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04-19-2016 11:06 AM
Arsenalex
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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Originally Posted by Kateoz View Post
Ok I didn't realise the draw worked that way. But Spain is a pretty bad worse case scenario (assuming their fight with their Federation has now been resolved!) don't you think?
Yeah I really hope we don't get Spain, though it feels like we will. I'm sure after years of obscurity they'll field a very good squad to get back. If they beat Romania of course.

Then again, we could also face Colombia/Chile, South Korea/India or China/Uzbekistan so it's all just speculation for now. It would certainly convenient if we didn't have to play a European team, their Group I teams are quite good, Spain, Austria, Russia and Slovakia are all teams that could cause us some trouble.
04-19-2016 10:52 AM
Kateoz
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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Not really. We play a group 1 team because we were WG. So worst case, Spain or Austria
Ok I didn't realise the draw worked that way. But Spain is a pretty bad worse case scenario (assuming their fight with their Federation has now been resolved!) don't you think?
04-19-2016 10:18 AM
Arsenalex
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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2-3 would have been understandable 0-3 less so!

The women are currently a lot higher ranked than the men were when we fought our way back from the outer darkness - remember when Bernie and Lleyton were both ranked in the 50s, and Nick played the doubles and dead rubber ranked 186...

And keep in mind that in the playoffs this year we could get Switzerland (with the risk that Fed and/or Stan could turn up), Japan (Nishikori), Canada (Raonic). All it would take is for Nick not to turn up again and the men too could be in severe danger of relegation.
Not really. We play a group 1 team because we were WG. So worst case, Spain or Austria
04-17-2016 10:12 PM
Dmitry Verdasco
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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2-3 would have been understandable 0-3 less so!

The women are currently a lot higher ranked than the men were when we fought our way back from the outer darkness - remember when Bernie and Lleyton were both ranked in the 50s, and Nick played the doubles and dead rubber ranked 186...

And keep in mind that in the playoffs this year we could get Switzerland (with the risk that Fed and/or Stan could turn up), Japan (Nishikori), Canada (Raonic). All it would take is for Nick not to turn up again and the men too could be in severe danger of relegation.
Let's not though... our Fed Cup team didn't float away into zonals for years either.
04-17-2016 07:37 PM
Kateoz
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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Originally Posted by Dmitry Verdasco View Post
Not surprising at all, the best I expected was a 2-3 loss tbh. Gavrilova's form took a sharp dive post AO, Dellaqua is no good at the moment, same with Wolfe, Arina is not a very imposing doubles player.

I did expect Stosur to atleast win a match, but she lost both of her matches 7-5 in the third

They need to expand the World Group to 16 teams though... even if Round 1 is 4 x Round Robin groups, and 3 matches per tie. Top team makes SF. Looking at Fed Cup rankings and USA, Romania, Spain, Serbia, Canada, Poland and Slovakia are outside the TOP 8 - there's easily enough depth for a 16 team world group.
2-3 would have been understandable 0-3 less so!

The women are currently a lot higher ranked than the men were when we fought our way back from the outer darkness - remember when Bernie and Lleyton were both ranked in the 50s, and Nick played the doubles and dead rubber ranked 186...

And keep in mind that in the playoffs this year we could get Switzerland (with the risk that Fed and/or Stan could turn up), Japan (Nishikori), Canada (Raonic). All it would take is for Nick not to turn up again and the men too could be in severe danger of relegation.
04-17-2016 12:23 PM
Dmitry Verdasco
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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And the glorious new era of Australian tennis continues with the women out of the world group in their play-offs. Hope that isn't the shape of things to come for the men...
Not surprising at all, the best I expected was a 2-3 loss tbh. Gavrilova's form took a sharp dive post AO, Dellaqua is no good at the moment, same with Wolfe, Arina is not a very imposing doubles player.

