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#1 ·
We include alcohol in here, is jsut as much a drug as anything else. Is just consumed as a drink like many others.

How do you feel about them?

Think they should all be legal? All illegal?

To balance the discussion, Marijuana and MDMA have never been solidly proved to do any harm to your physical health. Mental health can be a different story.

For example alcohol and tobacco harm your physical health more than Marijuana does. MDMA is hard to overdose on accidentally, and well, Marijuana is impossible to OD on.

On the other hand, Meth, Crack, Heroin do tremendous harm and are very fatal in certain quantities.

Whats the laws in your land, and whats your feelings on drugs?
 
#61 ·
I believe weed should be legal, it does less damage to your health than alcohol yet remains regarded as more dangerous for young people.
And I don't whether all those mental effects such as memory/concentration loss are confirmed by any research, it's rather a part of anti-weed propaganda.
If you want to save your own children from getting dumb or addicted, keep them away from alcohol at the firs place.
 
#62 ·
Might as well have em all be legal. As long as they stick to damaging their own health, drug takers might as well have some fun with their highs.

Doing drugs in privacy without affecting the rest of society is fine with me. This includes ordinary *** smoking. Unfortunately people are still allowed to smoke **** in public. This must change. It's more of a problem than the banned drugs IMO.
 
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#63 · (Edited)
Might as well have em all be legal. As long as they stick to damaging their own health, drug takers might as well have some fun with their highs.

Doing drugs in privacy without affecting the rest of society is fine with me. This includes ordinary *** smoking. Unfortunately people are still allowed to smoke **** in public. This must change. It's more of a problem than the banned drugs IMO.
Let's take an example of a legal drug: alcohol. Who cleans up after people following one too many drinks? Hospitals and the police. Alcohol costs NHS £3bn a year (money that could cover 170 000 kidney transplants) and is the cause of over one million visits to hospitals in the UK (source). It's all fine saying that as long as they keep the damage to themseleves but that's based on the presumption that everyone is moderate and sensible, which facts prove isn't the case.

I'm not saying illegalise everything but I'd wish people would think about the consequences on a large scale before being so black and white about their opinions. I think most countries have their hands full with people going awry with alcohol and tobacco already; legalising cocaine, heroin would only serve to increase its users and inevitable addicts - thus serving to be another potential headache for health services etc.
 
#66 ·
You can avoid all the lung cancer issues by taking THC in other ways. Like eating it in cookies/cakes or even drinks.
And the casual joint smoking is not going to be enough to harm your lungs anyway.

Impotence and memory issues, yes you are right.

I just dont really consider those to be up there.

I mean in terms of like Alcohol can actually kill you, give you liver disease, its a poison. Thats what I consider harmfull.

Impotence and memory issues/laziness for sure are negative things. And people need to be aware of it.

But I wouldnt call that harmfull.

Cancer and Liver cirrosis is what id call harmfull, but thats just me.
 
#67 ·
Like I have said before, I am all for cannabis legalization, and I do agree that the way alcohol is being used, it ends up being far more harmful.

I just made that list to alert you that the whole "cannabis is not harmful at all" thing is a myth.
 
#81 ·
You can avoid all the lung cancer issues by taking THC in other ways. Like eating it in cookies/cakes .
I used to make brownies. They were so tasty and I had some of my best ever highs after eating them. I remember one time I ate some and was defrosting a freezer - it felt like I was on an expedition to the arctic :)

Damn, I miss drugs sometimes...
 
#68 ·
By show of hands, who here in this thread is going to start using Heroin if it becomes legal? Anyone? Didn't think so. Just because something is legalized doesn't mean there's going to be a sudden surge and increase of drug use in question -- most people are sensible and reasonable and don't need to be told what to, and not to do. Where is personal responsibility? If people are too dumb, immature, and irrational to be told what personal recreation they can do why stop there? Why not tell them what they can watch, how they're allowed to spend their money, how they're allowed to spend their time, for christ's sake?

By the way, those on the other side, don't be pretentious enough to ask someone for evidence when you have provided zero yourself in regards to what quantity of people, if any, are prevented from drug use via drug laws. All we know for sure is that we have created a massive, billion dollar black market industry and lost billions in prison-care and police enforcement that could be spent on A) education or B) quelling the massive state/national debt that we are burying ourselves under.
 
#70 ·
By show of hands, who here in this thread is going to start using Heroin if it becomes legal? Anyone? Didn't think so. Just because something is legalized doesn't mean there's going to be a sudden surge and increase of drug use in question -- most people are sensible and reasonable and don't need to be told what to, and not to do. Where is personal responsibility? If people are too dumb, immature, and irrational to be told what personal recreation they can do why stop there? Why not tell them what they can watch, how they're allowed to spend their money, how they're allowed to spend their time, for christ's sake?

