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05-21-2017 08:50 AM
MWW
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by rockrahul View Post
Do you guys think there should be some control over the reputation which a user can give to another poster? I see many seriously misusing it. But I see 70% of my negative/red reputation is coming from nolevalent. If you don't agree then argue or discuss. Whether there should be some checklist/control over this?
you can put such posters on your ignore list so these reps do not show on your UserCP.

We do have control in that if you feel a poster's rep comment is a personal attack, harassment, discriminatory etc. you can report it to us (PM a mod, ideally with a screenshot, and we can deal with it from there)
05-21-2017 05:06 AM
rockrahul
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Do you guys think there should be some control over the reputation which a user can give to another poster? I see many seriously misusing it. But I see 70% of my negative/red reputation is coming from nolevalent. If you don't agree then argue or discuss. Whether there should be some checklist/control over this?
05-18-2017 08:45 PM
Htom Sirveaux
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Sham Kay Adams View Post
Maybe me chiming in isn't the best when Loosie and MWW have said so much already, and the answers are probably going to sound repetitive, but it's an interesting and potentially serious topic so why not.

The main thing here is that we're all posters who post on this Tennis forum anonymously. Yes, maybe we know a few people by face or even met each other somewhere, or by reputation on another site, but regardless, we're posting behind avatars and usernames, and this is precisely who we are when we post here. Who you are in real life or elsewhere is not our concern, which is why I referred to Fiberlight the way I did up there.

As mods of MTF, we can only judge what you do behind your MTF persona- we can't judge you as a person or in any other way, be that how you behave in real life, or on any other internet platform. We can give considered opinions of your behaviour outside the forum, like any other poster, but this has no affect on the treatment of your MTF account.

I know you're looking for common sense to prevail in this particular Twitter case and not looking at it from a generalised scenario like I am here (I'm purposely not mentioning any particular users' name), but mods don't have this luxury- we are tasked with managing, maintaining and cleaning up the forum, helping forumers out, and (attempting to) make common sense decisions based on users' forum activity (I know, I know.. mods are a joke). People abusing others and/or tennis players should be reported wherever it is being done.

We're just like any other user, we don't have the power to protect players from what happens outside this forum. Banning someone solely based on activity away from the forum is not only unlikely to change the course of events should said user commit to things they're saying, but is also likely to create a precedent, resulting in further accusations and reports regarding other users. Mods on this forum are volunteers, and are not here to police the internet, or research your criminal past, present, future. We commit time to moderating what you do here.
I appreciate the thought you put into this post. I apologize if I've been aggressive in my own posts regarding this matter but that's mostly because I find the whole thing rather troubling. It doesn't seem right that someone known to repeatedly call for the death of a tennis player is allowed to post on a tennis forum but I understand that mods can only enforce the rules on the books. You're right that I'm looking for a common sense response to this: maybe a group of concerned mods going above their heads to someone with the power to take action in a clearly extreme case. That's an approach I might take if I were a mod but I acknowledge that I'm not privy to how things are actually done at the top at MTF so that thinking might be unrealistic.

I'd also like to say I'm not one of the mod-haters on this site. You guys generally do a good job keeping things patrolled on a board that seems to attract a shit ton of nasty people. You've also done a great job of banning some of the most obnoxious trolls these past few years and the forum is a better place because of that IMO. That effectiveness at cleaning things up is honestly one of the reasons I find it so surprising that a poster who is known to regularly make death threats against a player remains welcome on the forum. But again, I understand that you can only enforce the rules on the books.

I know where the mods stand on this now so feel free to let this be the end of the matter as far as I'm concerned. Thanks to all the mods who took the time to respond.
05-18-2017 05:48 PM
Sham Kay Adams
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Fiberlight1 View Post
So I can go on Twitter and say the worst things about all the MTF Admins/Mods and their families and not be worried about any consequences here?
Would be a bit of a waste of time- doubt any of your followers will know who the heck these MTF mods you're ranting on about are. But aye, in the event that you rip into mods on Twitter, it doesn't affect Fiberlight1 the MTF poster.

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Originally Posted by Htom Sirveaux View Post
I went out of my way to expose who he really is after he lied about the intent of his initial post in the thread. And I am not the one tacitly endorsing his deranged death threats so do not try to shift blame.


