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02-20-2017 05:01 PM
RAFAism
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Hello,

I know I'll sound a bit salty here but here goes: A certain match result thread has gone full offtopic with this particular fanbase posting news of their player to keep it bumped up. Its not even related to the match....I hope you look into it
02-17-2017 04:24 PM
RAFAism
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Originally Posted by Time Violation View Post
We already have dedicated threads for each of the big 4's losses.
That one was special which we celebrated in and it wasn't just big 4 but also of servebots. I am sure there are many similar threads in the forum.

I am just asking it to be moved to RUINS not GM.
02-17-2017 03:49 PM
Time Violation
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by RAFAism View Post
Hello,

There was my thread named "What a beautiful day" which is no more in GM I am assuming since search can't find it. May I ask it to be moved to the ruins?

Thanks
We already have dedicated threads for each of the big 4's losses.
02-17-2017 03:16 PM
RAFAism
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Hello,

There was my thread named "What a beautiful day" which is no more in GM I am assuming since search can't find it. May I ask it to be moved to the ruins?

Thanks
02-15-2017 07:45 AM
Slasher1985
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Like notifications (part of DragonByte tech) are outside the original ignore list system, so they're basically unconnected. VS would have to connect them and I doubt it is worth undertaking such a development unless the majority of users complain about the functionality. So, unfortunately, or fortunately, you can get liked by those on your ignore list (weird that someone complains about being liked - lol).
02-15-2017 02:21 AM
Pepe Imaz
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Floki View Post
Why do I get "like" notifications from people who are on my ignore list?

Shouldn't that be blocked?
likes are a bit more difficult to manage.
Even in the ruins likes is still turned on while all other notifications are off not sure whether by design or not.

I am not sure if we have the means to tweak that. Certainly not admins, we'll have to go through VS. My impression is that it is not possible (or will be difficult). @Slasher1985
02-14-2017 05:47 AM
Floki
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Why do I get "like" notifications from people who are on my ignore list?

Shouldn't that be blocked?
02-07-2017 03:05 PM
Featherer
Re: Ask MTF Mods

thanks for the extensive reply, MWW,
but i dont confuse MTF with an unbiased news site.
maybe you confuse it with Twitter or Facebook.

the niche for "expressing flat-out opinion and looking if people agree" is arguably better covered by social media.
i doubt it's a good strategy for a forum to compete in that field
and in the past mods were stricter with such thread titles.


the reasons are rather simple:

(it's not so important what's in the body of the posts),
but flat-out assertions in thread titles are a direct problem for the level of discussion:
- they often provocate one party
- posters can occupy/"hijack" whole (and important) topics that way (f.i. the FedererMTO thread)
- OPs will strongly tend to stick with their original opinion (for psychological reasons) (f.i. the DC-tiebreak thread)

that may generate discussion as many people will be aggravated thoroughly,
but smarter people will feel reluctant to discussing in such an environment (at least after some time).
so the level goes down.



conclusion:
initially allowing such threads and moving them to the Ruins when the discussion gets awful is a crude method.
some/many posters could have made serious posts and they will be removed from the public part of the forum.
editing mentioned thread titles right from the start would often prevent such fate.
the cases are always quite similar (assertions/opinion in thread titles)
and with the method i suggested they could be handled without much work.
i'm also not demanding that mods should observe everything on their own,
just to get active when someone informs them.


well, no need to make a decision on this subject prematurely.
maybe better to wait for future examples/incidents.
i wanted to type it down anyway, so that i only need to quote in the future.

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Originally Posted by Time Violation View Post
Oh you mean that? Well, I've amended it now to represent a question instead of statement.
the thread title still looks provocative.
very good example to illustrate the problem.

