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11-01-2005 07:14 PM
Choupi
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by Vale
I think there's a conspiracy in this forum to make me feel good! Well, you've achieved it!!!
11-01-2005 01:27 PM
Vale
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by sigmagirl91
Vale, face it....you are very informative in your writing. Whatever would we do without you?
I think there's a conspiracy in this forum to make me feel good! Well, you've achieved it!!!
11-01-2005 11:31 AM
sigmagirl91
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

Vale, face it....you are very informative in your writing. Whatever would we do without you?
11-01-2005 08:06 AM
Choupi
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by Vale
That's not true, but thanks anyway! I'm blushing!!!
Time to blush a 2nd time, 'cause I second 100% what GWH wrote.
11-01-2005 05:08 AM
anna10
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

Wow - I always enjoy watching Gaudio play, especially when he's on, as he is capable of some magic on the court, but I think I've fallen in love with him off-the-court now after reading these last several posts. I know he is a private person and shuns media as much as he can, and really have to hand it to him for not giving journalists the same ol' canned answers, especially when these interviews are something he does not enjoy.
10-31-2005 06:22 PM
Vale
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by GeorgeWHitler
Bascially this forum would be fucked without Vale's contributions to it, that simple.
That's not true, but thanks anyway! I'm blushing!!!
10-31-2005 05:32 AM
Action Jackson
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by diligent
George, I don't know historically everything about Gaudio. But I've read every GG interview possible that I've found in English in mags and on the internet. I think Vale put it very clearly what goes through Gaudio's mind. Better I think than sometimes Gaudio explains himself. Gaudio is very candid about his feelings about his playing and his mental issues with it, and it always suprises me that he offers up so much. As much as he hates the press, he shares a tremendous amount of himself there.

I guess this is a case of me wanting to make a doberman out of a golden retriever. I want so much more for Gaudio, and I guess that is bothersome to the true fan. I want him to fight more and believe in himself more. What's so wrong with that?
Gaston does and says what he wants, it might not be what people want to hear, but it's him and not full of cliches, so it is a symbol of what he is, whether people like or not.

Bascially this forum would be fucked without Vale's contributions to it, that simple.

Yes, you nailed it right there, as to why I find it bothersome and I have never forgotten his dark days and won't, read the respective feelings of the posters into what they felt when he won RG and you will see what it to meant to some of them.

He will never have Muster or Cañas like fighting spirit and yes I have witnessed that myself live, it's much better to see crap performances in the flesh, but he fought in the event that counted. Sometimes he does it and other times it hasn't happened.

Then there the others who are opposites on court, it goes back to the mentality of the individual and how can you force someone to have more self-belief than they do, it's something that has to come from within the individual and that individual only.
10-30-2005 10:54 PM
Vale
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by diligent
Gaudio is very candid about his feelings about his playing and his mental issues with it, and it always suprises me that he offers up so much. As much as he hates the press, he shares a tremendous amount of himself there.
Gastón said once that he disliked giving interviews to the media because they always asked him the same things: "How do you feel 1 month after winning RG?", "How do you feel 2 months after winning RG?", and so on... He also feels and tries to live like an ordinary guy and being interviewed and photographed doesn´t fall into that category. So he now has no press agent and handles his own agenda. Having his cell number is the magic key, but then he usually says no.
BUT when he decides to give interviews he says he tries to respect the journalists who are only doing their jobs! One aspect of that respect is demonstrated in the seriousness with which he answers their questions, answering with the unvarnished truth and never trying to dodge the difficult ones.
That´s why you´ll never get bored with a GG interview! He´s extremely articulate and has an original mindset, and he shuns platitudes!
(I have a lot of interviews filed away that I can send you if you like. Each of them is too long to send as a PM so you would have to PM me your email)
10-30-2005 09:40 PM
Choupi
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by diligent
I want him to fight more and believe in himself more. What's so wrong with that?
Nothing wrong in that I guess. From the moment you accept that it's not because you want it that you get it. And also that you don't get wild when you see you don't get it. Take the guy the way he is... Welcome along btw.
10-30-2005 09:09 PM
diligent
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by Vale
Diligent, DO come back frequently and post too! We often disagree here, but it´s not serious, and we´re a pretty nice bunch really!!! The main thing is that you´re a GG fan and this is the spot to be!
So feel welcome!
You are very sweet, Vale. Thank you.

George, I don't know historically everything about Gaudio. But I've read every GG interview possible that I've found in English in mags and on the internet. I think Vale put it very clearly what goes through Gaudio's mind. Better I think than sometimes Gaudio explains himself. Gaudio is very candid about his feelings about his playing and his mental issues with it, and it always suprises me that he offers up so much. As much as he hates the press, he shares a tremendous amount of himself there.

I guess this is a case of me wanting to make a doberman out of a golden retriever. I want so much more for Gaudio, and I guess that is bothersome to the true fan. I want him to fight more and believe in himself more. What's so wrong with that?
10-30-2005 05:47 PM
Vale
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by diligent
I'll just continue to come here for match info instead of posting next time.
Diligent, DO come back frequently and post too! We often disagree here, but it´s not serious, and we´re a pretty nice bunch really!!! The main thing is that you´re a GG fan and this is the spot to be!
So feel welcome!
10-30-2005 05:41 AM
Action Jackson
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by diligent
In my frustration with him and for him, I was being over the top about Gaudio's retirement, yes. I've noticed this particular board is very rigid about its postings. You cannot be one bit sarcastic or it gets a scolding. GAUDIO wanted to finish the year in the Top 10 George, that was his goal. This is why I brought this up. I don't care if he's #152 in the rankings. I love how you defend Gaudio and tell people to go root for someone else if they have a problem with ranking . "If you don't agree with us, don't come here" mentality. I'll just continue to come here for match info instead of posting next time.
Actually, it's not that rigid, we just don't like people posting about Gaudio's private life.