This is so ethically bankrupt. By your thinking, you could allow Slade to repeatedly call for a player's death on this very site (not that he does that but let's just make the example crystal clear), choose to allow him to continue to post, and feel no guilt if he or someone who claimed to be motivated by his posts eventually attacked said player? To be honest, that's rather chilling.

Let me ask you this: what if Slade included a direct link to his Twitter feed in his sig? Or what if some other poster did this? Would creating a direct connection between MTF and his death threats make MTF's responsibility to sever all ties with this piece of shit more straightforward?


I first have to address the bolded: you, me and everyone else who's looked at Slade's Twitter feed know exactly who he is. This isn't a matter of 'perception'. He's a person who repeatedly calls for a tennis player to be killed, period.

Second, I see you have taken no action to keep the replacement thread on topic. Could this possibly be because none of the Slade-related posts are calling MTF out for their responsibility to distance themselves from the lunatic? The decisions regarding what and what not to censor through all of this have been quite telling.
Maybe me chiming in isn't the best when Loosie and MWW have said so much already, and the answers are probably going to sound repetitive, but it's an interesting and potentially serious topic so why not.

The main thing here is that we're all posters who post on this Tennis forum anonymously. Yes, maybe we know a few people by face or even met each other somewhere, or by reputation on another site, but regardless, we're posting behind avatars and usernames, and this is precisely who we are when we post here. Who you are in real life or elsewhere is not our concern, which is why I referred to Fiberlight the way I did up there.

As mods of MTF, we can only judge what you do behind your MTF persona- we can't judge you as a person or in any other way, be that how you behave in real life, or on any other internet platform. We can give considered opinions of your behaviour outside the forum, like any other poster, but this has no affect on the treatment of your MTF account.

I know you're looking for common sense to prevail in this particular Twitter case and not looking at it from a generalised scenario like I am here (I'm purposely not mentioning any particular users' name), but mods don't have this luxury- we are tasked with managing, maintaining and cleaning up the forum, helping forumers out, and (attempting to) make common sense decisions based on users' forum activity (I know, I know.. mods are a joke). People abusing others and/or tennis players should be reported wherever it is being done.

We're just like any other user, we don't have the power to protect players from what happens outside this forum. Banning someone solely based on activity away from the forum is not only unlikely to change the course of events should said user commit to things they're saying, but is also likely to create a precedent, resulting in further accusations and reports regarding other users. Mods on this forum are volunteers, and are not here to police the internet, or research your criminal past, present, future. We commit time to moderating what you do here.
05-18-2017 03:25 PM
MWW
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Htom Sirveaux View Post
I went out of my way to expose who he really is after he lied about the intent of his initial post in the thread. And I am not the one tacitly endorsing his deranged death threats so do not try to shift blame.


This is so ethically bankrupt. By your thinking, you could allow Slade to repeatedly call for a player's death on this very site (not that he does that but let's just make the example crystal clear), choose to allow him to continue to post, and feel no guilt if he or someone who claimed to be motivated by his posts eventually attacked said player? To be honest, that's rather chilling.

Let me ask you this: what if Slade included a direct link to his Twitter feed in his sig? Or what if some other poster did this? Would creating a direct connection between MTF and his death threats make MTF's responsibility to sever all ties with this piece of shit more straightforward?


I first have to address the bolded: you, me and everyone else who's looked at Slade's Twitter feed know exactly who he is. This isn't a matter of 'perception'. He's a person who repeatedly calls for a tennis player to be killed, period.

Second, I see you have taken no action to keep the replacement thread on topic. Could this possibly be because none of the Slade-related posts are calling MTF out for their responsibility to distance themselves from the lunatic? The decisions regarding what and what not to censor through all of this have been quite telling.
You bring up a contentious issue. But I stand by Loosie's policy. We are only able to police what happens here. Think about it. Hundreds of people make death threats to players all the time. How often are these people actually caught and sanctioned? However, we do act if there is some facet of their profile that may be against MTF rules. Slade did get infracted for using an inappropriate avatar. In extreme cases, if their external accounts contain activity/content to harass/threaten other members of MTF, then this can be investigated and reported (and has happened before in the case of one poster) . However, we cannot police that activity ourselves because we have no authority over twitter or facebook and unfortunately have no guarantee action will be taken. Just know if Slade misbehaves here, we will get onto it.
05-18-2017 03:16 PM
Loosie
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Htom Sirveaux View Post
This is so ethically bankrupt. By your thinking, you could allow Slade to repeatedly call for a player's death on this very site (not that he does that but let's just make the example crystal clear), choose to allow him to continue to post, and feel no guilt if he or someone who claimed to be motivated by his posts eventually attacked said player? To be honest, that's rather chilling.