->
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Originally Posted by Featherer View Post
my suggested solution:
change such thread titles from statements to questions
and ideally apply "proper" syntax,
so either like "auxiliary - subject - main verb - object" ("Are fifth set tiebreaks killing these DC matches?")
or "main verb - subject - object" ("Kill fifth set tiebreaks these DC matches?"),
and not "subject - verb - object" ("Fifth set tiebreaks are killing these DC matches?") aka statements with just a question mark added.
02-06-2017 06:39 PM
Time Violation
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by DBR View Post
You are completely missing the point here. The MTF thread title says that "Federer admits he took a tactical MTO"

At no point ahywhere in the Tennis.com article does Federer admit he did that. Tennis.com quote Pat Cash's opinion that Federer abused the MTO rule. And Federer actually defends himself against that. With the current thread title, the OP is not claiming it was tactics. He is claiming Federer admitted that the MTO was tactical. These are 2 completely different things.
Oh you mean that? Well, I've amended it now to represent a question instead of statement.
02-06-2017 05:06 PM
DBR
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Time Violation View Post
If mainstream media, such as tennis dot com can run an article quoting Pat Cash that Federer was (legally) cheating: Pat Cash calls Federer's medical timeouts 'legal cheating, not right' | TENNIS.com

Then safe to say there's nothing wrong MTF running a topic where Chris Kuerten claims it was tactics.
You are completely missing the point here. The MTF thread title says that "Federer admits he took a tactical MTO"

At no point ahywhere in the Tennis.com article does Federer admit he did that. Tennis.com quote Pat Cash's opinion that Federer abused the MTO rule. And Federer actually defends himself against that. With the current thread title, the OP is not claiming it was tactics. He is claiming Federer admitted that the MTO was tactical. These are 2 completely different things.
02-06-2017 03:59 PM
Time Violation
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by DBR View Post
I don't know Federer's position on this MTO or follow him closely enough to know what quotes he has or hasn't made about it, but it seems pretty clear to me that if someone states "Federer admits he took a tactical MTO", and Federer has never said this anywhere and there are no quotes of him confirming it, then these kind of statements are in violation of the site rules. It's important to know that these kind of statements are also libelous if they are not true.
If mainstream media, such as tennis dot com can run an article quoting Pat Cash that Federer was (legally) cheating: http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/...-tennis/63849/

Then safe to say there's nothing wrong MTF running a topic where Chris Kuerten claims it was tactics.
02-06-2017 03:10 PM
DBR
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe Imaz View Post

While we'd like to keep the community nice and clean, it's not our job to police MTF protectively in the sense of delivering 'correct education'.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Time Violation View Post
Basically this
However, it is Mods & Admins job to police MTF according to the MTF rules.

Rule 18 via http://www.menstennisforums.com/9-an...sequences.html

Quote:
(18) Do not start threads or make posts or reps that make serious allegations about a player, another poster, or anyone else, that can not be substantiated with independent and cast-iron evidence.
I don't know Federer's position on this MTO or follow him closely enough to know what quotes he has or hasn't made about it, but it seems pretty clear to me that if someone states "Federer admits he took a tactical MTO", and Federer has never said this anywhere and there are no quotes of him confirming it, then these kind of statements are in violation of the site rules. It's important to know that these kind of statements are also libelous if they are not true.
02-06-2017 02:49 PM
Time Violation
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepe Imaz View Post
While we'd like to keep the community nice and clean, it's not our job to police MTF protectively in the sense of delivering 'correct education'.
Basically this
02-06-2017 01:57 PM
Pepe Imaz
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Quote:
Originally Posted by Featherer View Post
i wanted to ask inhowfar it is appropriate (or even allowed) to make threads in GM based on mere opinion / claims.
i am first and foremost referring to thread titles.

f.i. in the thread title "Federer admits he took a tactical MTO"
http://www.menstennisforums.com/2-ge...tical-mto.html
the OP makes a false claim.
Federer doesnt admit it in that interview and according to most internet sources he even denied it.

or the thread title "Fifth set tiebreaks are killing these DC matches".
http://www.menstennisforums.com/2-ge...c-matches.html


both threads are negative, aggravate the community
and the OPs are not in the slightest inclined to learn anything.