I did expect Stosur to atleast win a match, but she lost both of her matches 7-5 in the third

They need to expand the World Group to 16 teams though... even if Round 1 is 4 x Round Robin groups, and 3 matches per tie. Top team makes SF. Looking at Fed Cup rankings and USA, Romania, Spain, Serbia, Canada, Poland and Slovakia are outside the TOP 8 - there's easily enough depth for a 16 team world group.
04-17-2016 11:52 AM
Kateoz
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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At least, regardless of results this year, the DC team look to have the talent to stay in the WG (not accounting for injuries/bans) over the next couple of years. Fed Cup, with arguably their best possible team, don't look anywhere close to WG level, their loss was NID.
I guess. Though will depend on who turns up...
04-17-2016 08:21 AM
B.kelly123
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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And the glorious new era of Australian tennis continues with the women out of the world group in their play-offs. Hope that isn't the shape of things to come for the men...
At least, regardless of results this year, the DC team look to have the talent to stay in the WG (not accounting for injuries/bans) over the next couple of years. Fed Cup, with arguably their best possible team, don't look anywhere close to WG level, their loss was NID.
04-17-2016 07:33 AM
Kateoz
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

And the glorious new era of Australian tennis continues with the women out of the world group in their play-offs. Hope that isn't the shape of things to come for the men...
03-09-2016 10:18 AM
Kateoz
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

Greg Baum's (Fairfax)written a really great piece on all of this:

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In his last match as a player in January, Lleyton Hewitt branded a linesman a "moron" and "f--king cheat" and said this to an umpire: "You're a friggin' idiot." As Davis Cup captain, Hewitt now oversees and counsels Bernard Tomic, who on Sunday said this to Hewitt: "Nick's sitting down in Canberra. Bullshit he's sick. He's faking it." Tomic was talking about Nick Kyrgios, who became infamous last August when he said this to opponent Stan Wawrinka: "Kokkanakis banged your girlfriend, sorry to tell you that mate." Four months later, Kyrgios was fined again for an on-court obscenity.

In the hands of these various charmers, Australia's Davis Cup future now resides. Their period of custody got off to a rocky start at the weekend with defeat at the hands of the US at Kooyong, eliminating Australia from this year's competition and confronting them with a tricky path next year. Already, Tennis Australia must be beginning to wonder if it made the right decision in installing Hewitt as captain. That ticking sound is so loud you would struggle to hear an obscenity over it.

For the defeat, there are excuses. For the attitude, there are none, except the lamest of all, frustration at a losing position. Typically, young players struggle to deal gracefully with this. The teenaged Hewitt was especially obnoxious. In time, he channelled all his energies, pure and malign, into what became a decorated and admired career, but the sense that everyone in the tennis world was in some sort of unholy conspiracy against him never quite left him; witness his finale.

Just turned 35, and one month retired after 20 years of non-stop playing, he still has a player's sensibilities. Indeed, momentarily he was a player in this tie, because of the injury to Kyrgios of which Tomic was so sceptical. At times while trying to jolly Tomic along in the decisive rubber, Hewitt appeared to be more into the match than Tomic, so much that the Americans would have been within their rights to demand a count of players on the Australian side of the net.

While still sitting among players, Hewitt must somehow sit above players. While still biting his tongue on bilious utterings, he must deal with one player who cannot help but run off at the mouth and one who barely even bothers to try to help himself, and who are now bickering like schoolboys. Hewitt might be able to empathise, but can he impose, when so very recently he was down among the potty mouths himself?

Hewitt is passionate about Davis Cup and is a favourite son, but has no experience of coaching and no qualifications to speak of, and has had not a second's remove from the game to take in a coach's perspective; even while slogging away at his last tournament as a player, he was dwelling on his first as a coach. It is an unbalanced CV. AFL has learnt that favourite sons with minimal certification and/or no period of separation from the game flounder. Most recently, it ended badly for Michael Voss and James Hird, while Nathan Buckley remains on a watershed.

The least that is clear is that there is more to coaching than playing well and then stopping. AFL has established four levels of coaching qualifications, and the fourth and highest covers, to quote operations manager Mark Evans, "rules, regulations, governance, integrity, government relations, the economy of the game, quality coaching practice, strategic communications, media training and ethical leadership". It might be a bit wordy and dry, but at least it expletive-free.

