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06-07-2015 09:05 PM
Purple Rainbow
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

I will post the top 100 twice a year to better keep track of the rise of players.
Here's the top 100 after Roland Garros 2015 (in brackets the score at Year End 2014):

1 (1) Federer, Roger..................5020 (4954)
2 (2) Nadal, Rafael....................4448 (4438)
3 (3) Djokovic, Novak................3983 (3761)
4 (4) Sampras, Pete................. 3710
5 (5) Agassi, Andre...................3392
6 (6) Murray, Andy....................2596 (2393)
7 (7) Roddick, Andy...................2027
8 (8) Courier, Jim...................... 1898
9 (9) Becker, Boris.................... 1868
10 (10) Hewitt, Lleyton..............1867

11 (11) Edberg, Stefan..............1777
12 (14) Ferrer, David.................1740 (1670)
13 (12) Chang, Michael.............1685
14 (13) Kafelnikov, Yevgeny......1677
15 (15) Ivanisevic, Goran..........1564
16 (17) Berdych, Thomas..........1553 (1426)
17 (16) Muster, Tomas..............1476
18 (18) Ferrero, Juan Carlos.....1335
19 (19) Kuerten, Gustavo.........1333
20 (20) Safin, Marat..................1323

21 (21) Moya, Carlos................1313
22 (22) Davydenko, Nikolay......1249
23 (23) Krajicek, Richard...........1210
24 (26) Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried.......1193 (1141)
25 (24) Nalbandian, David.........1186
26 (25) Stich, Michael................1185
27 (34) Wawrinka, Stanislas.....1164 (984)
28 (27) Rafter, Patrick...............1114
29 (28) Henman, Tim.................1103
30 (29) Haas, Tommy................1089

31 (30) Ferreira, Wayne............1049
32 (31) Del Potro, Juan Martin..1031
33 (32) Rios, Marcelo.................1021
34 (33) Bruguera, Sergi.............1001
35 (35) Corretja, Alex................976
36 (36) Martin, Todd..................967
37 (37) Enqvist, Thomas...........965
38 (38) Robredo, Tommy...........940 (933)
39 (40) Gasquet, Richard..........902 (877)
40 (39) Gonzalez, Fernando.....881

41 (41) Korda, Petr...................870
42 (42) Grosjean, Sebastian.....791
43 (43) Costa, Albert................789
44 (44) Medvedev, Andrei.........785
45 (45) Ljubicic, Ivan.................736
46 (46) Philippoussis, Mark.......732
47 (47) Pioline, Cedric...............728
48 (53) Simon, Gilles.................720 (667)
49 (48) Coria, Guillermo............713
50 (52) Cilic, Marin....................705 (678)

51 (50) Verdasco, Fernando.....697 (683)
52 (49) Soderling, Robin...........694
53 (51) Lendl, Ivan...................680
54 (54) Björkman, Jonas...........656
55 (55) Rusedski, Greg.............642
56 (56) Youzhny, Mikhail...........636
57 (61) Monfils, Gael.................616 (579)
58 (57) Forget, Guy...................605
59 (58) Blake, James.................597
60 (59) Kiefer, Nicolas...............593

61 (60) Almagro, Nicolas...........588
62 (72) Nishikori, Kei................587 (464)
63 (61) Rosset, Marc.................579
64 (63) Johansson, Thomas......563
65 (70) Raonic, Milos.................546 (468)
66 (64) Santoro, Fabrice...........543
67 (65) Stepanek, Radek..........536
68 (66) Lopez, Feliciano...........531 (511)
69 (67) Novak, Jiri.....................500
70 (68) Fish, Mardy...................499

71 (78) Isner, John...................491 (429)
72 (69) Hrbaty, Dominik............476
73 (70) Larsson, Magnus..........468
74 (73) Gaudio, Gaston............459
75 (74) Mantilla, Felix...............451
76 (75) Schüttler, Rainer..........447
77 (76) Gustafsson, Magnus.....441
78 (77) Washington, MaliVai.....432
79 (79) Berasategui, Alberto.....425
80 (80) Schalken, Sjeng............422

81 (81) Norman, Magnus..........404
82 (82) Canas, Guillermo..........400
83 (83) Melzer, Jurgen..............396
84 (84) Kohlschreiber, Philip......395
85 (85) Lapentti, Nicolas...........389
85 (85) Tipsarevic, Janko..........389
87 (87) Baghdatis, Marcos........387
88 (88) Novacek, Karel.............383
89 (89) Chela, Juan Ignacio......382
90 (90) Krickstein, Aaron..........367

91 (91) Clement, Arnaud..........362
92 (92) Wheaton, David...........360
93 (93) Ancic, Mario..................356
94 (97) Monaco, Juan...............351 (339)
95 (94) Pavel, Andrei................349
96 (95) Chesnokov, Andrei.......348
97 (96) Sanchez, Emilio............344
98 (98) Volkov, Alexander.........338
99 (99) Arazi, Hicham................334
100 (100) Boetsch, Arnaud......333
11-25-2014 11:18 AM
Purple Rainbow
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Litotes View Post
Nice to get an update Interesting to see Djokovic has passed Sampras.
I was surprised as well to see Djokovic has already surpassed Spampras at this point.
The ranking rewards all round success, success in TMS/1000 events and consistent deep runs in tournaments.