For someone who is a fan such as yourself, then you would know he seriously contemplated retiring in early 2004 as he was that down on himself and questioning whether he wanted to play tennis or not, but Vale explained the rest of the story very clearly.

I am very aware of what Gaston's objectives were for the year as are the fans who post in here, but really is the ranking that important in the overall scheme of things? If he succeeds that's good, if he doesn't, then bad luck to him.

Btw, yes everyone who had an opinion on this match has agreed in this thread, come on you should be aware of how he is and what he isn't.
10-30-2005 01:02 AM
diligent
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by Vale
Look, from one fan to another, I´d like to disagree with your interpretation of some things Gastón has said and done. Don´t take it badly because we´re both on the same side!

As I´ve done so many translations of Gastón´s interviews and articles, reading over what he said again and again, I feel I´ve got to know him pretty well. To begin with, he has quite the wrong temperament to be a professional sportsman and he only became a pro because his family´s income took a turn for the worse and he had to start to earn money. Otherwise he´d have gone on to university and continued playing as a gifted amateur. Only his talent has taken him to be where he is, in spite of his mercurial, artistic nature.

When he analyses his see-saw performances, he explains that some days he gets up and just can´t play well, he goes on court and just can´t “feel” the ball. (And as tennis is a precision sport which also requires split-second decisions, when he´s on an off-day he can´t just go to work like us ordinary mortals and punch the time-clock. WE can get by with nobody noticing, HE loses badly).

Sometimes he faces one of these hard-hitting players with great serves, on a surface that doesn´t favour his game, and he begins to feel impotent. The next stage is that he gets depressed, and it all spirals until he gives the impression that he couldn´t care less, but he´s just frustrated. He swears that he never goes on court without the intention to try to win, and when you see the important matches in which he´s lost you can´t doubt that he obviously wanted to win.

The two RG matches you mention are emblematic. In the final last year, when he shouted to Davin that he didn´t want to be there, he meant that he was embarrassing himself playing pitifully as he was, and he felt trapped. He thought people would feel sorry for him for making such a pathetic spectacle of himself and it hurt his pride and his self-esteem. He´s terrified of making a fool of himself. And this year at RG, when he was playing against Ferrer, it was terribly important to him to continue in the race, and he found he wasn´t playing as well as he would like to.This in itself was worrying. He was close to winning when Ferrer started making inroads into his advantage and he hadn´t got the arms to combat him. He felt very bitter to see his dream going up in smoke because he wasn´t playing his best tennis, and that´s when he told Ferrer´s coach not to worry, that they´d win. But it was said sardonically, predicting the outcome because he was doing his best and it wasn´t enough.

Having said all that, let´s also recognize all he´s done! He had the humility and courage to fight back when he was down, and made one of sports´ great comebacks. From the great promise he showed in 2002, he´d fallen to being ranked 44, to then work his way up until he won RG! Many people thought he was a nine-days-wonder, but he stayed consistently in the top ten and raised the winner´s trophy five times this year! We all know this, of course, but I like to remind us so we can keep things in perspective. Let us celebrate the guy he is instead of lamenting what he isn´t!
Vale, that is a fantastic analysis of Gaudio. You do seem to know him well. You were able to lay that out very clearly for me. Thank you.

In my frustration with him and for him, I was being over the top about Gaudio's retirement, yes. I've noticed this particular board is very rigid about its postings. You cannot be one bit sarcastic or it gets a scolding. GAUDIO wanted to finish the year in the Top 10 George, that was his goal. This is why I brought this up. I don't care if he's #152 in the rankings. I love how you defend Gaudio and tell people to go root for someone else if they have a problem with ranking . "If you don't agree with us, don't come here" mentality. I'll just continue to come here for match info instead of posting next time.

Vale, I do appreciate your insight on Gaudio. Thanks.
10-30-2005 12:24 AM
Eléa
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

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Originally Posted by reiko
Eléa, it was really lovely seeing you at last! I will see more of you in the future - in the very near future, too, won't I?
yes sure, and with a great pleasure
I have a free bed in my hotel room for the night from tuesday to wednesday, if you are interested... [or if someone else is interested of course ]
10-29-2005 11:55 PM
reiko
Re: Welcome to Lyon, Famous For Its Olympique Lyonnais, Its Quenelles and...Eléa!

Been there (last minutes decision), seen Gaston NOT having his day. But at least in this tournament he won a match after so many weeks without any win.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Vale
When he analyses his see-saw performances, he explains that some days he gets up and just can´t play well, he goes on court and just can´t “feel” the ball. (And as tennis is a precision sport which also requires split-second decisions, when he´s on an off-day he can´t just go to work like us ordinary mortals and punch the time-clock. WE can get by with nobody noticing, HE loses badly).
Vale! I have the same sentiments. I could never express it so clearly as you do, though. Especially the very last part.


I am planning to go to Bercy for a few days - maybe more. Hope to see Gaston on the other side of his spectrums this time around.


Eléa, it was really lovely seeing you at last! I will see more of you in the future - in the very near future, too, won't I?
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