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10-28-2008 07:48 AM
DartMarcus
Re: Serve and Volley

Bring back Serve and Volley mate!
10-10-2008 09:58 PM
fast_clay
Re: Serve and Volley

Pat Cash was an excellent Serve volley player at 5'11"... super quick pre achilles injury.... ouch...
10-10-2008 06:09 PM
GlennMirnyi
Re: Serve and Volley

I think attacking the net is all about the mindset. You must set the strategy in your head and don't hesitate. Of course you're gonna get passed. It's obvious. As with just about every tennis strategy, it doesn't work 100% of the time. The point is to already decide what you're gonna do before you start the point. Go for it, believe you can do it and that it will work. Sometimes just that will win you the point.
10-10-2008 01:43 PM
Bernard Black
Re: Serve and Volley

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Originally Posted by Glab311 View Post
Yes, I do agree now that I think about it, you should probably go right in and commit, but in the fast pace of Juniors like me trying to go to the pros, we are not pushers. I was ranked 17 in Texas at one time, so don't worry about me getting away the the guage of the return, because sometimes I don't. But overall yes you are correct in a way...
Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to be disrespective of your standard. I was just pointing out it's best to learn good technique, movement and court positioning at a young age even if it doesn't feel comfortable at first. Keep practicing and you'll have it mastered ready for the senior transition.
10-10-2008 01:52 AM
10K Futures Qualifier
Re: Serve and Volley

Yes, I do agree now that I think about it, you should probably go right in and commit, but in the fast pace of Juniors like me trying to go to the pros, we are not pushers. I was ranked 17 in Texas at one time, so don't worry about me getting away the the guage of the return, because sometimes I don't. But overall yes you are correct in a way...
10-10-2008 12:12 AM
Bernard Black
Re: Serve and Volley

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Originally Posted by Glab311 View Post
If you go strait to the net and are playing some that is good they will kill you right up the line almost 75% of the time.

When someone like Montanes or Rochus S&V's every time they lose. But Karlovic wins every time, trust me height is good.
Sorry Glab, Dougie is right. You have to make up your mind before you hit the serve whether you intend to serve and volley. You may get away with 'gauging the return' at the level you're playing at at the moment, but once you get older those returns will be coming at you at twice the pace, so this tactic simply won't work and you'll be a sitting duck. I hope you take this advice, as it's not good to pick up bad habits and it's hard to drop them whilst you're in the development stage in the juniors.

Rochus won't serve and volley because his serve isn't effective enough, Karlovic will every time because he has a huge serve due to his size. Sounds to me like you have a good serve too, and tall for your age, so serve and volley will work well for you, and other juniors will be surprised by your tactic which can only be a good thing. Remember as you're coming in, take lots of small steps, then that moment of 'gauging the return' should be the point at which you split step and then anticipate the next shot. Commitment is the word you need to remember though. Commit to the serve and volley and even if you get passed, keep confidence in the tactic and that your opponent can't keep coming up with those shots every time.

Obviously if you find yourself a set and a break down might be time to change up the tactics and stay back, but until then, have faith in your aggressive style
10-09-2008 10:56 PM
10K Futures Qualifier
Re: Serve and Volley

If you go strait to the net and are playing some that is good they will kill you right up the line almost 75% of the time.

When someone like Montanes or Rochus S&V's every time they lose. But Karlovic wins every time, trust me height is good.
10-09-2008 07:27 PM
Dougie
Re: Serve and Volley

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Originally Posted by Glab311 View Post
I am a serve and vollyer. I am 13 and 5' 11". It's only good if you are taller than the person you are playing. What I would do


1st Serve
Gauge return (Can I put it away, or is it a good return?)
After hitting that back if you can put it away close in at net.
If you can't put it away, don't go volley.

2nd Serve
Don't serve and volley on second unless you have a great second serve.
If you´re going to s&v, you have to get to the net quickly, you can´t stay back and wait to see what kind return your opponent hits. If you do that, you´ll be caught in "no-mans land".
You either go or you don´t. Let me spell this out: you can´t be just a little pregnant.

