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06-19-2006 11:53 PM
tennis lover
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by debra ¡|:!
I am trying to be hopeful that these are exactly the types of things that Connors might be able to help him with. i think so. I hope so. It's just too bad it can't start til after Wimbledon.
but Connors will be at wimbledon so maybe he'll give him a few sneaky tips! If Andy makes it to the 2nd week that is.
06-19-2006 11:40 PM
Deboogle!.
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by rofe
Andy is in a state of funk and that coupled with James knowing Andy's game very well contributed to this loss. I think he needs to start believing that no matter what, he has to win. He needs to realize that losing is not an option and every loss is an insult to his ability and his position as a top tennis player.
I am trying to be hopeful that these are exactly the types of things that Connors might be able to help him with. i think so. I hope so. It's just too bad it can't start til after Wimbledon.
06-19-2006 11:34 PM
rofe
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by debra ¡|:!
but that's the problem, it looked like he didn't know what to do! it's not like he was doing something and was missing, there was no apparent gameplan or anything. Kind of like at RG, why did Roger not do what he had done at Rome which was almost successful? He changed his tactics and looked a bit lost sometimes, that's how Andy was the other day. only difference is, and it's a big one i suppose, he had never lost to him.

It's all the more disappointing after having watched what he said the night before the match. night and day to what he displayed on court
Yeah, I know what you mean but think about this - and I am not insinuating that losing a set is the same as losing a match but Roger always seems to lose a set to Kiefer. There should be no logical reason for him to consistently lose a set to Keifer even though Roger owns him. Same goes for his matches against Ollie. Why does he always have difficult matches against Ollie even though Roger owns Ollie?

Andy is in a state of funk and that coupled with James knowing Andy's game very well contributed to this loss. I think he needs to start believing that no matter what, he has to win. He needs to realize that losing is not an option and every loss is an insult to his ability and his position as a top tennis player.

And to clarify, Andy has gone into this state where he is able to internalize his losses and just say, "Oh well, I couldn't do anything. He was the better player". This kind of defeatist attitude is what is holding him back. If losing was not an option for him, he would find ways to win. The same thing is happening to Roger against Nadal unfortunately. He didn't try anything different in the FO final (not even the play he used on Rome) because he had accepted that Nadal was the better player even before the match ended.
06-19-2006 11:20 PM
Deboogle!.
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by rofe
I was commenting more about knowing what to do and actually going there and doing it.
but that's the problem, it looked like he didn't know what to do! it's not like he was doing something and was missing, there was no apparent gameplan or anything. Kind of like at RG, why did Roger not do what he had done at Rome which was almost successful? He changed his tactics and looked a bit lost sometimes, that's how Andy was the other day. only difference is, and it's a big one i suppose, he had never lost to him.

It's all the more disappointing after having watched what he said the night before the match. night and day to what he displayed on court
06-19-2006 11:11 PM
rofe
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by debra ¡|:!
but at least federer doesn't seem to go out there with a defeatist attitude and start getting negative only a few minutes into t he match. Plus it's not quite the same considering Andy has OWNED James for their entire professional careers. It'd be, IMO, a lot more understandable if Roger was out there completely lost against rafa and didn't quite know what to do and got frustrated easily. But imagine if Roger went out there against someone he owned and looked like that. That's how it was with Andy and that's why I don't get why his attitude and gameplan were so poor the other day. It's not that he had a gameplan and for whatever reason was having trouble executing it, he looked like he had NO gameplan and no clue what to do out there.
I was commenting more about knowing what to do and actually going there and doing it. I was pointing out that even the #1 player has trouble with that against certain players so we should cut Andy some slack. It is obvious that Andy needs to strategize more on court and that will come only if he believes that he has to win no matter what. Once that belief is back, he will think more on court when things are not going his way. I know, it is easier said than done but he needs to get back his killer instinct.
06-19-2006 10:24 PM
Deboogle!.
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by blosson
Debs, I didn't see your post but yeah I agree with you, basically.
great minds!
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Originally Posted by blosson
The day Roger is standing clueless of why Andy is beating him, then we can say it's the same thing. It will neve happen...
EXACTLY. I almost used this same analogy myself
06-19-2006 10:21 PM
blosson
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