While it is easy to look at the slams won and see 14 > 7, there are some factors working in Djokovic favor:

Slam runner-up: 7-4 Djokovic
Slam semifinal reached: 24-23 Djokovic
TMS/1000 won: 20-11 Djokovic
TMS/1000 runner-up: 10-8 Djokovic
Record in clay slams and TMS events :106-28 vs 47-31 Djokovic.
Besides, Sampras' succes cam mostly

If only slams counted, Sampras would still be ahead by a considerable margin.
If slam wins were rewarded with more points, Sampras would also still be ahead.

In the end, this is points systems I came up with a few years ago and the ranking is what it is.
I believe that in a few years time, Djokovic will reach double digits in slams and Djokovic vs Sampras will become a lively topic for discussion.
11-17-2014 03:23 PM
Litotes
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

Nice to get an update Interesting to see Djokovic has passed Sampras.
11-17-2014 11:33 AM
Purple Rainbow
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

I will post the top 100 twice a year to better keep track of the rise of players.
Here's the top 100 at Years End 2014 (in brackets the score after Roland Garros 2014):

1 (1) Federer, Roger..................4954 (4845)
2 (2) Nadal, Rafael....................4438 (4430)
3 (4) Djokovic, Novak................3761 (3558)
4 (3) Sampras, Pete................. 3710
5 (5) Agassi, Andre...................3392
6 (6) Murray, Andy....................2393 (2333)
7 (7) Roddick, Andy...................2027
8 (8) Courier, Jim...................... 1898
9 (9) Becker, Boris.................... 1868
10 (10) Hewitt, Lleyton..............1867 (1857)

11 (11) Edberg, Stefan..............1777
12 (12) Chang, Michael.............1685
13 (13) Kafelnikov, Yevgeny......1677
14 (14) Ferrer, David.................1670 (1613)
15 (15) Ivanisevic, Goran..........1564
16 (16) Muster, Tomas..............1476
17 (17) Berdych, Thomas..........1426 (1361)
18 (18) Ferrero, Juan Carlos.....1335
19 (19) Kuerten, Gustavo.........1333
20 (20) Safin, Marat..................1323

21 (21) Moya, Carlos................1313
22 (22) Davydenko, Nikolay......1249
23 (23) Krajicek, Richard...........1210
24 (24) Nalbandian, David.........1186
25 (25) Stich, Michael................1185
26 (29) Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried.......1141 (1054)
27 (26) Rafter, Patrick...............1114
28 (27) Henman, Tim.................1103
29 (28) Haas, Tommy................1089
30 (30) Ferreira, Wayne............1049

31 (31) Del Potro, Juan Martin..1031
32 (32) Rios, Marcelo.................1021
33 (33) Bruguera, Sergi.............1001
34 (38) Wawrinka, Stanislas.....984 (895)
35 (34) Corretja, Alex................976
36 (35) Martin, Todd..................967
37 (36) Enqvist, Thomas...........965
38 (38) Robredo, Tommy...........933 (899)
39 (39) Gonzalez, Fernando.....881
40 (41) Gasquet, Richard..........877 (863)

41 (40) Korda, Petr...................870
42 (42) Grosjean, Sebastian.....791
43 (43) Costa, Albert................789
44 (44) Medvedev, Andrei.........785
45 (45) Ljubicic, Ivan.................736
46 (46) Philippoussis, Mark.......732
47 (47) Pioline, Cedric...............728
48 (48) Coria, Guillermo............713
49 (49) Soderling, Robin...........694
50 (51) Verdasco, Fernando.....683 (676)

51 (50) Lendl, Ivan...................680
52 (65) Cilic, Marin....................678 (529)
53 (55) Simon, Gilles.................667 (610)
54 (52) Björkman, Jonas...........656
55 (53) Rusedski, Greg.............642
56 (54) Youzhny, Mikhail...........636 (617)
57 (56) Forget, Guy...................605
58 (57) Blake, James.................597
59 (58) Kiefer, Nicolas...............593
60 (59) Almagro, Nicolas...........588

61 (60) Rosset, Marc.................579
61 (63) Monfils, Gael.................579 (540)
63 (61) Johansson, Thomas......563
64 (62) Santoro, Fabrice...........543
65 (64) Stepanek, Radek..........536
66 (72) Lopez, Feliciano...........511 (449)
67 (66) Novak, Jiri.....................500
68 (67) Fish, Mardy...................499
69 (68) Hrbaty, Dominik............476
70 (69) Larsson, Magnus..........468
70 (99) Raonic, Milos.................468 (329)

72 (100) Nishikori, Kei................464 (317)
73 (70) Gaudio, Gaston............459
74 (71) Mantilla, Felix...............451
75 (73) Schüttler, Rainer..........447
76 (74) Gustafsson, Magnus.....441
77 (75) Washington, MaliVai.....432
78 (80) Isner, John...................429 (398)
79 (76) Berasategui, Alberto.....425
80 (77) Schalken, Sjeng............422

