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11-04-2008 07:26 AM
Minerva
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - but still with the best display for the eye

It seems like David considered not playing this final due to problems in both his feet. He had liquid in the sole of one foot and problems with one toe nail of the other. He stated that he could not move as well as in other matches.


http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news...ten&type=story

(I'm sorry but it is in spanish.)
11-03-2008 10:26 AM
camilia
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - but still with the best display for the eye

Guys, I hope this David shows up from the begining of the season next year, it's unfair he's so talented
11-03-2008 10:22 AM
camilia
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

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Originally Posted by HeretiC View Post
To be honest, this loss is hurting me. It would have hurt less if he lost yesterday against Davydenko, because he played poorly in 2nd and 3rd set, but today, he only made few mistakes and got beaten solely by a services. He was totally misreading Tsonga serves always going into wrong direction. I am not happy with the homework him and his team did prior to this match.
I totally agree with you
but at least he did play well!
11-03-2008 04:05 AM
freeandlonely
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - but still with the best display for the eye

Thanks for all the analysis. But Tsonga's spectacular net play, or all the tactics, to some degree, all back up by his marvelous first serve tonight. He just takes advantage at the very start. That monster serve give him confidence to go for shots and even play some "no logical but it works free style shots " That's the way he love. Nalby played some classic shots, but made two poor service game and that's enough for Tsonga.
Thought his serve will drop at some point, and it did happen in some games, but again up whenever he faces BPs, which is a scary reality that hard to swallow. Although the last game is a pity when he made some 2nd serve, but it's already a bit late ,the momentum never really exchange at the day.

As Nalby said himself :
"I think he served better than me and that was pretty much the key of the match,"
"I think I didn't play bad, but I didn't play like the other days. I couldn't move like natural. I didn't have very good start, and he won the first set so easily, so fast. Then everything was hard for me."
11-02-2008 07:23 PM
crazy_nanine
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

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Originally Posted by krystlel View Post
I think, apart from the serve, that Tsonga is not a bad matchup either. He was winning a lot of baseline rallies and he could reliably hit into Tsonga's backhand and come in off it time and time again, and he was also moving him around pretty well. He will probably read it better in the future, and Tsonga surely doesn't serve that well that often also.
I agree with you on that point, but I think that another thing about Tsonga that would bother David is Tsonga's spectacular net play.
David can use the passing shots as a weapon against serve and volley players, but the guy is a wall at the net, you can hardly pass him!!
11-02-2008 07:22 PM
HeretiC
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - but still with the best display for the eye

No doubt about it. He did pretty much good and outplayed Tsonga in every department. Tactically was spot on, he was stealing the net from him, forcing the BH side, did not giving him much pace to work with(Jo can play very good as a counter-puncher, he was not that good on passing shots but at least lobs worked. He had upper hand in almost every rally, not allowing him to dictate the play much. He was going to break him few times if it wasn't that monster 1st serve. I think that he would have win this in straights if he did not made those 2 DFs and 2 UEs in the opening service game in the first set. There is no chance that Tsonga would have serve like that in the TB. I never though that Jo can disquise his service like he did until now, but maybe David was misinterpreting it to a disastrous level.
11-02-2008 06:57 PM
krystlel
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

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Originally Posted by HeretiC View Post
Shangai in 2006 But still David managed to go into SF thanks to that one victory over Roddick(and number of sets won). However, Ljubicic was always a bad match up and I don't think that Tsonga is a bad match up at all. If they meet few more times David will start to read that first serve and block it back. I don't think that Tsonga ever served 25 Aces + more than 15 service winners in 3 sets match on the ATP tour so far.
Shanghai 2006 was very annoying. I remember on the big points in the second set, Ljubicic was going for broke, then when he saw David was getting nervous, he started pushing the ball back to David's forehand, and that worked. David was mentally very poor in leading positions at that point of time though.

