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05-01-2010 10:02 PM
philosophicalarf
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Originally Posted by duong View Post
because that's also their ranking for mental and consistency, which are hugely important in modern tennis.

By the way, in the same generation there's also a fourth very powerful baseliner, the biggest ballbasher a little bit ahead of Gulbis (when I talk about bashes) : it's Korolev

Seems to be going backwards though :-( Also he doesn't have the same serve platform Gulbis does - either in first serve bombs, first serve %, or the second serve penetration. Against Volandri he'd have lost but for that, as the groundstroke errors started spraying the serve stayed strong.
05-01-2010 09:40 PM
Commander Data
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

Del Potro is mentally strongest and has the best ground strokes. Potro has a Slam
05-01-2010 09:19 PM
duong
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

I'm surprised that people say that Gulbis moves better than the other two.

He's smaller but I don't see his movement as better.

Also DelPo's big quality is that when he's not well positioned on the ball, he's still able to hit a good shot, whereas Gulbis just doesn't know what to do when he's not in a good position (it's what happened in the end today against Nadal when he made those strange dropshots, imo because he didn't know what to do)

Gulbis is the most powerful, best serve (zapart from dropshots, I think he has rather less variety and point thinking than the others ),

Cilic the most elegant,

but apart from that, Del Potro has the strongest mental, consistency, maybe not movement but at least the best defense and ability to play when he's not well positioned on the ball.

When you're better in all of these fields mental-consistency-movement-defense, you have a strong advantage

I also think people underrate Del Potro's ability for volleys : he's less elegant than Cilic and Gulbis but quite as effective : he can be trusted on this shot, whereas Gulbis abuses kinds of drop volleys and doesn't really know what to do with the ball.

I always think it's very important to be effective on volley and do the right shot : for instance Tsonga isconsidered as a good volleyer while he often makes a bad choice, esp kinds of short volleys which is not short enough for the opponent.

I find Del Potro esp effective even though not elegant on that shot.

But Cilic has the best volley of the three imo.

When you see Del Potro play against Cilic, you see how similar they are ... but what usually makes the difference in favour of Del Potro is both the mental and the defense.

To conclude in my opinion :

Del Potro > Cilic > Gulbis

because that's also their ranking for mental and consistency, which are hugely important in modern tennis.

By the way, in the same generation there's also a fourth very powerful baseliner, the biggest ballbasher a little bit ahead of Gulbis (when I talk about bashes) : it's Korolev

He might also make a few good results in the future.
05-01-2010 06:47 PM
DJ Soup
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Originally Posted by philosophicalarf View Post
Yes, clearly.
rocketassist seems to differ
*chuckles*
05-01-2010 06:34 PM
philosophicalarf
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Originally Posted by DJ Soup View Post
so, that's a huge talent he has.
Yes, clearly.
05-01-2010 05:54 PM
analysist
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Originally Posted by rocketassist View Post
Gulbis has the most variety by FAR, but is also the most basher-like, but he's not one dimensional.

Cilic strikes the ball well but doesn't possess much of a plan B. Some nice touch on him though. Better than Del Pony though.

Del Potro is the least talented. One dimensional basher who just whacks it down the middle- those praising him for his 'aggressive tennis' make me laugh, it's not like he's a risk taker Worst slam winner ever. Him or Faker. It's close.

2-2-2 at the US Open Semi vs Rafito a.k.a Matador Clay Goat
6-2 last set in the final against ultimate perfect player a.k.a GOAT chance-holder in the surface that he never lose Clay Death, and won 5 consecutive titles
is he that lucky ?s

Gulbis is far from Delpo, the only thing he can compare Delboy is the server
05-01-2010 05:41 PM
Goldenoldie
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

Del Potro is a winner, the other two are losers.
Kindergarten argument
05-01-2010 05:24 PM
brent-o
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

Um, let's not get carried away with throwing Gulbis in with Cilic and Del Potro. He had one good tournament, but how quickly we forget how unbelievably bad he was for the last few months...

But I suppose to weigh in on the topic, Del Potro is an incredibly consistent heavy-hitter, Marin less so, and Gulbis even less so.
05-01-2010 05:12 PM
DJ Soup
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Originally Posted by philosophicalarf View Post
I guess it depends how you define risk. For him, that net clearance really isn't much of a gamble - his error rate is extraordinary given how hard and flat he hits it.
so, that's a huge talent he has.
05-01-2010 04:27 PM
Guy Haines
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

These three all (I hope) have their best moments ahead. Along with Nadal and absent Simon, they're my favorite players on tour.

It's great to see Ernests play smart, inspired tennis. His success on clay involves more than just wacking the ball left and right. Novak could learn from his well-timed use of the drop shot.
05-01-2010 03:50 PM
quiron
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Originally Posted by Certinfy View Post
comparing del potro to those 2 mugs is disgraceful...
05-01-2010 03:47 PM
philosophicalarf
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Originally Posted by tennishero View Post
sorry but i disagree, i think he takes a lot of risk by hitting his huge flat groundstrokes.
I guess it depends how you define risk. For him, that net clearance really isn't much of a gamble - his error rate is extraordinary given how hard and flat he hits it.
05-01-2010 02:45 PM
paseo
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Originally Posted by Har-Tru View Post
The three of them are rather dull, DPot especially. BANG hard to the right, BANG hard to the left, BANG hard to the right...
Yeah. Of course it's a lot nicer to watch BANG moonball to the right, BANG moonball to the left, BANG moonball to the right...

Sorry, couldn't resist.
05-01-2010 10:49 AM
Certinfy
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

comparing del potro to those 2 mugs is disgraceful...
05-01-2010 10:39 AM
tennishero
Re: Gulbis - Del Potro - Cilic

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Originally Posted by malisha View Post
its not a bad thing that he takes less risk in his game than the other two

but its a fact
sorry but i disagree, i think he takes a lot of risk by hitting his huge flat groundstrokes.

this is fact:

[youtube]-Bj9YrvSJwo[/youtube]

look at 2:20 lol
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