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04-23-2013 08:26 AM
T.C if the author is holding up the WTA as a shining example of openness, it is interesting to note that there have been very few women tennis pros that are openly gay. so maybe there are just fewer homosexuals in pro tennis therefore few gay male pro tennis players. it could be self selection: I imagine the life on tour of a tennis pro just starting out is difficult enough without the added pressure of dealing with being in or out of the closet.



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04-21-2013 10:23 PM
mseles1
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

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Originally Posted by polarisgalaxy View Post
Regardless of what you personally believe people do care.
Your comment reeks of heterosexism
Again - A person is a complete stranger to 'yourself', means absolutely nothing to 'you', yet 'you' care for their opinion? If so why?
A gayer accused of heterosexism! Just by being me I prove that is most definitely not the case. MTF posters continue to better one another, that comment's a pearler.
04-21-2013 09:34 PM
Wing Man Frank
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

Maybe there aren't any gay professionals?

Why does their have to be?
04-21-2013 09:31 PM
Henry Chinaski
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

who wants the hassle?

I'm sure most players would rather keep their private lives private rather than become an instant icon based simply on their sexual preferences.
04-21-2013 09:11 PM
polarisgalaxy
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

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Originally Posted by mseles1 View Post
Er Dorothy's my friend as they say in some quarters. I told people if they asked & I didn't/haven't ever asked for anyone's approval.
Who in turn have fallen over themselves 'buying into it.' Civil partnerships, marriage, children...

Not necessarily. I work within the artistic community and the number of gay men is relatively high but as I've already commented on, in thirty years my dad hasn't worked with any out gay men in his industry. If it's possible to have no gays in that industry, why not in tennis also?

I would argue it's 'ludicrous' for people to care. A person is a complete stranger to 'yourself', means absolutely nothing to 'you', yet 'you' care for their opinion? If so why?

'I felt like I couldn’t play and come out,' Rogers told Cooper. 'I thought it would be too emotional for me, it would be a circus. I just thought it would be very difficult the impact on the team with the media showing up every day, I’m glad it did it this way. I am happy.'
'I’m not worried about the fans. I’m worried about going to the footballer locker room. If I go back I want to go as a soccer player, not the gay soccer player.'

Doubt & worry seem to have been the problem, not fear.

Some heterosexual men. Running away isn't the answer to bullying. I've never been bullied, I have 'suffered' name calling but ultimately gave as good as I got.
Regardless of what you personally believe people do care. Your comment reeks of heterosexism, Gay youth care, the media care, and society cares. If society is going to be a progressive place then barriers need to be broken down!

The good thing is gay male athletes ARE coming out. In boxing Orlando Cruz is a solid boxer he came out in October last year. Kwame Harris in the NFL came out, as did Robbie Rogers the American soccer player he also came out of the closet.
The more gay men come out of the closet the more they can smash and challenge the homophobia that a gay man cannot be masculine, and excel at sports.
04-21-2013 04:32 PM
mseles1
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

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Of course, you never understood, because heterosexuality is the norm, straight people push their straight lifestyle in the faces of gay people every single day.

It is statistically impossible to say there are no gay men in the ATP top 100. There has to be at least five gay men in the top 100 it is impossible for there to be none.

Your comment about being it pointless that people care is kind of ludicrous.

Homophobia especially against male athletes is a serious issue. Robbie Rogers the American soccer player QUIT the sport because he feared dealing with the homophobia of the heterosexual men. Heterosexual men are the problem they are bullies they attack gay men and keep them silent.
Er Dorothy's my friend as they say in some quarters. I told people if they asked & I didn't/haven't ever asked for anyone's approval.
Who in turn have fallen over themselves 'buying into it.' Civil partnerships, marriage, children...

Not necessarily. I work within the artistic community and the number of gay men is relatively high but as I've already commented on, in thirty years my dad hasn't worked with any out gay men in his industry. If it's possible to have no gays in that industry, why not in tennis also?

I would argue it's 'ludicrous' for people to care. A person is a complete stranger to 'yourself', means absolutely nothing to 'you', yet 'you' care for their opinion? If so why?

'I felt like I couldn’t play and come out,' Rogers told Cooper. 'I thought it would be too emotional for me, it would be a circus. I just thought it would be very difficult the impact on the team with the media showing up every day, I’m glad it did it this way. I am happy.'
'I’m not worried about the fans. I’m worried about going to the footballer locker room. If I go back I want to go as a soccer player, not the gay soccer player.'

Doubt & worry seem to have been the problem, not fear.

Some heterosexual men. Running away isn't the answer to bullying. I've never been bullied, I have 'suffered' name calling but ultimately gave as good as I got.
04-21-2013 03:27 PM
polarisgalaxy
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

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Or none are gay. Worried about being physically harmed possibly. Being made fun of? Pointless caring about what people think about you period. At the very least care what folks think, if the person thinking, means something to you. I've never understood other people coming out helping an individual whatever their age, maybe some people are more reliant on others than me.
Of course, you never understood, because heterosexuality is the norm, straight people push their straight lifestyle in the faces of gay people every single day. The media always point out who the straight guys are dating, who their wives and girlfriends are.

Heterosexuality is not treated as something to be shameful of, to be ridiculed, and mocked and dengeraded.

Heterosexuality is public and homosexuality is treated as private.

