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02-07-2010 12:48 PM
CooCooCachoo
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

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Originally Posted by Truc View Post
Exactly, that's how it feels. Sure, it is within the rule, but it is pretty far-fetched to resort to this rule here to begin with.

If you look at the other cases mentioned by Smucav where this rule was applied, there really was an emergency situation. The Asian tournaments used to be a disaster a couple of years ago, half of the field was withdrawing in last minute. No comparison with Rotterdam this year, it sucks for Krajicek that Tsonga pulled out, but the tournament will be fine.

And in Asia they had a real replacement for the withdrawing player then, like Gasquet for Blake, Ferrer, Ljubicic (top 10 or maybe even top 5 back then) for Nadal in Beijing once... In this case it doesn't feel like Llodra is taking the place of Tsonga, they don't belong in the same league at all. It feels like Llodra was preferred over Petzschner.
For sure Llodra is preferred over Petzschner, and for good reason. Petzschner is a complete nobody to the majority of visitors. Llodra won't be a big name either, but, having won the tournament, he is known. I don't like the rule being applied, but I do understand.
02-06-2010 08:02 AM
Truc
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

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Originally Posted by duong View Post
I mean they used an option which is seldom used because they liked Llodra, in a way they "chose him"
Exactly, that's how it feels. Sure, it is within the rule, but it is pretty far-fetched to resort to this rule here to begin with.

If you look at the other cases mentioned by Smucav where this rule was applied, there really was an emergency situation. The Asian tournaments used to be a disaster a couple of years ago, half of the field was withdrawing in last minute. No comparison with Rotterdam this year, it sucks for Krajicek that Tsonga pulled out, but the tournament will be fine.

And in Asia they had a real replacement for the withdrawing player then, like Gasquet for Blake, Ferrer, Ljubicic (top 10 or maybe even top 5 back then) for Nadal in Beijing once... In this case it doesn't feel like Llodra is taking the place of Tsonga, they don't belong in the same league at all. It feels like Llodra was preferred over Petzschner.
02-06-2010 06:48 AM
CooCooCachoo
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

Free money for Petzschner though
02-05-2010 09:40 PM
duong
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

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Originally Posted by smucav View Post
It isn't a wild card: if there isn't anyone acceptable to replace Tsonga, the next player on the alternate list gets in (not Sluiter).
I mean they used an option which is seldom used because they liked Llodra, in a way they "chose him"
02-05-2010 09:37 PM
smucav
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

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Originally Posted by duong View Post
Anyway, it's a kind of wild card for him, and it means that the organizers preferred him to Sluiter
It isn't a wild card: if there isn't anyone acceptable to replace Tsonga, the next player on the alternate list gets in (not Sluiter).
02-05-2010 09:34 PM
duong
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

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Originally Posted by smucav View Post
The emergency is a player who would have been seeded withdrawing in the last five days before the deadline. Only player who were ranked high enough to make the original cut-off are considered acceptable substitutes. In most cases there aren't any acceptable substitutes available to play at the last minute because of eligible players already being entered in another tournament or on vacation.
Thanks for all the information, Smucav, I didn't know about this rule

As for Llodra, he was not ranked high enough to be in the original entry-list : if he had applied on time, he would have been second alternate (just behind Serra) but not on the original entry-list.

Anyway, it's a kind of wild card for him, and it means that the organizers preferred him than Sluiter
02-05-2010 08:47 PM
smucav
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

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Originally Posted by Truc View Post
I find a bit borderline to use this rule here (no emergency) to replace a guy on the alternate list with another guy who wouldn't have made the entry list if he had bothered to enter it in time.
The emergency is a player who would have been seeded withdrawing in the last five days before the deadline. Only player who were ranked high enough to make the original cut-off are considered acceptable substitutes. In most cases there aren't any acceptable substitutes available to play at the last minute because of eligible players already being entered in another tournament or on vacation.
02-05-2010 08:41 PM
Truc
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

Thanks a lot, Smucav, I remember the Gasquet story in Tokyo, but back then it was a real "emergency situation" and they picked seeded players to replace the missing seeded players, it made more sense.
I find a bit borderline to use this rule here (no emergency) to replace a guy on the alternate list with another guy who wouldn't have made the main list anyway if he had bothered to enter it in time.
02-05-2010 08:39 PM
soulage
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

Thank you i didn't remember about that Tokyo case. I'm still thinking it's not fair for the alternates
02-05-2010 08:34 PM
smucav
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

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Originally Posted by soulage View Post
Never heard about that, it's already happened in other tournament ?
http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...7&postcount=48
02-05-2010 08:28 PM
soulage
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

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Originally Posted by smucav View Post
When a player who would have been seeded withdraws (before the deadline), the tournament can get permission to replace that player with another player as long as the replacement player wasn't previously entered in another ATP tournament. The top alternate who doesn't get into to this tournament (or any other ATP tournament or challenger) receives first round prize money in exchange for not getting into the main draw. (This rule is only applied on average once a year or less.)
Never heard about that, it's already happened in other tournament ? So Petzchner received the first round prize money
02-05-2010 08:24 PM
smucav
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

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Originally Posted by Truc View Post
It is definitely not "cool", they can't just pick the substitute who suits them better.
What does that mean, he was "added as the first replacement"??
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Originally Posted by duong View Post
yes probably ... or maybe they were allowed to add one WC ? does the rulebook allow that ?
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Originally Posted by Kezzi View Post
I agree, they just need to stick to the rules, because this is unfair to other players.
This situation is already in the rulebook:

When a player who would have been seeded withdraws (before the deadline), the tournament can get permission to replace that player with another player as long as the replacement player wasn't previously entered in another ATP tournament. The top alternate who doesn't get into to this tournament (or any other ATP tournament or challenger) receives first round prize money in exchange for not getting into the main draw. (This rule is only applied on average once a year or less.)
02-05-2010 07:12 PM
sheva07
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

Jo I'm so disappointed with this. Saw him last year playing and would've liked to see him again.
02-05-2010 05:23 PM
Klaas_nalbandian
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 5, 2010)

tsonga and nadal out, big blow for Krajicek. Hopefully one of the dutch guys can win some matches
02-05-2010 03:29 PM
Boarder35m
Re: Rotterdam Entry List/Fact Sheet (updated February 4, 2010)

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Originally Posted by CooCooCachoo View Post
I did not indicate that I am happy he is injured. I said I am happy he is not here.

Learn to read
I agree with the other poster, being happy because someone retires is not very nice.
I mean if you don´t like him it´s ok but would be only 1 match per day maximum with him anyway, so why being so happy about it
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