Also, why should you be taller than your opponent to s&v? You´re the one who has to reach those volleys. If you´re too short and can´t reach them you get passed, right? You lose those points even if you´re playing against a midget.
10-01-2008 02:27 AM
10K Futures Qualifier
Re: Serve and Volley

I am a serve and vollyer. I am 13 and 5' 11". It's only good if you are taller than the person you are playing. What I would do


1st Serve
Gauge return (Can I put it away, or is it a good return?)
After hitting that back if you can put it away close in at net.
If you can't put it away, don't go volley.

2nd Serve
Don't serve and volley on second unless you have a great second serve.
08-20-2008 01:44 PM
MacTheKnife
Re: Serve and Volley

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Originally Posted by mohammadragu View Post
I'm a bit confused.
is it necessary (or better) to have strong serve for s&v?
i think the best s&v players have big-serves, is that right?
If you can find some videos of Sampras and McEnroe and watch those, you can see the difference in a big serve S&Ver, and a guy like McEnroe who had a pretty good serve, but relied a lot more on spin and placement than power.

Just watch them after they hit their serves, and the differences in how far into the court they get. Mac could actually get closer to the net than Samparas because his serve was slower, but well placed. IMO these guys are probably the two best S&Ver so watching them would answer your questions better than words. Ideally you have equipment where you can use slow motion too.

My opinion is the ideal situation is to be able to mix it up with serve variation with speeds and placement. Fast Clay gave you some great points on that.
08-20-2008 01:35 PM
MacTheKnife
Re: Serve and Volley

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Originally Posted by GlennMirnyi View Post
Same thing around here... not that Brazilian players play defensive but every kid I watch plays just the same. These days I played a 16 year-old who was like a copy of Chela. Pathetic. He owned me from the back mostly because I was playing outdoors (which I'm not used to) but the only time he went to the net I gave him a topspin lob he'll never forget. Guess what, he never ventured again... I shudder thinking what the future will give us.
I guess it's the same all over the world. I live in the states in Florida which used to be HC S&V heaven. Now all the jrs are sitting well behind the BL top spinning away. The only thing they seem to be learning about volleys is how to make their opponents do it. It's just odd to me that with that strategy being taught why they would not be working on the offensive side too. Just amazing.

Back to the question, a good drill my coach used to have us do to get the split step down was while we were practicing, we would hit him a serve, he would hit the return, then we'd have to catch it instead of hit it. When you don't have that racquet extension, man that really makes you think about positioning and you absolutely can not get to the ball if you don't split step.
08-16-2008 12:43 PM
tennistim
Re: Serve and Volley

A good practice is to start rallying the ball from the baseline and then move in to the net without breaking the rally. Then you can move back to the baseline and start again, without stopping.

Good way to get lots practice hitting from all parts of the court.
07-10-2008 11:59 PM
GlennMirnyi
Re: Serve and Volley

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Originally Posted by fast_clay View Post
nice one... serve volley is not only an art form... it is a way of life... something similar to the way of the samurai.... or ummm... sum sh!te...

anyways...

that split step which leaves both feet off the ground ever so slightly as the service ball makes contact with the opponents racquet... i always feel i am serve volleying the best when i get that floating feeling, with both feet only just levitating off the ground... only to land and realise i must push off my right leg to put away the high angled backhand volley... high angled volley because... well... to be modest, my serve was the just the real deal... it was just too good... i had ol' mate in big trouble... ol' mate knows who is dictating play as i stare down the court... and he knows it even more when i say to him: 'you like that do ya...? hah...?' whats that... you want some more...? listen... i'll give you the word ol' mate... i have two fresh, unopened packs of what just happened then... and thats just on the duece court sunshine...!'

ok... ahem... excuse me... enough with the visualisation...



well done champion...
07-10-2008 10:23 PM
fast_clay
Re: Serve and Volley

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Originally Posted by mohammadragu View Post
I'm a bit confused.
is it necessary (or better) to have strong serve for s&v?
i think the best s&v players have big-serves, is that right?
big serves can help for sure...

but..ometimes they can hinder the serve volley art as well... ie: ball comes back quicker which doesnt allow you to close the net as much...

an accurate, deceptive serve is perhaps the best serve for the serve volley game at club level...
07-10-2008 09:29 PM
Mohammad
Re: Serve and Volley

I'm a bit confused.
is it necessary (or better) to have strong serve for s&v?
i think the best s&v players have big-serves, is that right?
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