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02-23-2006 09:15 PM
maria87
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by Eléa
Gaston is still on the entry list so i guess yes
thanks!!!
02-23-2006 07:54 PM
Eléa
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by maria87
next will be Acapulco?
Gaston is still on the entry list so i guess yes
02-23-2006 07:46 PM
maria87
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by Vale
Hi María, thanks for telling us a little about yourself. I also have kids, an extended family, job, etc., so I identify with you in that we still find the time to follow our favourite player!
Thanks, Vale for your kind words!

I hope Gaston's problems with the shoulder injury will finally end, so he could be healthy and fit, and the most important thing to me, re-finding his motivation and confidence for the big tournaments!! next will be Acapulco?
02-23-2006 07:42 PM
maria87
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

ok, so let's move on to the next tournament!!! Vamos, Gastón!!!
02-23-2006 06:18 PM
Action Jackson
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by maria87
sorry, i don't get you...what histeria? what consequences??

what is the big deal of say Gaston played bad without confidence and wihtout concentration and hoping better for next tournaments??? That was my post after the match i saw...and then all was just misunderstandings
Hysteria or overreaction either word could be used. I will have to explain it like this.

- A half fit Gaston lost a match easily. He chose for whatever reason to play here when he shouldn't have, but that is his choice. Therefore he has to deal with the consequences of his decision to play, whether this means he has to take time off the circuit and let the shoulder heal more or to keep playing through it.

- Look at the overall perspective instead of a narrow focus. Costa da Sauipe doesn't mean much, he played well in the optionals in 2005 and not the major clay events, it shouid be the other way around. He was fortunate those optional wins helped him out last season, but won't this season.

- If you want to criticise them then the performances in 05 against Nadal and Ferrer in Monte Carlo and Rome, in prestigous tournaments against very good claycourt players where he should be gearing up to his best are worthy of it.

-If you know Gaston then you I have already seen what has been said about his consistency issues and his mental state on court at times. This in addition to the time of the year, in concern to peaking periods, the size of the event, obvious discomfort he was in and he put himself in there are reasons for enough the comment of overreacting to this result.
02-23-2006 06:10 PM
Vale
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by maria87
yes, Vale, i know that...is that it seems a little poor to say: "Well i weak up without energies" to play a match during a GS tournament... more if he had played just 2 easy matches before in the week. I think this is one of the negative gesture Gastón had when he is bad or depressed and without motivation. That is what i was saying, hope you can understand me. I say this as a huge fan, i love him.
Hi María, thanks for telling us a little about yourself. I also have kids, an extended family, job, etc., so I identify with you in that we still find the time to follow our favourite player!

For some reason I can't fathom Gastón seems to have wanted to keep this shoulder problem secret, even though it's been bothering him since before winning RG (according to Mancini); in fact, he never wants to talk about any health problems he may have. I mention this because I distinctly remember that during the match against Santoro he kept putting ice on one side of his neck (a reflected pain from the shoulder) but when asked what happened he simply answered "I had little energy today..."
02-23-2006 06:01 PM
maria87
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by GeorgeWHitler
Actually I have read through everything in here as I am supposed to and I have already stated reasons why I think there is too much needless hysteria about this result.

If that sounds harsh, then so be it, but people have to deal with whatever consequences of their actions.
sorry, i don't get you...what histeria? what consequences??

what is the big deal of say Gaston played bad without confidence and wihtout concentration and hoping better for next tournaments??? That was my post after the match i saw...and then all was just misunderstandings
02-23-2006 05:53 PM
Action Jackson
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by maria87
Well, you just keep thinking by yourself without listening the others, that's a shame and i am very sorry for that.

I quoted what Gaston said, and i was just critizicing him (in a constructive way) for saying that.
Actually I have read through everything in here as I am supposed to and I have already stated reasons why I think there is too much needless hysteria about this result.

When the fact that Gaston's shoulder is actually the most important thing and not these results.