It is statistically impossible to say there are no gay men in the ATP top 100. There has to be at least five gay men in the top 100 it is impossible for there to be none.Your comment about being it pointless that people care is kind of ludicrous. Homophobia especially against male athletes is a serious issue. Robbie Rogers the American soccer player QUIT the sport because he feared dealing with the homophobia of the heterosexual men. Heterosexual men are the problem they are bullies they attack gay men and keep them silent. The silence is the answer,
04-21-2013 05:24 AM
mseles1
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

Or none are gay. Worried about being physically harmed possibly. Being made fun of? Pointless caring about what people think about you period. At the very least care what folks think, if the person thinking, means something to you. I've never understood other people coming out helping an individual whatever their age, maybe some people are more reliant on others than me.
04-21-2013 04:10 AM
polarisgalaxy
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

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Why do they have to? It is called the ATP after all, P standing for professionals. Do any professionals here have to go to work and say 'I am gay'? Doubt it.
There are LGBT people around the world who are hiding in the closet some are depressed, some commit suicide.

Sports is transformative look at Jackie Robinson he broke the color barrier in baseball.

The reason no ATP player has come out is due to homophobia. The gay male tennis players don't feel comfortable coming out because they probably worry about the straight guys making fun of them.

If a top player happened to be a gay man and he came out this would tremendous and help a lot of LGBT youth.

Just like Martina Navratilova, Billie Jean King, Amelie Mauresmo have done a lot for lesbians by coming out and being great tennis champions.
04-20-2013 11:19 PM
buddyholly
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

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Why do they have to? It is called the ATP after all, P standing for professionals. Do any professionals here have to go to work and say 'I am gay'? Doubt it.
Nobody has to, but many do. The question here was ''why hasn't'', not ''why don't".

Given the increasingly non-remarkable practice of being openly gay in the workplace, it is a legitimate question as to why pro sports seems to be lagging behind all other professions.
04-20-2013 09:37 PM
fluffyyelloballz
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

Why do they have to? It is called the ATP after all, P standing for professionals. Do any professionals here have to go to work and say 'I am gay'? Doubt it.
04-20-2013 07:07 PM
mseles1
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

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Your comment is heterosexist being gay is not a choice it is a sexual orientation, you are making the assumption that being gay is about sex and it is not.

Being gay is more than just about sex it is about being able to live your life openly.
I'm not convinced homosexuals have a preference, the enis decides. The clue's in the word, at the very least, nine tenths of being homosexual/(from 1960s onwards-gay) is sex. Unless the man's closeted or celibate, I imagine it would then be - nine tenths torture.

Isn't this just a circumstance of life? Human life regardless of sexuality, ethnicity...?


Perhaps none are gay. My dad's a welder, he's never worked with an out gay man in 30 years, plus the gay kids at my school shared an absolute hatred of sport. Pros usually start c.6/7 yrs old or younger.
04-20-2013 06:08 AM
Ivelina_P
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

Has the author read through MTF GM Off-Topic?
There's a huge probability that at least 1 player in the first 20 is gay,and I wouldn't care less if he comes out or not unless he'd used a beard coverage previously.Now that will be a shameless pussy.
04-20-2013 04:33 AM
polarisgalaxy
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

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Johnny, I'm not sure about this. I think it depends on the country.

Anyway, I don't see why any tennis player needs to make an announcement about his sexual preference. Just being private about your sex life doesn't mean you are closeted. Not all straight players parade their girlfriends around. Why hound gay players? Just respect everyone for their choices -- well except Tommy Haas or Safin when they were bringing a whole harems to tournaments.
Your comment is heterosexist being gay is not a choice it is a sexual orientation, you are making the assumption that being gay is about sex and it is not. Being gay is more than just about sex it is about being able to live your life openly.

It isn't about hounding, it is about the fact on the WTA tour they have made progress with numerous lesbian tennis champions coming out.

Meanwhile, the gay male tennis players are hiding their homosexuality because they are afraid of the homophobic straight men.

Heteorsexuality is viewed as public, people don't say Federer is talking about his sex life when he discusses his wife and his two children. When the media ask Andy Murray or Novak Djokovic about their girlfriends is that talking about their sex life? When the media ask Milos Raonic, which female player he wants to play mixed doubles with nobody blinks.
04-20-2013 04:29 AM
polarisgalaxy
Re: Tennis.com article: Why hasn't A Top ATP Male Tennis Pro Come Out As Gay?

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If the futures and Men's Opens level is anything to go by, there are quite a few gay players.

But in this day and age, especially where the majority of players are from Europe, it doesn't matter anymore, imo.

If a gay player came out, most people would be like: "Ok, so what?"

We're not in the 1950's anymore.

I am not sure about that, there is a perception that Europeans are more open minded about homosexuality but the truth is this isn't always the case. Maybe, from a legal perspective but not from a social perspective. Right now in France and England there are a lot of anger about the potential gay marriage laws being passed. Also, in European football there is a lot of homophobia and racism where opposing teams make homophobic chants.

The American soccer player Robbie Rogers quit competing in European football because he said the lockeroom is very homophobic and the straight men are very anti gay.

If it didn't matter why are the gay male tennis players hiding in the closet? There has to be at least five ATP players ranked in the top 100 who are gay. This is a fact of statistics there are probably more than five gay male players though.
Tennis is an individual sport, it isn't a team sport so the players have freedom to do what they want they choose the events they want to compete in too.
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