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David Ferrer Is Playing In Both Doha & Auckland In 2013

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#1 ·
Didn't make a research but I don't think that any World No.5 has ever played back to back tournaments prior to the Australian Open.

Definetely not a reasonable thing to do before a two-week Grand Slam. Especially if you're No.5 in the world.

Anyway, we don't call him Vulture for no reason though.
 
#3 ·
Anyway, we don't call him Vulture for no reason though.
it will bring him ZERO ATP point.

I think Doha made pressure on him because they didn't have Fed, Djokovic and Tsonga play Hopman cup (money ;) ), Murray Brisbane like last year, Berdych Chennai, Del Po never plays that week, and Nadal was not enough then they made pressure on Ferrer ... and proposed him a lot of money ;)

And yes, money is surely important for Ferrer when he's at his best markettable potential. Same thing happened when Verdasco or Almagro were ranked highly, or with Tipsarevic ... they take benefit when they can.

Will it be good for him in Australia ? the question is opened, but I think he felt great in the end of last year (see Davis cup final) and has good hopes in Australia where the surface is good for him.

Corretja said he could do something in the Australian open and I agree with him that he has indeed the potential, I know some in this forum will maugh at it :rolleyes: but he gave many difficulties there to Djokovic, Murray and Nadal in recent years.

On a more genral point of view, with all these ATP tournaments + the big exho tournaments in that period, and Australia and Middle-East now seem to offer a lot of money for tennis, there is indeed a lot of competition to attract top-players in that period.
 
#4 ·
And should Ferru have an early exit in either of those tournaments, OP would probably say better player won, unlike in Paris where e.g. Berdy and Tsonga tanked.

But yeah, worrying to see him play that much before AO. He'll also play the Abu Dhabi exho before Doha.
 
#5 ·
and the 5th slam aka Abu Dhabi
 
#6 ·
Ferrer always plays the week before a Slam. Nothing new here.
 
#39 · (Edited)
real no.2 :worship:

at least he's getting rest in the off season
he withdrew from that federer exhibition

whereas the swiss keeps pounding tennis all over south america for money (mind i don't say it's a bad thing, djokovic also plays ridiculous exhibitions) - so no wonder they have no energy to play in doha and in auckland
:worship:
 
#8 ·
NID :zzz:






I'm just surprised Vulture isn't playing Brisbane, Sydney and Chennai too, but it is probably related with the apperance of good players in those tournaments, we know how he doesn't like them.
 
#9 ·
Richard too (but in combo w//Sydney, closer to AO site)
Richie will fight for his #10 ranking in 2013:armed:
 
#10 ·
Good decision. If he is fit enough, why wouldn't he?
At least one title is a lock, so despite 250 Auckland points dropping, he will keep his ranking nice and secure with (at least) 2 ATP 250 wins in the non-countable section.
This will also be a good opportunity to gain some confidence against Nadal for AO, just in case.

If we look at the rankings:

Nadal is ahead by 290 points.
Fourth seed for AO unlikely (if even possible), but here is what they are defending up to RG:

Nadal: 1200 + 360 + 360 + 1000 + 500 + 90 + 1000 = 4510.
Ferrer: (250*) + 360 + (250*) + 500 + 45 + 180 + (10*) + 300 + 180 + 360 = 1925 (2435*)
*Note that some of Ferrer's points are non-countable.

I know this is a little far away, but since there is such a small gap between them and such a big difference in the points they have to defend, Ferrer is for me the favorite to have the #4 seed for RG.
Of course he could get stuck with Federer/Nadal which would suck, but if he is lucky enough to end up with Murray and Djokovic in his half, it could make a huge difference.

My apologies for getting a little off topic, though. Best of luck, David. I sure hope I can watch it all closely :)
 
#12 ·
Good decision. If he is fit enough, why wouldn't he?
At least one title is a lock, so despite 250 Auckland points dropping, he will keep his ranking nice and secure with (at least) 2 ATP 250 wins in the non-countable section.
Ferrer will not lose (and get) any optional ATP point before Acapulco tournament (then Barcelona then Rosmalen).

As for the comparison in points between Nadal and Ferrer, that's a topic which has been heavily discussed, there was a topic "post-AO draws will be a lottery" where I put all of the numbers : yes Ferrer has a good chance of getting number 4, maybe even number 3, in the first half of next year.

I also posted something more general for the points in next months (it was before the DC final then add 150 points for Ferrer and 75 for Berdych) :

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=12557032&postcount=798
 
#13 ·
The world no. 1 Sampras played in both Doha and Sydney ahead of the Australian Open in 1994. Although at Doha he showed up, received a large appearance fee, and then tanked his 1st round match against Alami. He did win both the Sydney and Australian Open titles though.

Hewitt played in both Adelaide and Sydney in 2005 as the world no. 3, and again in 2006 as the world no. 4. Then again Adelaide was his home city event and understandably he wanted to support both of the smaller Australian events.
 
