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02-14-2013 07:23 AM
FlameOn
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

OMG David what?



Nieminen is good but not, like, bakery level .
02-14-2013 05:53 AM
out_here_grindin
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

very rare double bagel of what should have been a fairly even match
02-13-2013 11:07 PM
heya
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

djoker was unaware of the crap Madrid tourney
and let his
anger hurt his effort, but his worry about court surface & health resulted in "good wins".
Goffin, on the other hand, was a lucky loser who
was the wimpy, awkward, pathetic Michael Jackson clone.

PUBLIC joke in AND out of the limelight.
A little laughing stock who admired
Federer's praise for his Fed worship. bagel boy LOLOLOL
02-13-2013 11:07 PM
nolesfan2011
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

I always felt D Goff was overrated, nice kid, decent groundstrokes but he is undersized and lacks weapons, not even the fastest guy out there, still will probably be a top 40 pro, maybe win a couple of titles, but I don't see him winning a slam or masters or anything like that.

He's just a mighty mite without much to distinguish him, and when the errors start flowing he doesn't know where to go or how to adjust.

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Originally Posted by afterglows View Post
David is pretty useless these days. Sad.
02-13-2013 11:03 PM
fran70
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

The player that he lost with that scoreline are real reasons to worry about for Goffin's team. It's quite more than a bad day for him.
02-13-2013 11:02 PM
nolesfan2011
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

the Flying Fin!!
02-13-2013 10:46 PM
Brick Top
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

Laughable result. This clown is hopeless outside of clay.
02-13-2013 09:29 PM
Mateya
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

What? I cannot accept this result.



I got a few double bagels from stronger girls in my mug carrer, but Goffin getting it from Nieminen...just wow.
02-13-2013 07:51 PM
Yolita
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

There's nothing wrong with them, as I said in my first post on this thread. Nothing wrong at all.

But once the comments are out there, they can be used as a source of mirth.

But let's not get off topic.

This is about Nieminen bageling Goffin.

Nieminen: one of the nicest guys on tour, with a great game, permanently under the radar. Also worth noticing that he's older than Roger. Nice win for him. Nice score for him.
02-13-2013 07:26 PM
ProdigyEng
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

I see nothing wrong with those comments by him to Djokovic.
02-13-2013 07:24 PM
Yolita
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

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Originally Posted by The Bulldog View Post
I take your first point and agree. The media have not helped, but that has all stemmed from David (foolishly) admitting his admiration for Federer, or at least to the degree that he did. Aye, it did him no favours.

Your second point is absolute nonsense, sorry. David never trash talked Djokovic, he merely responded to Djokovic's rather prima-donna comments about the court in Charleroi being unplayable. Djokovic was overreacting, and David said exactly the right thing. If Djokovic was so insistent on moaning about the conditions, why was he playing? I'm a great believer in shutting up and getting on with work without moaning. And let's be honest, those comments haven't had a bearing on his career and won't do so in the future.
I think players should expect good conditions of play, because it's their health at stake. Monte Carlo last year was appalling and several players had their clay seasons ruined beacuse of that.

I see nothing wrong with complaining when conditions are not up to standard. Workers in a factory have the right to expect good, safe working conditions, why shouldn't players expect the same? Novak's words actually improved the conditions for everybody because workers worked through the night to make the courts more playable. They still had some holes the next day, but they were 70% better than before.

So, good for Novak for speaking out in favour of safer conditions, he got the job done... but Novak also spoke with his racquet: the day after winning a grand slam title and fulfilling his media obligations, instead of resting, relaxing, celebrating his triumph, he flew accross the world to do his part in securing a Davis Cup tie for Serbia. So he got on with the work, and many players expressesd their admiration for Novak, doing that days after winning a grand slam...How is that being a prima-donna?

Goffin, on the other hand, retorted with that comment, probably just being defensive about his country, probably just trying to be funny ... I don't know... But it made him look silly, especially after the events the following day.

I'm sure he's having a confidence crisis at the moment... He'll get over it and learn from the whole experience...The ATP tour is tough...
02-13-2013 07:16 PM
Hypnotize
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

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Originally Posted by The Bulldog View Post
I take your first point and agree. The media have not helped, but that has all stemmed from David (foolishly) admitting his admiration for Federer, or at least to the degree that he did. Aye, it did him no favours.

Your second point is absolute nonsense, sorry. David never trash talked Djokovic, he merely responded to Djokovic's rather prima-donna comments about the court in Charleroi being unplayable. Djokovic was overreacting, and David said exactly the right thing. If Djokovic was so insistent on moaning about the conditions, why was he playing? I'm a great believer in shutting up and getting on with work without moaning. And let's be honest, those comments haven't had a bearing on his career and won't do so in the future.
I don't remember the exact quote but Goffin said something like, "If he's afraid, he doesn't have to play". He may have meant it as a joke but he could have chosen his words better and it went considerably beyond merely responding to Djokovic's comments about the court. Words like "afraid" are far too emotive to be bandied about and I suspect his comments only succeeded in firing up the Serbian team.