By the way, those on the other side, don't be pretentious enough to ask someone for evidence when you have provided zero yourself in regards to what quantity of people, if any, are prevented from drug use via drug laws. All we know for sure is that we have created a massive, billion dollar black market industry and lost billions in prison-care and police enforcement that could be spent on A) education or B) quelling the massive state/national debt that we are burying ourselves under.
I highly doubt that the kind of people who would start using heroin if it is legalised are also the kind who would be discussing whether or not drugs should be legalised in an Internet forum.

Also, surely there is a stark difference between drug usage/abuse and what movie to watch on a Saturday night.
 
#69 ·
Appreciated :)

Theres very few things on earth that are totally harmless in certain contexts.

I will say though, most parents these days would rather their kids relaxed somewhere and smoked pot than did alcohol and all its baggage it comes with.

That really says something doesnt it.

In saying that though, once you have kids a lot changes. I mean its hard to imagine being the best parent if your blazed out of your mind all the time.
 
#77 ·
tripwires, I think the situation in Singapore is a bit artificial due to the harsh and, frankly, inhumane punishments. No one should be punished that severely on drug abuse. It's the same as having a capital punishment on obesity in order to solve the obesity epidemic...

If the legislation is changed to a more lenient one, some drugs will likely follow. However are you prepared to have such a legislation in order to keep the society drug-free? It's a harsh deal and, in my opinion, downright infringes human rights.
 
#78 · (Edited)
Actually, the punishment for consumption for first-time offenders is a maximum of 10 years' imprisonment and/or a fine of maximum $20,000. The mandatory death penalty is for trafficking certain types of drugs over a certain limit as stated in the Act and for "lesser" trafficking offences the punishment is jail and caning. I don't agree with these two punishments at all.

In my opinion, the human rights issue enters the picture insofar as we're talking about the punishments for trafficking: the mandatory death penalty is definitely incommensurate with the crime; further, the mandatory death penalty and arguably caning are cruel and unusual punishments. To this extent, I agree with you that our laws are unduly harsh.

That said, I don't believe that the death penalty has a general deterrent effect on any crime and while it may have a limited deterrent effect on drug trafficking in Singapore, I honestly do not believe that removing it as punishment for trafficking would lead to an increased inflow of drugs to Singapore. Same goes for caning. The infrastructure is already in place and it is relatively sound; the main problem with it is the inhumane punishments. One could argue that they are the reason Singapore is generally drugs-free but I definitely have my doubts on the actual deterrent effects of the death penalty.

Also, unlike the death penalty, the jail term for consumption is discretionary (unless the offender is a repeat offender). Sometimes the court sentences an accused drug abuser to reformative training instead of jail, depending on the circumstances. So yeah, we're not murdering drug addicts here, just the traffickers...
 
#92 ·
Agree with the first statement.

Dont know what religion and drugs really have in common though.
 
#90 ·
If someones addicted to a drug - it means that they have to resort to doing all kinds of stuff to get money to buy more - I don't see who gains by making criminals out of them.

In my area you can go out to clubs or bars in the evenings and if you want to get them there's usually someone around selling them anyway.
 
#91 ·
I still remember the first time I got high. Couldn't stop laughing for about half an hour. Everything was funny.

After a shit day at work, it's so easy to get pissed off at your room-mates over the pettiest little things. A dirty kitchen, a trash-bag, a bad light bulb, a leaf on the floor - everything is annoying.

All it takes is a few deep puffs and none of that matters. Seriously, the world would be so much more peaceful if people smoked more weed.
 
#96 ·
The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html#ixzz1mC9F1Pk9
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#99 ·
Yeah, come on Machado & Gil, come in here and tell us how it is about drugs
 
#102 ·
Any MTF members celebrating 420? Is that just an American thing or is this a counterculture holiday all over the world?

Funny video of what the kids at University of Colorado at Boulder did in 2011 for 4/20. The college and the police will be shutting them down this year by spreading fish fertilizer all over the lawns...


I personally will not be partaking in the informal holiday because I have quit smoking to pass drug test for employment :( Nevertheless, I'm sure most of my college housemates will be stoned out of their minds and probably most of the college students here.

So happy 420 to all of the MTF members that will celebrate it!
 
#108 ·
I agree. Drugs are actually beneficial to an extent, however only dangerous when overdosed, and people border beyond stupidity to even try that. Hell, overdosing on anything, be it food, exercise, sleep, playing games, etc... is bad for you. Humans lack a fundamental trait. And that is discipline. We are garbage at it.
 
#109 ·
I agree. Drugs are actually beneficial to an extent, however only dangerous when overdosed, and people border beyond stupidity to even try that. Hell, overdosing on anything, be it food, exercise, sleep, playing games, etc... is bad for you. Humans lack a fundamental trait. And that is discipline.
Blasphemy.
 
#110 ·
Lies :eek:. Don't deny it Doc :devil:.