Let me ask you this: what if Slade included a direct link to his Twitter feed in his sig? Or what if some other poster did this? Would creating a direct connection between MTF and his death threats make MTF's responsibility to sever all ties with this piece of shit more straightforward?
If he did this on this he would be given infractions, and eventually banned. If you look at the Wishing Death peanlties it is one of the harshest. The first red is a 3 month ban, the second one is a 4 month ban and a third leads to a permanent ban, but again that only applies to what is posted on MTF.

I do understand what you are trying to say. But there are very clear guidlines and it all applies to what is posted here.
05-18-2017 03:01 PM
Htom Sirveaux
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Loosie View Post
So if you would be beside yourself with guilt if he does something why post his tweets here? Again I'm sure there is a way you can report his tweets.
I went out of my way to expose who he really is after he lied about the intent of his initial post in the thread. And I am not the one tacitly endorsing his deranged death threats so do not try to shift blame.

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Originally Posted by Loosie View Post
I would not feel any guilt because his being able to post here would have no effect whatsoever should he decide to follow through on his years-long threat. He is responsible for his own actions, I am responsible for mine. I have no responsibility for his actions at all.
This is so ethically bankrupt. By your thinking, you could allow Slade to repeatedly call for a player's death on this very site (not that he does that but let's just make the example crystal clear), choose to allow him to continue to post, and feel no guilt if he or someone who claimed to be motivated by his posts eventually attacked said player? To be honest, that's rather chilling.

Let me ask you this: what if Slade included a direct link to his Twitter feed in his sig? Or what if some other poster did this? Would creating a direct connection between MTF and his death threats make MTF's responsibility to sever all ties with this piece of shit more straightforward?

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Originally Posted by Loosie View Post
The reason I deleted the tweets is because the initial thread got completely derailed from discussing the match (albeit there really wasn't much to discuss) and it all became about his tweets and why he was still allowed to post here. There may have been one or two posts in that thread about the actual match. I deleted them a second time because they have no relevance here anymore and I didn't want a repeat of the first thread. He chose to get whatever he wanted out in his tweets and did NOT post that stuff here but yet you felt compelled to bring them here to say he should be banned for it. That's not fair to him, no matter what kind of poster people perceive him to be.
I first have to address the bolded: you, me and everyone else who's looked at Slade's Twitter feed know exactly who he is. This isn't a matter of 'perception'. He's a person who repeatedly calls for a tennis player to be killed, period.

Second, I see you have taken no action to keep the replacement thread on topic. Could this possibly be because none of the Slade-related posts are calling MTF out for their responsibility to distance themselves from the lunatic? The decisions regarding what and what not to censor through all of this have been quite telling.
05-18-2017 11:39 AM
Dmitry Verdasco
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by MWW View Post
Go to Default Thread Subscription Mode and change it to Do Not Subscribe if you haven't already. You can also uncheck the receive email notification of PM etc.
I still need to see subscribed threads in my User CP though..

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Originally Posted by Pratik View Post
I don't think there is a good solution to that.


Go here: http://www.menstennisforums.com/prof...do=editoptions
Under "Default Thread Subscription Mode" change it to "No email notification". (NOT do not subscribe as MWW said, that will prevent those threads from coming up in your UserCP as well.)

Except that you probably already have that selected (if not, then do it).
And here starts the problem. When you select that, it only applies to new threads that you have posted in(thread which you weren't subscribed to earlier) , or new threads you create. This does not change subscription type of threads you have already subscribed to. The only way to do that (that I know of) is manually. i.e. go to each old page in the subscriptions (http://www.menstennisforums.com/subscription.php) Select all on that page, and below update to "No email subscription".