I'm very much with Yolita on this. I'm not remotely annoyed by what he said, but when you talk like that, you better back it up otherwise it's you that looks stupid.
02-13-2013 07:02 PM
The Prince
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

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Originally Posted by Yolita View Post
It's not hatred of Goffin. It's an obvious reaction.

It is only natural that when a player is hyped out of all proportion by pundits and media, when said player loses badly people will enjoy it. That's what happened to Goffin here: the minute he said he had pictures of Roger on his walls the TV commentators and journos adopted him and hailed him as the next big thing in tennis. For no reason at all. They did more harm than good.

Secondly, Goffin didn't do himself any favours by trash-talking Novak during the Davis Cup tie. Don't get me wrong: I'm not against trash-talking, I welcome it, especially during Davis Cup ties, it's expected and adds spice to the proceedings. But the player who does it has to back up his words. You don't trash-talk the #1 player in the world, who is a mental giant, and then proceed to meekly choke a match against Troicki. The previous bravado made the choke much worse

I think Goffin bought the over-hype and is now paying the prize with a total collapse in confidence. He should have known his place within the tennis community. He shouldn't have bought his own hype. He shouldn't have tried to play hard-ball with the big boys. Or as the Spaniards delicately put it: he shouldn't have tried to fart higher than his ass.

He's young, he'll get over it, he'll learn some humility and he'll become more objective in his appraisal of his tennis...I'm not so sure about the pundits and the commies, though.
I take your first point and agree. The media have not helped, but that has all stemmed from David (foolishly) admitting his admiration for Federer, or at least to the degree that he did. Aye, it did him no favours.

Your second point is absolute nonsense, sorry. David never trash talked Djokovic, he merely responded to Djokovic's rather prima-donna comments about the court in Charleroi being unplayable. Djokovic was overreacting, and David said exactly the right thing. If Djokovic was so insistent on moaning about the conditions, why was he playing? I'm a great believer in shutting up and getting on with work without moaning. And let's be honest, those comments haven't had a bearing on his career and won't do so in the future.
02-13-2013 06:56 PM
The Prince
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

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Originally Posted by ProdigyEng View Post
The only good thing about his game imo is his timing... in that sense you could make a case for him being a good counter puncher... but beside from this he has nothing that makes him stands out from the rest. As you can see a lot of my favourites are big hitters, and I don't see this in Goffin at all. Also I find his movement very sloppy, not fluid at all and tough to watch. But hey, I'm no expert and this is my opinion.

2 more things... I've liked Janowicz way before this thing with fed. Did you not see my sig after how many times incident...

And please just believe me when I say I don't despise Fed. I don't like him but I don't despise him either. Feel free to go back on my posts there is a lot of negativity towards fed when I feel its warranted but I've also given him credit countless times i.e after A.O semi final loss in general threads...


But whatever believe what you want, I don't really care I'm not trying to impress any one with my comments just giving my opinion... hope you understand.
The 'only good thing'? Are you being serious?

I'm not going to tell you that Goffin is the next big thing or a future top five player, because he's not, but to say that the only good thing about his game is timing, despite the fact that he's already top fifty, and has beaten some really good posters, just displays a huge lack of common sense.

I've watched David Goffin for over three years now since the embryonic phase of his career, and I can tell you right away that he's relied on a great deal more than timing. Yes there are obvious weaknesses in his game, he doesn't have a big serve, he's not comfortable at the net, but his movement is fine, contrary to what you pointed out. Have you not considered that Goffin possesses one of the sweetest two-handed backhands around at the moment? His forehand isn't bad either, and both are down to more than just timing. There's a supreme level of precision in there, and the power is improving all the time.

I am fine with you being a supporter of Janowicz, why should I have a problem with it? What I do have a problem is that you use this whole Janowicz comments fiasco as a chance to bash Federer. It's not in good taste, in my opinion. I actually quite liked Janowicz pre-Paris. My earliest memory of him was when he played Murray in the Davis Cup in 2009. I guess his ego has grown exponentially since then.

With regards to Federer, whatever. You don't strike me as someone who respects him, but as I said, you say whatever you want.
02-13-2013 06:56 PM
Yolita
Re: Rotterdam R1: Nieminen def. Goffin 6-0 6-0

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Originally Posted by duong View Post
he didn't trashtalk Novak, he just answered to a question "if he thinks the courts are dangerous, he can choose not to play" : your touchiness is really something


I'm not touchy: those comments amused me very much, you can check my posts at that time. They amused me because they reflected Goffin's flawed perceptions about the level of his tennis: Novak complained about the courts because he said he would not be able to move well enough to entertain the crowd. His game would suffer and the show would suffer: but he never doubted that even in those conditions he would prevail.

Those comments made me laugh, Goffin outchoking Troicki made me laugh. Nieminen double-bageling Goffin made me laugh...

This dose of reality will do David good in the long run.

I'm not even slightly worried by what he says... Believe you me. I'm just enjoying the show.
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