81 (78) Norman, Magnus..........404
82 (79) Canas, Guillermo..........400
83 (81) Melzer, Jurgen..............396
84 (87) Kohlschreiber, Philip......395 (380)
85 (82) Lapentti, Nicolas...........389
85 (82) Tipsarevic, Janko..........389
87 (84) Baghdatis, Marcos........387
88 (85) Novacek, Karel.............383
89 (86) Chela, Juan Ignacio......382
90 (88) Krickstein, Aaron..........367

91 (89) Clement, Arnaud..........362
92 (90) Wheaton, David...........360
93 (91) Ancic, Mario..................356
94 (92) Pavel, Andrei................349
95 (93) Chesnokov, Andrei.......348
96 (94) Sanchez, Emilio............344
97 (98) Monaco, Juan...............339 (332)
98 (95) Volkov, Alexander.........338
99 (96) Arazi, Hicham................334
100 (97) Boetsch, Arnaud.........333
06-08-2014 11:21 PM
Purple Rainbow
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

I will post the top 100 twice a year to better keep track of the rise of players.
Here's the top 100 after Roland Garros 2014 (in brackets the score at years end 2013):

1 (1) Federer, Roger..................4845 (4799)
2 (2) Nadal, Rafael....................4430 (4227)
3 (3) Sampras, Pete................. 3710
4 (5) Djokovic, Novak................3558 (3432)
5 (4) Agassi, Andre...................3392
6 (6) Murray, Andy....................2333 (2240)
7 (7) Roddick, Andy...................2027
8 (8) Courier, Jim...................... 1898
9 (9) Becker, Boris.................... 1868
10 (10) Hewitt, Lleyton..............1857 (1847)

11 (11) Edberg, Stefan..............1777
12 (12) Chang, Michael.............1685
13 (13) Kafelnikov, Yevgeny......1677
14 (15) Ferrer, David.................1613 (1543)
15 (14) Ivanisevic, Goran..........1564
16 (15) Muster, Tomas..............1476
17 (22) Berdych, Thomas..........1361 (1248)
18 (17) Ferrero, Juan Carlos.....1335
19 (18) Kuerten, Gustavo.........1333
20 (19) Safin, Marat..................1323

21 (20) Moya, Carlos................1313
22 (21) Davydenko, Nikolay......1249
23 (23) Krajicek, Richard...........1210
24 (24) Nalbandian, David.........1186
25 (25) Stich, Michael................1185
26 (26) Rafter, Patrick...............1114
27 (27) Henman, Tim.................1103
28 (28) Haas, Tommy................1089 (1077)
29 (32) Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried.......1054 (1005)
30 (29) Ferreira, Wayne............1049

31 (30) Del Potro, Juan Martin..1031 (1021)
32 (30) Rios, Marcelo.................1021
33 (33) Bruguera, Sergi.............1001
34 (34) Corretja, Alex................976
35 (35) Martin, Todd..................967
36 (36) Enqvist, Thomas...........965
37 (38) Robredo, Tommy...........899 (877)
38 (47) Wawrinka, Stanislas.....895 (721)
39 (37) Gonzalez, Fernando.....881
40 (39) Korda, Petr...................870

41 (40) Gasquet, Richard..........863 (849)
42 (41) Grosjean, Sebastian.....791
43 (42) Costa, Albert................789
44 (43) Medvedev, Andrei.........785
45 (44) Ljubicic, Ivan.................736
46 (45) Philippoussis, Mark.......732
47 (46) Pioline, Cedric...............728
48 (48) Coria, Guillermo............713
49 (49) Soderling, Robin...........694
50 (50) Lendl, Ivan...................680

51 (52) Verdasco, Fernando.....676 (651)
52 (51) Björkman, Jonas...........656
53 (53) Rusedski, Greg.............642
54 (64) Youzhny, Mikhail...........617 (610)
55 (57) Simon, Gilles.................610 (596)
56 (55) Forget, Guy...................605
57 (56) Blake, James.................597
58 (58) Kiefer, Nicolas...............593
59 (59) Almagro, Nicolas...........588 (581)
60 (60) Rosset, Marc.................579

61 (61) Johansson, Thomas......563
62 (62) Santoro, Fabrice...........543
63 (64) Monfils, Gael.................540 (512)
64 (63) Stepanek, Radek..........536 (529)
65 (67) Cilic, Marin....................529 (488)
66 (65) Novak, Jiri.....................500
67 (66) Fish, Mardy...................499
68 (68) Hrbaty, Dominik............476
69 (69) Larsson, Magnus..........468
70 (70) Gaudio, Gaston............459

71 (71) Mantilla, Felix...............451
72 (76) Lopez, Feliciano...........449 (423)
73 (72) Schüttler, Rainer..........447
74 (73) Gustafsson, Magnus.....441
75 (74) Washington, MaliVai.....432
76 (75) Berasategui, Alberto.....425
77 (77) Schalken, Sjeng............422
78 (78) Norman, Magnus..........404
79 (79) Canas, Guillermo..........400
80 (95) Isner, John...................398 (337)

81 (80) Melzer, Jurgen..............396 (389)
82 (80) Lapentti, Nicolas...........389
82 (80) Tipsarevic, Janko..........389
84 (83) Baghdatis, Marcos........387
85 (84) Novacek, Karel.............383
86 (85) Chela, Juan Ignacio......382
87 (89) Kohlschreiber, Philip......380 (356)
88 (86) Krickstein, Aaron..........367
89 (87) Clement, Arnaud..........362
90 (88) Wheaton, David...........360

