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04-16-2006 04:43 AM
16681
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

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Originally Posted by idolwatcher1
grrrr.... The dark cloud loves Robby, and it proceeded to move back over his head ... If Robby doesn't get sick after winning a match, it might as well be his doubles partner, right?
Maybe I really am a jinx Robby has had a poor year and now his doubles partner gets sick just as they were doing some winning. And Tommy hurts his rt. wrist and has to retire from the Semi-Final he was playing in Houston I'm actually almost thinking of having a blank signature Maybe that would help some players, but I must say I doubt it It seems like there are just a lot of dark clouds going around
04-14-2006 04:03 AM
idolwatcher1
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

grrrr.... The dark cloud loves Robby, and it proceeded to move back over his head ... If Robby doesn't get sick after winning a match, it might as well be his doubles partner, right?
04-14-2006 02:15 AM
idolwatcher1
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

why are you voicing your concern? I don't need details of a match in order to speculate about it... And you think I'm not being "fair" to Robby by merely speculating?? I don't think Robby or anyone should be concerned about my speculations ... because there's really nothing weighing on them... It's not like I'm getting mad at Robby over something that may not have even happened ...I'm simply speculating on what may have happened, based on the past, well aware that I could be wrong...
04-13-2006 11:16 PM
Deboogle!.
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

I'm not arguing, I'm just voicing my concern that you're trying to analyze the loss without having any details about it, except that several reports, including stuff Robby himself said, suggested that Montanes played really well. If he served poorly, then by all means get on his back about it, but there's just no way to know yet so it doesn't seem fair to him - maybe he served ok. So I was just presenting that logic. And anyway, 1st serve % is probably least relevant on clay, even if he were only serving say, in the 50s, he doesn't rely on his serve so much that it should be a large factor into him losing a match. My guess is that he probably played ok, but not great, and he was up against a guy who has had some seriously good scalps on clay in his career, regardless of the rankings. I understand the impulse to analyze a loss, I do it all the time but it's kind of hard to do logically when there are zero stats available
04-13-2006 10:59 PM
idolwatcher1
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

deb, why are you making this into an argument? ...it doesn't matter to me if my speculations are entirely correct or not I often just vent concerns of mine that are based on general statistics, where I feel Robby can improve his game... even if they don't completely apply to a particular match. Like I said, there's always multiple factors that can contribute to a loss... Nowhere did I say that first-serve percentage alone is the reason Robby lost his match against Montanes, only that I suspect it played one...
04-13-2006 05:30 PM
Deboogle!.
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

I agree that first serves are important for pretty much any player on any surface, I never said otherwise..... but we don't even know how Robby served the other night....there's simply no way to know. But this particular matchup on this particular surface and it's entirely possible Robby was just simply outplayed.
04-13-2006 04:54 AM
idolwatcher1
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

May I remind you, the 77% was the only time this year that Robby served over 65% (of first serves) for a match, and he happened to win that match!

Out of the current Top 50 players, Robby has one of the overall 15 lowest first-serve percentages this year... And who joins him? Hanescu (who hasn't won a match this year), Gasquet, Monfils, Verdasco, & Rusedski (all of whom have lost more matches than they have won this year)... Coria also

Robby has typically won at least 70% of points on his first serve... so I'm pretty confident that if he got more first serves in, he'd be winning more points, and thus not getting broken as easily, or as often. There's always other factors that can contribute to a loss, but this one stands out to me... I guess because the last set he played in Miami, his first-serve % was 39! Opponents are much more confident when they continue to get weaker second serves coming their way, especially on a surface like clay...
04-13-2006 12:41 AM
Deboogle!.
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

77% is ridiculous. Robby has a pretty good serve - if he's anywhere in the mid-60s he should be OK. I think 77% or anything even from high 60s up is a lot to ask from almost any player (except maybe.... coria)... there may technically be room for higher, but not really practically. So we have no idea how Robby served in the match, maybe that wasn't even the problem.
04-13-2006 12:17 AM
idolwatcher1
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

^ I have no idea, but the highest Robby's first serve percentage was in a 2006 match, was 77%, which is high, but there's still room for higher... (and BTW, he won the match that he got that 77% in)

I think we have something to smile about! Robby apparently won his doubles match today! I wanted him to win a match in Houston, so I guess this was something he could feel good about there! :P
04-12-2006 02:08 PM
Deboogle!.
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

What was his first serve %?
04-12-2006 05:27 AM
idolwatcher1
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

Yes, Robby could use a win during doubles tomorrow... he has a decent chance to win, but I dunno...

I feel like Robby must master his movement on clay to become better at it... Montanes was giving Robby drop shots, but was Robby able to move like he needed to, to hit the ball back effectively?? I'm thinking no... I'm also thinking (based on what I read of the match) that Robby probably would have done much better holding serve if his first-serve percentage was higher... his second serve on clay was probably all the ammunition Montanes needed to break Robby (which he did twice in the second set to seal his win)...

Mr. Montana, where R U? And what have you done with your former self?
04-12-2006 03:59 AM
Lee
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

Good luck on clay tomorrow.
04-11-2006 09:55 PM
16681
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

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Originally Posted by RaDiCaLgIrL♥TR
The defeat wasn't too hard to accept.He has nothing to lose right now because he has nothing on clay,but it will be great to surprise us. I just don't understand why he skips MC. He can't hide from himself to play USA only.
I'm afraid anything to keep the U.S. men tennis players home is used. Robby promised to show up for something here in the U.S. Idolwatcher1 posted about it I can't remember what it was now. But they need the work on clay
04-11-2006 09:49 PM
I♥PsY@Mus!c
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

The defeat wasn't too hard to accept.He has nothing to lose right now because he has nothing on clay,but it will be great to surprise us. I just don't understand why he skips MC. He can't hide from himself to play USA only.
04-11-2006 06:28 PM
16681
Re: Don't be afraid of some dirt - U.S. Men's Claycourt Championship

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Originally Posted by bavaria100
We all want him to win at the ARAG, but as of now, I think he'll lose all 3 matches.
I agree with you again sad to say I don't know what has happened to Robby that he couldn't carry his last year's results over to this year James did and look at him now
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