Tennis is not AFL, of course, and the Davis Cup is not the premiership race. The captain's job is part time, and parter still for the rest of this year. Tennis really has only favourite sons from whom to pick; all of Hewitt's predecessors were well-loved players. But whereas mostly they were appointed to the post, to all intents and purposes Hewitt, with the connivance of TA, assumed it. What could go wrong: the best performed Davis Cup player of all in charge of the brightest crop of young talent in a decade or so?

But, already, Murphy's law has asserted itself with a vengeance. Injury, an inconvenient schedule, difficult and precious personalities, internal politics spilling into the public arena. None of these problems can be solved merely by running down an extra ball on the baseline, and yet now they are the baseliner's problems to solve, while still half in the baseliner's frame of mind. He has good people around him, but ultimately he must accept responsibility; no longer can it be devolved onto a cheating, moronic linesman or a friggin' idiot of an umpire.
Swearing by the Davis Cup won't win it
03-07-2016 02:40 AM
scotthongkong
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

TA would have known well in advance that Oliver Anderson had torn his hip at the Open so there was plenty of time to replace the youngster with an able bodied replacement.
03-07-2016 02:33 AM
RustyOz
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

Can only suggest an answer to one of the questions - the rest TA most probably don't even have on their radar:
4. Oliver Anderson was in attendance as the orange boy, so the other youngsters were not invited. Normally they only have the one player.

Also add to the question list
7. Where was Josh Eagle; when did Stoltenberg get the nod as DC coach (or have I missed something.
8. I am pretty sure the doctor/physio person was Lleyton's ex-personal physio. How'd he get the gig?

Matty Reid - what a laugh, great for him and it looked like he was enjoying himself - but again how and why?
03-06-2016 06:59 PM
Kateoz
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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Originally Posted by scotthongkong View Post
I have some questions to raise as a result of this weekend's Davis cup action.

1. How does Lleyton Hewitt continue to have Peter Luczak on the TA payroll now that he is 'retired'?
2. Why was Matt Reid there at Kooyong if for any other reason that he is a friend of Hewitt's?
3. Where was John Millman and why was he not selected initially over a non performing Sam Groth?
4. Why was a youngster such as Polmans or Mott not there for the experience?
5. Who is Hewitt accountable too or is her beyond all that?
6. Will TA try and deflect the fallout from the player's infighting or is this just a natural result of the behaviour they see around them all the time?
All good questions.
03-06-2016 06:42 PM
scotthongkong
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

I have some questions to raise as a result of this weekend's Davis cup action.

1. How does Lleyton Hewitt continue to have Peter Luczak on the TA payroll now that he is 'retired'?
2. Why was Matt Reid there at Kooyong if for any other reason that he is a friend of Hewitt's?
3. Where was John Millman and why was he not selected initially over a non performing Sam Groth?
4. Why was a youngster such as Polmans or Mott not there for the experience?
5. Who is Hewitt accountable too or is her beyond all that?
6. Will TA try and deflect the fallout from the player's infighting or is this just a natural result of the behaviour they see around them all the time?
03-06-2016 07:29 AM
Kateoz
Re: The Everything Davis Cup Thread (News, Articles, Live Scores)

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Originally Posted by Dmitry Verdasco View Post
I think Kyrgios, Tomic or Kyrgios winning/going deep in slams will make more impact with Australian fans than a Davis Cup. No one knows about it barely. It's really not a priority to casual fans.
Only because we haven't made a final. Australian love winning things, and champion of the world is always a winner here.

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Originally Posted by B.kelly123 View Post
It could be argued that ATM, Australia (with a full team) is better placed to make a DC final, with resulting positive press, than Kyrgios, Tomic or Kokkinakis is to make a slam final.
Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Dmitry Verdasco View Post
IMO we remain an outside chance. When we play Serbia, GB or Switzerland, we can bank on losing 2 ties and we don't have a strong consistent doubles team. Not only that, but Kokkinakis & Kyrgios are obviously prone to injury (Kyrgios being the one most likely to take a tie from a Federer, Djokovic, Berdych etc. tbh)So who knows.
I'm not so convinced that we will automatically lose two ties - our guys are improving fast. Have to see how Kokk does on return, but could well mount a serious challenge to the top guys as well. We've got a pool of three established singles players and more rising fast as a backup. We've got plenty of potential to build a strong doubles team around Peers.
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