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09-10-2010 06:42 PM
allpro
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

yes bg can get caught up in hyperbole, but for the most part he provides excellent insights and adds some much needed humor to the telecasts.
09-10-2010 06:39 PM
Roddickominator
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

Everybody seems better because everybody can hit 100 mph forehands and pass off both wings due to improved string technology. If you tried that 15 years ago, only those with great technique and timing would be able to pull it off....which would level things out quite a bit. In response, a bunch of those players would have gone the serve-and-volley route(or actual skilled S&V players would have taken their place) and IMO the players overall would be looked at comparably in terms of skill level.
09-10-2010 03:31 PM
Everko
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

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Originally Posted by BodyServe View Post
What's next? Amateur players today are better than players ranked 200th 15 years ago?
maybe
09-09-2010 11:45 PM
BodyServe
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

What's next? Amateur players today are better than players ranked 200th 15 years ago?
09-09-2010 10:09 PM
Osomec
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

I should think that is about right. It is inherently unlikely that the larger talent pool, greater financial investment, and improved knowledge of sports science, coaching techniques etc. is not producing better players. It does in every sport where the results are statistically measurable and comparable across time, e.g. athletics and swimming, so why not in tennis? I am often taken aback by how low the standard of play is when I watch old sporting clips, whether it is 1970s international rugby featuring players with spindly legs and pot bellies, or 1930s tennis. Fred Perry would struggle in the junior girls tournament now.

People who argue that it was better in the good old days make at least three basic mistakes:

1) They confuse performance level with entertainment value.
2) They forget that the greats of the past only had to beat other players from their own era.
2) They compare the peak career achievements of big names from the past with the current performances of players who are often yet to peak. i.e. most of the players who were at or around 15 in the rankings fifteen years ago weren't at their career peak at that time, and anything they did when they were higher ranked should be discounted.

The argument that runs: "The players who were around in 19XX must have been better than the current lot because X of them won grand slams" is logically absurd. There are always four grand slams. The distribution of these grand slams is determined entirely by the relative strength of the top players of that era, not be their overall quality.
09-09-2010 08:57 PM
FormerRafaFan
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

The commentators in the Youzhny/Wawa match commented on how high the level of tennis is today compared to just a few years ago, but I'm not so sure..
09-09-2010 08:38 PM
Pirata.
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

Brad Gilbert was ranked around 15th fifteen years ago

So he's basically saying that Michael Russell who is 80th right now, is a better player than he is
09-09-2010 06:34 PM
gbmkc
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

Brad Gilbert is enjoying the sound of his own voice again. Ignore him.
09-09-2010 04:54 PM
Haelfix
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

I don't know about breaking the top 20, so I think he's exagerating. But i'd say the 80th ranked player nowdays is better than the 30 or 40th ranked player of the 90s.

Falla for instance strikes me as a guy who would give a lot of 90s stars all sorts of fits.

Also we're biased b/c we remember the 90s stars at their peaks. Rafter for instance, wasn't good at all in 95.
09-09-2010 04:27 PM
tennishero
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

whoever disagrees with this, is in denial.
09-09-2010 04:22 PM
bjurra
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

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Originally Posted by Everko View Post
I don't know who Gilbert is, but he seems to know tennis pretty well based on his quotes from these threads. This is true the game is better today
Of course the game is better today, that doesnt mean the quote makes sense.

Bye, troll.
09-09-2010 03:35 PM
Spain07
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

Russell (80th) better than Medvedev
09-09-2010 02:38 PM
Everko
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

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Originally Posted by LaFuria View Post
Considering you probably weren't even alive before Nadal started playing, I don't think you are the best judge of this.
what. I am in twenties
09-09-2010 02:36 PM
LaFuria
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

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Originally Posted by Everko View Post
I don't know who Gilbert is, but he seems to know tennis pretty well based on his quotes from these threads. This is true the game is better today
Considering you probably weren't even alive before Nadal started playing, I don't think you are the best judge of this.
09-09-2010 02:35 PM
straitup
Re: Gilbert: "The #80 ranked player nowadays is better than the 15th player 15 years

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I love that
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