91 (89) Ancic, Mario..................356
92 (91) Pavel, Andrei................349
93 (92) Chesnokov, Andrei.......348
94 (93) Sanchez, Emilio............344
95 (94) Volkov, Alexander.........338
96 (96) Arazi, Hicham................334
97 (97) Boetsch, Arnaud...........333
98 (98) Monaco, Juan...............332
99 (--) Raonic, Milos.................329 (new)
100 (--) Nishikori, Kei................317 (new)


101 (99) Clavet, Francisco..........315
102 (100) Spadea, Vince............313
01-29-2014 12:43 PM
Purple Rainbow
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

I will post the top 100 twice a year to better keep track of the rise of players.
Here's the top 100 at years end 2014 (in brackets the score after Roland Garros 2013):

1 (1) Federer, Roger..................4799 (4774)
2 (2) Nadal, Rafael....................4227 (3962)
3 (3) Sampras, Pete................. 3710
4 (5) Djokovic, Novak................3432 (3152)
5 (4) Agassi, Andre...................3392
6 (6) Murray, Andy....................2240 (2115)
7 (7) Roddick, Andy...................2027
8 (8) Courier, Jim...................... 1898
9 (9) Becker, Boris.................... 1868
10 (10) Hewitt, Lleyton..............1847

11 (11) Edberg, Stefan..............1777
12 (12) Chang, Michael.............1685
13 (13) Kafelnikov, Yevgeny......1677
14 (14) Ivanisevic, Goran..........1564
15 (16) Ferrer, David.................1543 (1458)
16 (15) Muster, Tomas..............1476
17 (17) Ferrero, Juan Carlos.....1335
18 (18) Kuerten, Gustavo.........1333
19 (19) Safin, Marat..................1323
20 (20) Moya, Carlos................1313

21 (21) Davydenko, Nikolay......1249 (1237)
22 (25) Berdych, Thomas..........1248 (117)
23 (22) Krajicek, Richard...........1210
24 (23) Nalbandian, David.........1186
25 (24) Stich, Michael................1185
26 (26) Rafter, Patrick...............1114
27 (27) Henman, Tim.................1103
28 (29) Haas, Tommy................1077 (1045)
29 (28) Ferreira, Wayne............1049
30 (30) Rios, Marcelo.................1021
30 (38) Del Potro, Juan Martin..1021 (860)

32 (32) Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried.......1005 (983)
33 (31) Bruguera, Sergi.............1001
34 (33) Corretja, Alex................976
35 (34) Martin, Todd..................967
36 (35) Enqvist, Thomas...........965
37 (36) Gonzalez, Fernando.....881
38 (39) Robredo, Tommy...........877 (843)
39 (37) Korda, Petr...................870
40 (43) Gasquet, Richard..........849 (763)

41 (41) Grosjean, Sebastian.....791
42 (42) Costa, Albert................789
43 (43) Medvedev, Andrei.........785
44 (44) Ljubicic, Ivan.................736
45 (45) Philippoussis, Mark.......732
46 (46) Pioline, Cedric...............728
47 (52) Wawrinka, Stanislas.....721 (639)
48 (47) Coria, Guillermo............713
49 (48) Soderling, Robin...........694
50 (48) Lendl, Ivan...................680

51 (50) Björkman, Jonas...........656
52 (53) Verdasco, Fernando.....651 (626)
53 (51) Rusedski, Greg.............642
54 (60) Youzhny, Mikhail...........610 (558)
55 (54) Forget, Guy...................605
56 (55) Blake, James.................597
57 (57) Simon, Gilles.................596 (589)
58 (56) Kiefer, Nicolas...............593
59 (61) Almagro, Nicolas...........581 (555)
60 (58) Rosset, Marc.................579

61 (59) Johansson, Thomas......563
62 (62) Santoro, Fabrice...........543
63 (63) Stepanek, Radek..........529
64 (64) Monfils, Gael.................512 (500)
65 (64) Novak, Jiri.....................500
66 (66) Fish, Mardy...................499
67 (67) Cilic, Marin....................488
68 (68) Hrbaty, Dominik............476
69 (69) Larsson, Magnus..........468
70 (70) Gaudio, Gaston............459

71 (71) Mantilla, Felix...............451
72 (72) Schüttler, Rainer..........447
73 (73) Gustafsson, Magnus.....441
74 (74) Washington, MaliVai.....432
75 (75) Berasategui, Alberto.....425
76 (79) Lopez, Feliciano...........423 (399)
77 (76) Schalken, Sjeng............422
78 (77) Norman, Magnus..........404
79 (78) Canas, Guillermo..........400
80 (80) Lapentti, Nicolas...........389
80 (86) Melzer, Jurgen..............389 (364)
80 (84) Tipsarevic, Janko..........389 (374)

83 (83) Baghdatis, Marcos........387 (380)
84 (81) Novacek, Karel.............383
85 (82) Chela, Juan Ignacio......382
86 (85) Krickstein, Aaron..........367
87 (87) Clement, Arnaud..........362
88 (88) Wheaton, David...........360
89 (89) Ancic, Mario..................356
89 (94) Kohlschreiber, Philip......356 (334)