Anyways, people argue that "what makes drugs dangerous is that they're addictive, and that's what makes it lethal". So what? Anything that makes us feel good is addictive. For instance; you wonder why there are fat people (no offence), and there are quite a few bunch of losers who spend their entire lives playing games and getting computer rage every 2 seconds. Addiction is a different ball game altogether. Let me repeat it again, Anything that makes us feel good is addictive. It's too bad that most drugs are lethal when too much of them are taken. Don't blame the drug, blame your addiction for things that "make you feel good".
 
#112 ·
Agreed. If you have a vice it will be somehow addicting to you. I think I was addicted to marijuana because I used it almost every day, but luckily this was only a mental addiction. Anything can be mentally addicting. I had a job interview last week and was told to expect a job offer soon, which made me both excited and nervous, but it was obvious what I had to do...quit and let time take its toll. I just stopped using it and it was that simple...no withdrawal symptoms, nothing. One just need the right mindset to stop something that is mentally addicting.

Three of my friends just smoked in celebration of 420 and I sat with them on the porch while they were passing the bong around. Yes, some drugs can actually be addicting and people should avoid the situation. You won't see recovering heroin addicts sit around with their friends while they shoot-up. In fact my neighbors are recovering alcoholics and I think they feel very uncomfortable in the presence of alcohol. My parents invited them over a few times and they seemed offended when my parents asked them if they wanted to drink. I think this was a strange concept for my Ukrainian parents to understand as alcohol use is so common in our country and alcoholism to them seems like a lack of self-control.
 
#111 ·
But there are certain substances in drugs and tobacco that induce addiction. It's a bit different from some random loser who has no life and is addicted to an online forum or whatever; the online forum doesn't per se invite you to become addicted. I get your point but I think addictive substances are slightly different than computer games/sex/MTF/etc.
 
#113 ·
What I'm seeing with this argument is that there are various stimuli that evokes different level of fun/pleasure/happiness (whatever you want to call it). I believe that, the more "fun" a stimuli is, the more addictive it is. Just so happens that drugs are generally "more pleasurable" than say food perhaps. I believe it's the substance or chemicals (better word to use) in drugs provide that incredible kick of pleasure (not necessarily the addiction). Different levels of addiction is dependent across how "fun" or "pleasurable" something is. The relationship is proportional.
 
#114 ·
Well some drugs are actually addictive. I personally would not legalize something like a heroin or cocaine, but my problem is that the "war on drugs" in the US is really a war on weed, something that is more harmless and less addictive than alcohol. So much money is being spent on people who are indeed just addicted to fun and the experience of THC, not the actual chemical.

Drug tests are a perfect example of how the US is targeting marijuana users. A dangerous drug like heroin or cocaine will remain in your system for 1-4 days, but THC is one of the few drugs that is fat soluble and can stay in your system for a long time (the other fat soluble drug I know of is PCP which is very dangerous but use is rare). This policy is not protecting the people from anything. It's good that it is becoming decriminalized which keeps innocent people out of jail, but legalization is the only way the government would finally be able to regulate the drug and keep it out of the hands of children. I heard about of group of students who bought 4 ounces of marijuana today, let me tell you, this would not be possible if the government could regulate sales. It's honestly easier to get marijuana than for an underaged person to get alcohol.
 
#118 ·
Exactly. "Addiction" is psychological.

If it wasn't psychological, then you wouldn't have people quitting drugs or cigarettes, or even fat people losing weight and becoming fit. It takes time, but if you can keep psyching yourself out of it, addiction can be rid of before it becomes fatal.

Again, discipline is what we lack.

Going back to topic; whether or not we legalize drugs, I could hardly give a shit.
 
#121 ·
I blazed all day, but I haven't since. 3 days now sober, haven't done that since.....:scratch:

If everyone knew how it feels to be on MDMA this would be an amazing world.

Basically the only drug I would recommend to other people.
I did X a few times in late high school, early college, it is indeed fucking amazing, some of the best times of my life. But the come down is a bitch, depression can set in, it ain't easy.

I personally think that all drugs should be legal. The most surefire way of getting people to do something is to tell them they can't do it. Look at Portugal. They legalized everything, and the usage remained basically the same, but the amount of people seeking help for drug addiction increasing substantially.

The people? Let them eat cake, let them smoke, pop, and snort what they want. I don't believe in government telling people they can and cannot do things in the privacy of their own home, so long of course they are not harming others. Besides, the government has no problem selling cancer sticks (cigarettes) and alcohol and are in bed with the tobacco and alcohol companies, getting a cut on every 6 pack and carton. How many people do you hear dying from lung or liver cancer every year? How many people do you hear dying from accidents due to drunk driving? A shitload! Now tell me how many people have died from smoking too much weed? NONE!
 
#120 ·
If everyone knew how it feels to be on MDMA this would be an amazing world.

Basically the only drug I would recommend to other people.
 
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