But that is a colossal pain to do.
There are two solutions here:
Since it only applies to old threads, the email notifications will stop for all except some threads that keep getting posted in (like this one). For those you can change manually each time they come up so that they don't send an email again.
Alternatively, add a spam filter in your email client From MTF, and containing the word "subscribed"
Thanks heaps, this will solve the problem for the most part. I just changed the notifications for the past 3 pages which is where most of them are coming from. Thanks for your help!
05-18-2017 11:20 AM
Pratik
Re: Ask MTF Mods

I don't think there is a good solution to that.


Go here: http://www.menstennisforums.com/prof...do=editoptions
Under "Default Thread Subscription Mode" change it to "No email notification". (NOT do not subscribe as MWW said, that will prevent those threads from coming up in your UserCP as well.)

Except that you probably already have that selected (if not, then do it).
And here starts the problem. When you select that, it only applies to new threads that you have posted in(thread which you weren't subscribed to earlier) , or new threads you create. This does not change subscription type of threads you have already subscribed to. The only way to do that (that I know of) is manually. i.e. go to each old page in the subscriptions (http://www.menstennisforums.com/subscription.php) Select all on that page, and below update to "No email subscription".

But that is a colossal pain to do.
There are two solutions here:
Since it only applies to old threads, the email notifications will stop for all except some threads that keep getting posted in (like this one). For those you can change manually each time they come up so that they don't send an email again.
Alternatively, add a spam filter in your email client From MTF, and containing the word "subscribed"
05-18-2017 10:11 AM
MWW
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Dmitry Verdasco View Post
Reply to thread "Ask MTF Mods"



etc etc etc
Go to Default Thread Subscription Mode and change it to Do Not Subscribe if you haven't already. You can also uncheck the receive email notification of PM etc.
05-18-2017 10:08 AM
Dmitry Verdasco
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Pratik View Post
What emails are you getting?
Reply to thread "Ask MTF Mods"

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Dear Dmitry Verdasco,

Pratik has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - Ask MTF Mods - in the Feedback, Suggestions & Questions forum of MensTennisForums.com.

This thread is located at:
etc etc etc
05-18-2017 05:23 AM
Pratik
Re: Ask MTF Mods

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Originally Posted by Dmitry Verdasco View Post
Hello, how the hell do I stop getting emails from MTF!!! I've unchecked everything as far as I can see! Please help! Really annoying!
What emails are you getting?
05-18-2017 04:15 AM
Dmitry Verdasco
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Hello, how the hell do I stop getting emails from MTF!!! I've unchecked everything as far as I can see! Please help! Really annoying!
05-18-2017 12:31 AM
Loosie
Re: Ask MTF Mods

First off welcome to MTF. There are rules and regulations to follow when posting here, if any poster breaks those rules there posts generally get deleted and if warranted infractions are given out. I do suggest you brush up on these rules. The posters and posts that you mention do not break these rules despite the content. This is an open forum that anyone can join and post as long they follow the rules.

Idolizing specific players to seemingly unhealthy levels comes with the territory. Unless they break forum rules they are free to post what they want. You are free to disagree with them. We are not here to censor people or dictate what kind of poster can post here. The they break rules and receive these temporary bans the longer the bans will get until the do become permanently banned.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/9-an...sequences.html
05-17-2017 11:55 PM
Awka Liwen
Re: Ask MTF Mods

Hi MTF mods.

My question is simple, but it's something that's been in my mind for quite some time now.

I'd like to know what is your policy on highly toxic posters.

Those who do not contribute in any way creating a rich enviroment where actual tennis debate can be held, but actually only log in to mindlessly glorify a certain player.
They limit themselves to speak highly of him and usually start pointless and toxic arguments about how "their" player is better than everyone else. No achievement of any other player is worth mentioning for them and trying to reason with these people is out of the question. To the point where if their god-player loses a match, all their efforts almost exclusively center around finding an excuse for that loss.

In the end, they end up making the overall experience in this forum a little bit hard to enjoy. Specially when after several temporary bans these posters are reluctant to change their posture.

I don't think I need to tag anyone, we all know wich posters I'm refering to. Their very nicknames make it pretty clear.

Cheers and thanks for your time.
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