I am not idealistic when it comes to people and players that I like and the situation is the same. If that sounds harsh, then so be it, but people have to deal with whatever consequences of their actions.
02-23-2006 05:48 PM
maria87
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by Vale
I know for sure that Gastón never makes excuses for playing badly, he usually just states that the other played better. But when the press insist on knowing why, he tries to give an explanation, not an excuse. And a valid explanation of why a good player has played badly could well be that he simply didn’t have the necessary energy that day.
yes, Vale, i know that...is that it seems a little poor to say: "Well i weak up without energies" to play a match during a GS tournament... more if he had played just 2 easy matches before in the week. I think this is one of the negative gesture Gastón had when he is bad or depressed and without motivation. That is what i was saying, hope you can understand me. I say this as a huge fan, i love him.
02-23-2006 05:42 PM
maria87
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by GeorgeWHitler
He didn't wake up with energy, sounds very much like an excuse to justify why he didn't get the win and detracts from the other players performance when they were better at taking their chances.
Well, you just keep thinking by yourself without listening the others, that's a shame and i am very sorry for that.

I quoted what Gaston said, and i was just critizicing him (in a constructive way) for saying that.
02-23-2006 05:41 PM
Action Jackson
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by Vale
I know for sure that Gastón never makes excuses for playing badly, he usually just states that the other played better. But when the press insist on knowing why, he tries to give an explanation, not an excuse. And a valid explanation of why a good player has played badly could well be that he simply didn’t have the necessary energy that day.
Yes, there is a difference between a valid explanation and an excuse and the line is very thin. Gaston didn't take anything away from Santoro and he had no reason to.

My actual problem was how the comment was used to justify a particular viewpoint, in other words it's called spin.
02-23-2006 05:37 PM
maria87
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by Rosie
OK - just to clarify - my "back to work " comment was not meant to be facetious - I do not often have the luxury to work from home - tennis is not a matter of life or death (neither is work for that matter) and I will never be devastated over a loss by Gastón or any other tennis player when people are suffering and dying. Just my own opinion, and as I am trying to avoid stress and confrontation at the moment, I guess I had better leave this thread.
Hi, Rosie...thanks for the reply. I am not trying to argue neither, i hate arguing and on the contrary i just want to talk about tennis that is one of my passions: i also love my work and family of course...I have kids and a house to run and a full life to live. I just like tennis and share my opinions about my favorites players.

Another note: to have my work at home is really good but not "luxury" at all. I have to write a lot and be on the computer so much hours while i have some breaks to do all the-house-work (clean, cooking,etc). And i am a proffessor in Argentina which it means so less money considering the hours i work, and that i have to work a lot in order to survive, me and my 2 kids. But i love tennis and to talk about tennis and my favorite players....
02-23-2006 05:35 PM
Action Jackson
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by Rosie
In my opinion, and I hope I don't offend people by saying this - tennis is not a matter of life or death (neither is work for that matter) and I will never be devastated over a loss by Gastón or any other tennis player when people are suffering and dying. Just my own opinion, and as I am trying to avoid stress and confrontation at the moment, I guess I had better leave this thread.
Sport is just a fun distraction from some grim realities in the world at large and nothing wrong with that comment.

People have to take responsibility for their own particular actions and deal with the respective consequences and that covers all fields of life.
02-23-2006 05:33 PM
Vale
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by GeorgeWHitler
He didn't wake up with energy, sounds very much like an excuse to justify why he didn't get the win.
I know for sure that Gastón never makes excuses for playing badly, he usually just states that the other played better. But when the press insist on knowing why, he tries to give an explanation, not an excuse. And a valid explanation of why a good player has played badly could well be that he simply didn’t have the necessary energy that day.
02-23-2006 05:28 PM
*Ljubica*
Re: Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

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Originally Posted by maria87
sorry, i think you over-reacted here about our reaction!! what do you make think we are not working because we just talk about Gaston loss????? I am working right now at home, with my computer.
I am not dying or anything else, i am just talking about Gaston tennis.

About Santoro-Gaudio, he did not play as he can: he failed in the important points when he was almost winning the match. He said after the match: "I weaked up without energy, i didn't have the energy to play that match today" Old Gaston as i said before. And I am a huge fan of him since really a lot of time before RG title.
Ok, back to work me too!!
OK - just to clarify - my "back to work " comment was not meant to be facetious - I do not often have the luxury to work from home - I work in an open-plan office where Internet access is not allowed apart from at lunchtime , so as my lunchbreak was over, I had to quickly log off and get back to work. This was all I meant and you seemed to misunderstand me. And I do not want to argue (I don't have the energy) - but I still think you are over-reacting to the whole thing in Brazil. In my opinion, and I hope I don't offend people by saying this - tennis is not a matter of life or death (neither is work for that matter) and I will never be devastated over a loss by Gastón or any other tennis player when people are suffering and dying. Just my own opinion, and as I am trying to avoid stress and confrontation at the moment, I guess I had better leave this thread.
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