91 (90) Pavel, Andrei................349
92 (91) Chesnokov, Andrei.......348
93 (92) Sanchez, Emilio............344
94 (93) Volkov, Alexander.........338
95 (--) Isner, John.....................337 (new)
96 (94) Arazi, Hicham................334
97 (96) Boetsch, Arnaud...........333
98 (97) Monaco, Juan...............332 (325)
99 (98) Clavet, Francisco..........315
100 (99) Spadea, Vince............313

101 (100) Kucera, Karol............310
06-09-2013 09:35 PM
Purple Rainbow
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

I will post the top 100 twice a year to better keep track of the rise of players.
Here's the top 100 at years end 2014 (in brackets the score after Roland Garros 2013):

1 (1) Federer, Roger..................4799 (4774)
2 (2) Nadal, Rafael....................4227 (3962)
3 (3) Sampras, Pete................. 3710
4 (5) Djokovic, Novak................3432 (3152)
5 (4) Agassi, Andre...................3392
6 (6) Murray, Andy....................2240 (2115)
7 (7) Roddick, Andy...................2027
8 (8) Courier, Jim...................... 1898
9 (9) Becker, Boris.................... 1868
10 (10) Hewitt, Lleyton..............1847

11 (11) Edberg, Stefan..............1777
12 (12) Chang, Michael.............1685
13 (13) Kafelnikov, Yevgeny......1677
14 (14) Ivanisevic, Goran..........1564
15 (16) Ferrer, David.................1543 (1458)
16 (15) Muster, Tomas..............1476
17 (17) Ferrero, Juan Carlos.....1335
18 (18) Kuerten, Gustavo.........1333
19 (19) Safin, Marat..................1323
20 (20) Moya, Carlos................1313

21 (21) Davydenko, Nikolay......1249 (1237)
22 (25) Berdych, Thomas..........1248 (117)
23 (22) Krajicek, Richard...........1210
24 (23) Nalbandian, David.........1186
25 (24) Stich, Michael................1185
26 (26) Rafter, Patrick...............1114
27 (27) Henman, Tim.................1103
28 (29) Haas, Tommy................1077 (1045)
29 (28) Ferreira, Wayne............1049
30 (30) Rios, Marcelo.................1021
30 (38) Del Potro, Juan Martin..1021 (860)

32 (32) Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried.......1005 (983)
33 (31) Bruguera, Sergi.............1001
34 (33) Corretja, Alex................976
35 (34) Martin, Todd..................967
36 (35) Enqvist, Thomas...........965
37 (36) Gonzalez, Fernando.....881
38 (39) Robredo, Tommy...........877 (843)
39 (37) Korda, Petr...................870
40 (43) Gasquet, Richard..........849 (763)

41 (41) Grosjean, Sebastian.....791
42 (42) Costa, Albert................789
43 (43) Medvedev, Andrei.........785
44 (44) Ljubicic, Ivan.................736
45 (45) Philippoussis, Mark.......732
46 (46) Pioline, Cedric...............728
47 (52) Wawrinka, Stanislas.....721 (639)
48 (47) Coria, Guillermo............713
49 (48) Soderling, Robin...........694
50 (48) Lendl, Ivan...................680

51 (50) Björkman, Jonas...........656
52 (53) Verdasco, Fernando.....651 (626)
53 (51) Rusedski, Greg.............642
54 (60) Youzhny, Mikhail...........610 (558)
55 (54) Forget, Guy...................605
56 (55) Blake, James.................597
57 (57) Simon, Gilles.................596 (589)
58 (56) Kiefer, Nicolas...............593
59 (61) Almagro, Nicolas...........581 (555)
60 (58) Rosset, Marc.................579

61 (59) Johansson, Thomas......563
62 (62) Santoro, Fabrice...........543
63 (63) Stepanek, Radek..........529
64 (64) Monfils, Gael.................512 (500)
65 (64) Novak, Jiri.....................500
66 (66) Fish, Mardy...................499
67 (67) Cilic, Marin....................488
68 (68) Hrbaty, Dominik............476
69 (69) Larsson, Magnus..........468
70 (70) Gaudio, Gaston............459

71 (71) Mantilla, Felix...............451
72 (72) Schüttler, Rainer..........447
73 (73) Gustafsson, Magnus.....441
74 (74) Washington, MaliVai.....432
75 (75) Berasategui, Alberto.....425
76 (79) Lopez, Feliciano...........423 (399)
77 (76) Schalken, Sjeng............422
78 (77) Norman, Magnus..........404
79 (78) Canas, Guillermo..........400
80 (80) Lapentti, Nicolas...........389
80 (86) Melzer, Jurgen..............389 (364)
80 (84) Tipsarevic, Janko..........389 (374)

83 (83) Baghdatis, Marcos........387 (380)
84 (81) Novacek, Karel.............383
85 (82) Chela, Juan Ignacio......382
86 (85) Krickstein, Aaron..........367
87 (87) Clement, Arnaud..........362
88 (88) Wheaton, David...........360
89 (89) Ancic, Mario..................356
89 (94) Kohlschreiber, Philip......356 (334)