Debs, I didn't see your post but yeah I agree with you, basically.
The day Roger is standing clueless of why Andy is beating him, then we can say it's the same thing. It will neve happen...
06-19-2006 10:17 PM
blosson
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by rofe
There is a difference between knowing about it and executing it. Ask Federer about his matches against Nadal.
Sure. However, Roger doesn't stand clueless when playing Nadal. He executes his plan regardless of him losing or not. It's very clear Roger is the most skillfull even when he loses. In contrast, it's clear Andy didn't know what to do against a player he spends quite a lot of time practicing with.
06-19-2006 10:11 PM
Deboogle!.
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by rofe
There is a difference between knowing about it and executing it. Ask Federer about his matches against Nadal.
but at least federer doesn't seem to go out there with a defeatist attitude and start getting negative only a few minutes into t he match. Plus it's not quite the same considering Andy has OWNED James for their entire professional careers. It'd be, IMO, a lot more understandable if Roger was out there completely lost against rafa and didn't quite know what to do and got frustrated easily. But imagine if Roger went out there against someone he owned and looked like that. That's how it was with Andy and that's why I don't get why his attitude and gameplan were so poor the other day. It's not that he had a gameplan and for whatever reason was having trouble executing it, he looked like he had NO gameplan and no clue what to do out there.
06-19-2006 10:00 PM
rofe
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by blosson
If they are practicing together Andy should know what James does on court too. Anyd's just stupid, he should pay more attention to how his friends are getting better.
There is a difference between knowing about it and executing it. Ask Federer about his matches against Nadal.
06-19-2006 06:48 PM
Fumus
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by blosson
Andy lied, he didn't pay attention to James up to the day he was beaten. I'm sure he will tape his matches from now on. Silly Andy.

It hurts seen Lleyton holding Andy's throphy. That thing is too big for Lleyton
That thing is just too big, period.
06-19-2006 06:33 PM
blosson
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

Andy lied, he didn't pay attention to James up to the day he was beaten. I'm sure he will tape his matches from now on. Silly Andy.

It hurts seen Lleyton holding Andy's throphy. That thing is too big for Lleyton
06-19-2006 06:17 PM
Deboogle!.
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by blosson
If they are practicing together Andy should know what James does on court too. Anyd's just stupid, he should pay more attention to how his friends are getting better.
well he knew all about it b/c he said so during the match, but he didn't do anything about it once they got on court.
06-19-2006 06:15 PM
blosson
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

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Originally Posted by Fumus
Man, Andy would have beat Lleyton in the final. That wasn't fair, James is practicing with Andy too much and he could read his serve like no ones business...Andy played well, and I think he should be confident going into Wimbly.
If they are practicing together Andy should know what James does on court too. Anyd's just stupid, he should pay more attention to how his friends are getting better.
06-19-2006 05:08 PM
heya
Re: The "when I said 'healthy' I meant mental health too" Queens thread

I disagree about the playing good part.
He stood there powerless and
with no effort to move his legs in the Gonzalez
and qualifer Dancevic matches.
He was pushed all over. Opponents served out 5 straight points without needing
to work.
He can't even put any power in easy forehands. Obviously, the backhand
and serve disappeared.
That's why he pretended to
be superfriendly with Blake. And childishlessly dove at the net,
knowing he had no chance to win, with his severe lack of flexibility.
There were bad bounces and he gave up running for dropshots quickly.
Why did he think he could get away with NO MOBILITY
and weight GAIN?????
The qualifier broke his serve easily because
he DIDN't CHANGE HIS SERVE, SHOTMAKING SPEED + FITNESS REGIME.
He can't hide the poor fitness and "mental drain" after
he hugged opponents.
They're not playing unprofessional Exhibitions!!!!!
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