#14 ·
David is a physical beast, so he should be fine. Also, he loves his tennis so he can play as much as he wants.
 
#15 ·
Vulture :eek:

(Oh wait, but he doesn't get any points from Auckland :confused:)

(And he probably won't win Doha anyway :confused:)

He has to try to win as many points as possible so he can surpass Dull in the rankings, but he won't most likely get any points here :confused:

David :eek: He likes playing tennis too much
 
#17 ·
Stop bitching about this vulturing thing. So what if he plays all this tournaments? Well done to him he can keep the good level of tennis from the beggining to the end of a long season by playing so many tournaments. I don't see what the problem is.
There is no problem. It's just that some MTF members have this very interesting ability to see things that don't even exist.
 
#18 ·
at least he's getting rest in the off season
he withdrew from that federer exhibition

whereas the swiss keeps pounding tennis all over south america for money (mind i don't say it's a bad thing, djokovic also plays ridiculous exhibitions) - so no wonder they have no energy to play in doha and in auckland
 
#22 ·
Twas the night before AO, when all through the tour,
Not a top player was playing, for their talent was pure
The racquets were hung in their bags with care
With AO in sight, and hopes to play well there

The players were nestled, all snug in their beds
While visions of grand slams danced in their heads
Navratilova was quiet, Mcenroe so too,
All were prepared to begin the season anew

When out on the courts, there arose such a clatter,
From a "top" player pushing, his points getting fatter
This high-end vulture exited Doha in a flash
But, alas! He swooped down on Auckland in a dash

This little old pusher, so lively and quick
I knew for a moment, it's that mug named Pics
More rapid than eagles, his vulturing came,
He whistled,and shouted "vamos" after only one game!

Like dry leaves this vulture would fly
If he met any real obstacle, he'd merely mount to the sky
On to the next weak draw, this vulture mug-flew
To find the next prey whom he could push through
 
#28 ·
:worship:

Beautiful, inspiring, the kind of poetry that really touches one's soul :D

Amazing stuff :yeah:
 
#34 ·
Well if he go far in Doha (and he should, at least a final appereance), he better withdraw from Auckland. I personally didn´t expect him to sign in Auckland and it isn´t a sure thing he will play there.
 
#35 ·
Yeah right :lol:

The Vulture is relentless, he will play both tournaments and then some.
 
#36 ·
Now we know it's not for the points. It's for the money :zzz:
 
#38 ·
Didn't make a research but I don't think that any World No.5 has ever played back to back tournaments prior to the Australian Open.

Definetely not a reasonable thing to do before a two-week Grand Slam. Especially if you're No.5 in the world.

Anyway, we don't call him Vulture for no reason though.
Just from memory:

Djokovic #3, 2009, played Brisbane and Sydney (late wild card for Sydney).
Hewitt, #4 2006, played Adelaide and Sydney.
Moya, #5, 2005, Won Chennai, 1st round loss Sydney (also played both in 2004 when #7).
Hewitt, #3, 2005, played Adelaide and won Sydney (also played both in 2001 when #7).
 
#40 ·
haha you kind of have to love David's worth ethic, the guy is like the energizer bunny, he never stops. can anyone name a match they remember where David Ferrer was noticably tired or slow? don't think 2 pre major tournaments will hurt him at all at AO, he's fresh every day
 
#41 ·
Ferrer is one cunning vulture, he knows how to pick his fights.
- "Doha weak draw? Only "coming from injury" Nadal there? I'm on it! Perfect opportunity to destroy Rafa just before I overtake him in the rankings and justify my new highest ranked spanish title."




You think the majority of the other pros don't have a great work ethic?
 
#53 ·
don't be retarded, David Ferrer is obviously one of the hardest workers on tour just look at the # of tournaments he plays. if you know anything about tennis maybe you would recognize that the only way he can be #5 in the rankings without huge masters/grand slam results is working very hard in many smaller tournaments which he has been named a vulture for

vulture or not, YES, he works harder than most players on tour. included DC finals he had the most # of matches played
Which lack of Masters/Grand Slam results do you mean? The two GS QF's and two SF's or his Masters title in Paris?

Without his results in smaller tournaments he would still be world number 5.
 
#63 ·
Which lack of Masters/Grand Slam results do you mean? The two GS QF's and two SF's or his Masters title in Paris?

Without his results in smaller tournaments he would still be world number 5.
the reality is almost every single season David Ferrer's ranking DEPENDS on smaller tournaments. you can't take one season (2012) where he did better than usual at Grand Slams and by winning a masters and suddenly make that the 'norm'. you are mistaken, the majority of his seasons on tour, his ranking would be dramatically dramatically lower without his results outside the big tournaments. there is quite a stagnant difference between QF points in a grand slam vs. a final after all. I love David, but there is a reason he is claimed to be a 'vulture', quite straight forwardly because he does so well and accumlates so many points in small events
 
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