91 (90) Pavel, Andrei................349
92 (91) Chesnokov, Andrei.......348
93 (92) Sanchez, Emilio............344
94 (93) Volkov, Alexander.........338
95 (--) Isner, John.....................337 (new)
96 (94) Arazi, Hicham................334
97 (96) Boetsch, Arnaud...........333
98 (97) Monaco, Juan...............332 (325)
99 (98) Clavet, Francisco..........315
100 (99) Spadea, Vince............313

101 (100) Kucera, Karol............310
11-12-2012 11:13 PM
Purple Rainbow
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

I will post the top 100 twice a year to better keep track of the rise of players.
Here's the top 100 at year end 2012 (in brackets the score at year end 2011)

1 (1) Federer, Roger..................4746 (4593)
2 (2) Nadal, Rafael....................3711
3 (3) Sampras, Pete................. 3710
4 (4) Agassi, Andre...................3392
5 (5) Djokovic, Novak................2965 (2644)
6 (6) Roddick, Andy...................2027 (2007)
7 (11) Murray, Andy..................1954 (1719)
8 (7) Courier, Jim...................... 1898
9 (8) Becker, Boris.................... 1868
10 (9) Hewitt, Lleyton................1847

11 (10) Edberg, Stefan..............1777
12 (12) Chang, Michael.............1685
13 (13) Kafelnikov, Yevgeny......1677
14 (14) Ivanisevic, Goran..........1564
15 (15) Muster, Tomas..............1476
16 (16) Ferrero, Juan Carlos.....1335
17 (17) Kuerten, Gustavo.........1333
18 (18) Safin, Marat..................1323
19 (19) Moya, Carlos................1313
20 (24) Ferrer, David.................1297 (1134)

21 (20) Davydenko, Nikolay......1230 (1223)
22 (21) Krajicek, Richard...........1210
23 (22) Nalbandian, David.........1186
24 (23) Stich, Michael................1185
25 (25) Rafter, Patrick...............1114
26 (26) Henman, Tim.................1103
27 (33) Berdych, Thomas..........1061 (962)
28 (27) Ferreira, Wayne............1049
29 (28) Rios, Marcelo.................1021
30 (29) Bruguera, Sergi.............1001

31 (34) Haas, Tommy................988 (954)
32 (30) Corretja, Alex................976
33 (31) Martin, Todd..................967
34 (32) Enqvist, Thomas...........965
35 (35) Gonzalez, Fernando.....881
36 (36) Korda, Petr...................870
37 (41) Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried.......850 (771)
38 (37) Robredo, Tommy...........823
39 (47) Del Potro, Juan Martin..794 (685)
40 (38) Grosjean, Sebastian.....791

41 (39) Costa, Albert................789
42 (40) Medvedev, Andrei.........785
43 (42) Ljubicic, Ivan.................736
44 (43) Philippoussis, Mark.......732
45 (44) Pioline, Cedric...............728
46 (45) Coria, Guillermo............713
47 (46) Soderling, Robin...........694
48 (48) Lendl, Ivan...................680
49 (55) Gasquet, Richard..........665 (590)
50 (49) Björkman, Jonas...........656

51 (50) Rusedski, Greg.............642
52 (51) Verdasco, Fernando.....619 (605)
53 (51) Forget, Guy...................605
54 (53) Blake, James.................597
55 (54) Kiefer, Nicolas...............593
56 (56) Rosset, Marc.................579
57 (57) Johansson, Thomas......563
58 (58) Santoro, Fabrice...........543
58 (59) Youzhny, Mikhail...........543 (533)
60 (64) Wawrinka, Stanislas.....542 (484)

61 (61) Simon, Gilles.................526 (497)
62 (62) Stepanek, Radek..........522 (489)
63 (65) Almagro, Nicolas...........508 (479)
64 (60) Novak, Jiri.....................500
65 (71) Fish, Mardy...................499 (445)
66 (63) Monfils, Gael.................486
67 (66) Hrbaty, Dominik............476
68 (67) Larsson, Magnus..........468
69 (68) Gaudio, Gaston............459
70 (69) Mantilla, Felix...............451

71 (70) Schüttler, Rainer..........447
72 (87) Cilic, Marin....................445 (354)
73 (72) Gustafsson, Magnus.....441
74 (73) Washington, MaliVai.....432
75 (74) Berasategui, Alberto.....425
76 (75) Schalken, Sjeng............422
77 (76) Norman, Magnus..........404
78 (77) Canas, Guillermo..........400
79 (79) Lopez, Feliciano...........392 (385)
80 (78) Lapentti, Nicolas...........389

81 (80) Novacek, Karel.............383
82 (81) Chela, Juan Ignacio......382
83 (83) Baghdatis, Marcos........380 (366)
84 (82) Krickstein, Aaron..........367
85 (84) Clement, Arnaud..........362
86 (85) Wheaton, David...........360
87 (86) Ancic, Mario..................356
88 (88) Pavel, Andrei................349
89 (89) Chesnokov, Andrei.......348
90 (90) Sanchez, Emilio............344

