt	6-4
Ferrer-Hewitt	2-1
Berdych-Hewitt	2-0
Del Potro-Hewitt	2-1
Tsonga-Hewitt	3-0
Tipsarevic-Hewitt 1-3
Gasquet-Hewitt	0-2
overall top10-Hewitt 41-20

against the whole top-10 I don't think you will get interesting results other than Janowicz with 3 matches :lol:

but about lower ranked players (not guys like Hewitt or Davydenko with a great past) against one of the top-10, you can have interesting results maybe.
 
#7 ·
overall top10-Hewitt 41-20

against the whole top-10 I don't think you will get interesting results other than Janowicz with 3 matches :lol:

but about lower ranked players (not guys like Hewitt or Davydenko with a great past) against top-10, you can have interesting results maybe.
Thanks for that, but I am looking for stats with TOP 10 in general. Not against the ones that are TOP 10 right now :)
I think that even Hewitt and Davydenko have negative H2H against TOP 10... Roddick is not active player anymore :)
 
#6 ·
Klizan lost to Isner (ATP 10 at that time) in Winstom Salem this year.
 
#14 ·
So only Nadal, Federer, Djokovic and Murray have a positive H2H with TOP 10.
Also Janowicz and Klizan have 50%: Janowicz (2:2) and Klizan (1:1), so at least their H2H is not negative :)
I wonder if there are any other players like Janowicz and Klizan...
 
#17 ·
Shows why a lot of people rate Raonic's hopes of becoming a top player, he is, at number 6, the only non top 10 (past or present) in the top 18 for current players career index.
 
#16 ·
As others have mentioned, this isn't a stat any non-great players will have after a non-negligible # of matches played. Only 13 players in history have a positive % vs top 10 (going by the ATP stats):

Borg, Federer, Nadal, Becker, Lendl, Sampras, McEnroe, Murray, Djokovic, Agassi, Ashe, Kuerten, Connors.

Very impressive for Murray, statistically, he fits the profile of multi-slam legend in many ways (obviously not the most important one).

Some of the best players who DON'T have a positive record:

Wilander (exactly .5), Safin, Hewitt, Stich, Edberg, Nastase, Courier, Rafter, Kafelnikov

One of the most impressive records is Guillermo Canas who has 20-30 for a .4 record. That is extremely high for a player who was never close to being a slam winner.
 
#19 · (Edited)
Some of the best players who DON'T have a positive record:

Wilander (exactly .5), Safin, Hewitt, Stich, Edberg, Nastase, Courier, Rafter, Kafelnikov
Nastase is a special case because the rankings system was only created in the end of 1973, and he had his best years before.

Wilander it would be interesting to see how he rated until the end of 1988 or 1989, because afterwards he was the shadow of what he was before.

I'm most surprised about Edberg.

But generally speaking, I'm not that fond of that ratio against top-10 because some players can be in the top-10 but play badly, and they will only fall from it later ... whereas they may have been better BEFORE entering top-10.

Amirbachar may have ideas on that topic as he also created some specific complicated indexes.

Personally I don't look at ratios against top-10 but a list of 30 players I consider as very good. For instance for long Hewitt was not in the top-10 but still it was harder to beat him than another player who was top-10 ... when he did actually play.

Some players like him or Haas or Baghdatis or even Wawrinka have better stats against best players than their current ranking might let it look.

As for Raonic, his ratio against best players in my stats is comparable to Isner's then I'm not sure exactly what to derive from this for his future : I also think basically that such big servers will tend to be more dangerous for top-players but be more vulnerable against other players ... and that's especially a problem for them in slams (also because they may have longer matches)
 
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