such attempts of brainwashing arguably contribute a lot to MTF being loaded with the weirdest opinions and pseudo expertise about tennis.
i mean, many MTFers are young or somewhat limited folks and buy almost everything if you penetrate them with it.



my suggested solution:
change such thread titles from statements to questions
and ideally apply "proper" syntax,
so either like "auxiliary - subject - main verb - object" ("Are fifth set tiebreaks killing these DC matches?")
or "main verb - subject - object" ("Kill fifth set tiebreaks these DC matches?"),
and not "subject - verb - object" ("Fifth set tiebreaks are killing these DC matches?") aka statements with just a question mark added.
I can understand where you are coming from but MTF is just a tennis forum, not a news site or a reliable source of information and opinion is allowed, within reasonable bounds. Unfortunately, you've come a little late to discuss brainwashing, which has been going on since the forum began in 2002/2003.

Moderators have discussed the Federer MTO thread and we surmised that while it may not be completely accurate to what Federer said, there is a substantial case of "MTO for the sake of MTO", which could be construed as tactical, and you'd know by now CK's style over all things MTO, fixing and doctor related. Not pointing fingers anywhere but it was 'solid' enough that we did not move it to the ruins. Similar goes for the Uncle Toni type of statements. If you wanted to be so PC, then WWW threads should not be allowed either because they are to some extent opinion pieces in themselves. The "5th set TB" thread actually highlighted varying opinions on the matter and the OP did start with a question "Is it just me or are these 5th set TBs farcical?" i.e. this is my opinion, do you share the same opinion? I would be surprised if we didn't have some people supporting the issue raised at hand. And that's how MTF rolls, it's supposed to be a discussion and nobody is forced to agree or disagree with the OP.

While we'd like to keep the community nice and clean, it's not our job to police MTF protectively in the sense of delivering 'correct education'. There are certain posters who believe slams before 2011 are considered obsolete, or that all surfaces should be hard court, or that the Olympics mean nothing. Tell me are these people seriously going to change their POVs? I wouldn't worry about the young ones too much, some one them are smarter and more aware than we take them for, like Delusionalist or CarlosDjoker. Now I'd seriously hope that no one took every thread title to be the final word on everything, otherwise we'd have to close down MTF for good, and this is before we get to social media...However there are sensible posters around who do act when things aren't right and we appreciate that. If a thread is completely false or malicious we will remove it and particularly troublesome thread titles do get edited.

Your solution is feasible (the first one) but I do not think we need to go that far. As I said if people are really that naïve to what is said in a forum (that they cannot check for statements themselves), we'd better off shutting down MTF. The counterbalance is that we do have more than one side at least for people to consider over contentious matters.

This is my input to the matter @Time Violation @Slasher1985 maybe you'd like to say something here.
02-06-2017 12:46 PM
Featherer
Re: Ask MTF Mods

i wanted to ask inhowfar it is appropriate (or even allowed) to make threads in GM based on mere opinion / claims.
i am first and foremost referring to thread titles.

f.i. in the thread title "Federer admits he took a tactical MTO"
http://www.menstennisforums.com/2-ge...tical-mto.html
the OP makes a false claim.
Federer doesnt admit it in that interview and according to most internet sources he even denied it.

or the thread title "Fifth set tiebreaks are killing these DC matches".
http://www.menstennisforums.com/2-ge...c-matches.html


both threads are negative, aggravate the community
and the OPs are not in the slightest inclined to learn anything.

such attempts of brainwashing arguably contribute a lot to MTF being loaded with the weirdest opinions and pseudo expertise about tennis.
i mean, many MTFers are young or somewhat limited folks and buy almost everything if you penetrate them with it.



my suggested solution:
change such thread titles from statements to questions
and ideally apply "proper" syntax,
so either like "auxiliary - subject - main verb - object" ("Are fifth set tiebreaks killing these DC matches?")
or "main verb - subject - object" ("Kill fifth set tiebreaks these DC matches?"),
and not "subject - verb - object" ("Fifth set tiebreaks are killing these DC matches?") aka statements with just a question mark added.
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