I think, apart from the serve, that Tsonga is not a bad matchup either. He was winning a lot of baseline rallies and he could reliably hit into Tsonga's backhand and come in off it time and time again, and he was also moving him around pretty well. He will probably read it better in the future, and Tsonga surely doesn't serve that well that often also.
11-02-2008 06:54 PM
krystlel
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - but still with the best display for the eye

Okay, I approve the new title.
11-02-2008 06:54 PM
HeretiC
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

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Originally Posted by krystlel View Post
It reminds me of all the painful matches he has played against Ljubicic where Ljubicic serves 30+ aces.
Shangai in 2006 But still David managed to go into SF thanks to that one victory over Roddick(and number of sets won). However, Ljubicic was always a bad match up and I don't think that Tsonga is a bad match up at all. If they meet few more times David will start to read that first serve and block it back. I don't think that Tsonga ever served 25 Aces + more than 15 service winners in 3 sets match on the ATP tour so far.
11-02-2008 06:36 PM
krystlel
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

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Yeah, I guess it is, but I am still feeling kinda down. I'll change it. It doesn't often happens that he is losing matches when playing good but what can you do.
It reminds me of all the painful matches he has played against Ljubicic where Ljubicic serves 30+ aces.
11-02-2008 06:34 PM
HeretiC
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

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Originally Posted by krystlel View Post
Heretic, don't you think the new thread title is overly negative?

I really wanted him to win this today, but Tsonga was just too good. He could have played better on some of the bigger points, and those two games where he got broken were poor, but overall he played a pretty good match. (I think he definitely played better than yesterday's second and third sets by the way) Whenever they got into baseline exchanges, he did seem to win the majority of them. It was very annoying seeing Tsonga hit big serve after big serve on so many big points.

I agree that his anticipation on Tsonga's serve was poor though. How many times did Tsonga hit that swinging serve out wide, while David was making his way to cover the serve down the T?

Yeah, I guess it is, but I am still feeling kinda down. I'll change it. It doesn't often happens that he is losing matches when playing good but what can you do.
11-02-2008 06:18 PM
krystlel
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

Heretic, don't you think the new thread title is overly negative?

I really wanted him to win this today, but Tsonga was just too good. He could have played better on some of the bigger points, and those two games where he got broken were poor, but overall he played a pretty good match. (I think he definitely played better than yesterday's second and third sets by the way) Whenever they got into baseline exchanges, he did seem to win the majority of them. It was very annoying seeing Tsonga hit big serve after big serve on so many big points.

I agree that his anticipation on Tsonga's serve was poor though. How many times did Tsonga hit that swinging serve out wide, while David was making his way to cover the serve down the T?
11-02-2008 05:57 PM
HeretiC
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

With this 2 last tournies he drops to 9-10 in finals.
11-02-2008 05:51 PM
HeretiC
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

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Originally Posted by crazy_nanine View Post
Sure it hurts especially that it was close, and it could've gone the other way...but to be honest, I don't think he played much better than yesterday's 2nd and 3rd sets, well, at least in the first set!! in the second and third he definitely played better but still not his best. May be that was the best he was able to do, because he looked tired, and he had the right to be after playing 2 weeks singles and doubles, and we all know that David is not the fittest player on tour.

But don't worry you'll get over it I don't know why exactly, but I'm optimistic at the moment and I have a feeling that next season will be better than the last 2
DC title could cheer me a bit.
2 3rd rounds, 1 2nd and 1 1st should not be that hard to surpass at slams. Considering that he was actually thinking about quiting tennis somewhere in May/June, this end of the year is not that bad after all. 2MM titles + 1 MM final + 1 AMS final, lot of players would give their right arm for those kinds of results, but to be honest that is a substandard for David.
11-02-2008 05:36 PM
crazy_nanine
Re: Paris 2008: A runner up - losing to a service machine...Out of Top 10 after 5 yea

Sure it hurts especially that it was close, and it could've gone the other way...but to be honest, I don't think he played much better than yesterday's 2nd and 3rd sets, well, at least in the first set!! in the second and third he definitely played better but still not his best. May be that was the best he was able to do, because he looked tired, and he had the right to be after playing 2 weeks singles and doubles, and we all know that David is not the fittest player on tour.

But don't worry you'll get over it I don't know why exactly, but I'm optimistic at the moment and I have a feeling that next season will be better than the last 2
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