91 (91) Volkov, Alexander.........338
91 (91) Melzer, Jurgen..............338
93 (--) Tipsarevic, Janko............335
94 (93) Arazi, Hicham................334
95 (94) Boetsch, Arnaud...........333
96 (95) Clavet, Francisco..........315
97 (96) Spadea, Vince..............313
98 (97) Kucera, Karol...............310
99 (--) Monaco, Juan................308
100 (98) Malisse, Xavier...........305 (290)

101 (--) Kohlschreiber, Philip.....298
102 (98) Ginepri, Robbie............290
103 (100) Costa, Carlos............283
06-11-2012 07:23 PM
Purple Rainbow
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

I will post the top 100 twice a year to better keep track of the rise of players.
Here's the top 100 after Roland Garros 2012 (in brackets the score at year end 2011)

1 (1) Federer, Roger..................4593 (4515)
2 (3) Nadal, Rafael....................3711 (3471)
3 (2) Sampras, Pete................. 3710
4 (4) Agassi, Andre...................3392
5 (5) Djokovic, Novak................2644 (2327)
6 (6) Roddick, Andy...................2007
7 (7) Courier, Jim...................... 1898
8 (8) Becker, Boris.................... 1868
9 (9) Hewitt, Lleyton.................1847
10 (10) Edberg, Stefan..............1777

11 (13) Murray, Andy.................1719 (1585)
12 (11) Chang, Michael.............1685
13 (12) Kafelnikov, Yevgeny......1677
14 (14) Ivanisevic, Goran..........1564
15 (15) Muster, Tomas..............1476
16 (17) Ferrero, Juan Carlos.....1335 (1328)
17 (16) Kuerten, Gustavo.........1333
18 (18) Safin, Marat..................1323
19 (19) Moya, Carlos................1313
20 (20) Davydenko, Nikolay......1223

21 (21) Krajicek, Richard...........1210
22 (23) Nalbandian, David.........1186 (1174)
23 (22) Stich, Michael................1185
24 (28) Ferrer, David.................1134 (1019)
25 (24) Rafter, Patrick...............1114
26 (25) Henman, Tim.................1103
27 (26) Ferreira, Wayne............1049
28 (27) Rios, Marcelo.................1021
29 (29) Bruguera, Sergi.............1001
30 (30) Corretja, Alex................976

31 (31) Martin, Todd..................967
32 (32) Enqvist, Thomas...........965
33 (36) Berdych, Thomas..........962 (836)
34 (33) Haas, Tommy................954
35 (34) Gonzalez, Fernando.....881
36 (35) Korda, Petr...................870
37 (37) Robredo, Tommy...........823
38 (38) Grosjean, Sebastian.....791
39 (39) Costa, Albert................789
40 (40) Medvedev, Andrei.........785

41 (47) Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried.......771 (671)
42 (41) Ljubicic, Ivan.................736
43 (42) Philippoussis, Mark.......732
44 (43) Pioline, Cedric...............728
45 (44) Coria, Guillermo............713
46 (46) Soderling, Robin...........694
47 (55) Del Potro, Juan Martin..685 (567)
48 (46) Lendl, Ivan...................680
49 (48) Björkman, Jonas...........656
50 (49) Rusedski, Greg.............642

51 (50) Forget, Guy...................605
51 (53) Verdasco, Fernando.....605 (579)
53 (51) Blake, James.................597
54 (52) Kiefer, Nicolas...............593
55 (58) Gasquet, Richard..........590 (534)
56 (53) Rosset, Marc.................579
57 (56) Johansson, Thomas......563
58 (57) Santoro, Fabrice...........543
59 (59) Youzhny, Mikhail...........533 (516)
60 (60) Novak, Jiri.....................500

61 (72) Simon, Gilles.................497 (425)
62 (61) Stepanek, Radek..........489
63 (63) Monfils, Gael.................486 (472)
64 (69) Wawrinka, Stanislas.....484 (436)
65 (79) Almagro, Nicolas...........479 (379)
66 (62) Hrbaty, Dominik............476
67 (64) Larsson, Magnus..........468
68 (65) Gaudio, Gaston............459
69 (66) Mantilla, Felix...............451
70 (67) Schüttler, Rainer..........447

71 (70) Fish, Mardy...................445 (433)
72 (68) Gustafsson, Magnus.....441
73 (71) Washington, MaliVai.....432
74 (72) Berasategui, Alberto.....425
75 (74) Schalken, Sjeng............422
76 (75) Norman, Magnus..........404
77 (76) Canas, Guillermo..........400
78 (77) Lapentti, Nicolas...........389
79 (81) Lopez, Feliciano...........385 (370)
80 (78) Novacek, Karel.............383

81 (80) Chela, Juan Ignacio......382 (375)
82 (82) Krickstein, Aaron..........367
83 (83) Baghdatis, Marcos........366
84 (84) Clement, Arnaud..........362
85 (85) Wheaton, David...........360
86 (86) Ancic, Mario..................356
87 (90) Cilic, Marin....................354 (340)
88 (87) Pavel, Andrei................349
89 (88) Chesnokov, Andrei.......348
90 (89) Sanchez, Emilio............344

91 (91) Volkov, Alexander.........338
91 (94) Melzer, Jurgen..............338 (328)
93 (82) Arazi, Hicham................334
94 (93) Boetsch, Arnaud...........333
95 (95) Clavet, Francisco..........315
96 (96) Spadea, Vince..............313
97 (97) Kucera, Karol...............310
98 (98) Ginepri, Robbie............290
98 (--) Malisse, Xavier..............290
100 (99) Costa, Carlos............283

101 (100) Mirnyi, Max..............282
12-21-2011 12:15 PM
Purple Rainbow
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MatchFederer View Post
Only ranking the 6 best results actually hurts dominance as much as it hurts longevity. It would be fairer to continue to include results past the 6 mark but only if it continues to show a level of dominance and success that should indeed be rewarded and shouldn't go unnoticed, such as reaching the finals of a Slam Event or winning it only, and perhaps half points for any semi-finals but nothing more. This way you penalize longevity without sacrificing too many of the hard earned and excellent quality results that do occur.


At the moment you are even dismissing finals results that go past the 6 best results in the same manner you are dismissing a 3rd round result, which is surely unfair. There would not be many instances in which results would change if you were to make a change like this but I'm guessing their would be some, and in such a case you would be further highlighting their dominance and incredible high level play by only including semis, finals and wins past 6 rather than wins, while still not rewarding longevity so much.
Thanks for the feedback! I'm glad your discussing methodology and not the end result.
Obviously, I have given this matter some thought when I started this thread years ago. Players who have finals or semifinals as a best 7t, or 8th result by definition already score very high points for those tournaments. Counting more than 6 results, only when they are excellent, would only put the likes of Federer, Sampras and Agassi (and in a few years Nadal and maybe Djokovic) further ahead of the rest of the field.

However, I have been thinking that winning a slam 7 times is rewarded disproportionally more than winning 6 and reaching a final once. This was never much of an issue, as only Sampras had won the same tournament more than 6 times, but now it seems we might have a realistic chance of Nadal winning, say Monte Carlo, 8 or 9 times, or Federer winning the TMC more than 6 times. The current system might be over-rewarding. I'll give the matter some thought, though I don't like rearranging the points allocation system too much.

Quote:
Also, have you thought about extending this list to include the entirety of the Open Era, as before 1990 there was the Grand Prix Championship Series which basically is the Masters Series but with different branding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_...and_statistics
Of course I've thought about it. I'd really like to know where Edberg, Becker, Wilander, Lendl and McEnroe would end up if I included their eighties results and how they'd compare to Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.
However, I had to draw the line somewhere. The introduction of the Masters Series in 1990 was a good moment as the calender has remained relatively unchanged ever since.

I could, for fun, work out the total points for Becker, Edberg and co, but it'd take some time and ever since I left university, time has become a precious commodity.

Quote:
Please do consider these things, they could form a new thread that works along similar lines and yield more comprehensive results, and you'd certainly be the person to put it together.

Great work.
Thanks for the compliments!
12-20-2011 11:14 PM
Omnipotence
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

Quote:
Originally Posted by TennisOnWood View Post
No doubt.. it wasn't serie like Masters 1000 from 1990. but they are worth of mentioning
Well what were the draws generally like? The winning tendency seems to be roughly the same, with greats having results generally in the teens or higher with others less great notching a few victories and many of the finals were between two very high quality players. Also, there were always roughly the same amount of events in the series which makes it very convenient for comparison.
12-20-2011 10:10 PM
TennisOnWood
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MatchFederer View Post
They must be worth something, it was the second tier tournament series behind the Majors so it's the nearest equivalent there is.
No doubt.. it wasn't serie like Masters 1000 from 1990. but they are worth of mentioning
12-20-2011 09:38 PM
Omnipotence
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

Quote:
Originally Posted by TennisOnWood View Post
Actually, I think Grand Prix Championship Series never existed in such a poor organized Tour and this list can't be true
They must be worth something, it was the second tier tournament series behind the Majors so it's the nearest equivalent there is.
12-20-2011 09:29 PM
TennisOnWood
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

Actually, I think Grand Prix Championship Series never existed in such a poor organized Tour and this list can't be true
12-20-2011 10:41 AM
Omnipotence
Re: Purple Rainbows TMS Era (and beyond!) Ranking List!

Only ranking the 6 best results actually hurts dominance as much as it hurts longevity. It would be fairer to continue to include results past the 6 mark but only if it continues to show a level of dominance and success that should indeed be rewarded and shouldn't go unnoticed, such as reaching the finals of a Slam Event or winning it only, and perhaps half points for any semi-finals but nothing more. This way you penalize longevity without sacrificing too many of the hard earned and excellent quality results that do occur.

At the moment you are even dismissing finals results that go past the 6 best results in the same manner you are dismissing a 3rd round result, which is surely unfair. There would not be many instances in which results would change if you were to make a change like this but I'm guessing their would be some, and in such a case you would be further highlighting their dominance and incredible high level play by only including semis, finals and wins past 6 rather than wins, while still not rewarding longevity so much.

Also, have you thought about extending this list to include the entirety of the Open Era, as before 1990 there was the Grand Prix Championship Series which basically is the Masters Series but with different branding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_...and_statistics

Please do consider these things, they could form a new thread that works along similar lines and yield more comprehensive results, and you'd certainly be the person to put it together.


Great work.
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