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01-31-2013 06:56 AM
FlameOn
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by Gustavo Kuerten View Post
Berdych plays the same amount of MM tournaments, but gets pounded out by clowns.

19 titles > 8 titles
6 H2H wins > 3 H2H wins
Ferrer > Berdych
Reaching a Wimbledon final more than makes up for a few less MM tournament wins. As for the H2H thing, not relevant. I didn't think Nadal was seen a better player than Federer just because he leads the H2H .
01-30-2013 10:31 PM
Mark Lenders
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by Gustavo Kuerten View Post
[youtube]YtOQa5CqaGQ[/youtube]

I got this Djokovic match for you
Big deal, Gulbis has also defeat Nole off Slams as well, and in straight sets. He also played one of the best matches of RG 2008 against Nole in the quarterfinals, while in five Slams meetings with Nole only once has Ferrer left the court without getting a bagel or a breadstick and he lost said match 6-4 6-4 6-3.

There's no doubt Gulbis would provide far more adequate competition to Federer and/or Nole in the late stages of big events than Ferrer.
01-30-2013 10:19 PM
Chris Kuerten
Re: The Ferrer Model

[youtube]YtOQa5CqaGQ[/youtube]

I got this Djokovic match for you
01-30-2013 10:15 PM
Mark Lenders
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by Nole Rules View Post
The Ferrer model =
I prefer watching Gulbis choking leads than watching this guy play.
This. Gulbis is a much better player than Ferrer anyway, tennis would win if he was bumped to #4 seed in the next tournaments. Here are a few lessons of how to play against Federer in general and Djokovic at Slams:

[youtube]Cp2Ido66Iq4[/youtube]

Shame there's no highlights of the 2008 Gulbis vs Djokovic Roland Garros QF on Youtube, but still that's what a match late in Slams is supposed to look like.
01-30-2013 09:42 PM
stewietennis
Re: The Ferrer Model

I'd venture to say the (real) Top 4 have some worries when facing the likes of Berdych, Del Potro and Tsonga however when they know they're playing Ferrer, they're pretty happy. I'd take the small chance that the aforementioned three have of playing 'lights out' tennis than Ferrer's 'roll over and lose' style to the Top 4 (during big tournaments). Whomever has Ferrer in their quarter during majors has the easier draw.
01-30-2013 08:29 PM
Nole Rules
Re: The Ferrer Model

The Ferrer model =
I prefer watching Gulbis choking leads than watching this guy play.
01-30-2013 08:15 PM
Chris Kuerten
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by FlameOn View Post
Berdych is a better player or at least equal . He won a Masters Title like Ferrer but also made a slam final. He just doesn't have as many MM titles.
Berdych plays the same amount of MM tournaments, but gets pounded out by clowns.

19 titles > 8 titles
6 H2H wins > 3 H2H wins
Ferrer > Berdych
01-30-2013 07:58 PM
Sophitia36
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by duong View Post
Besides, it's not true either that Ferrer never loses to lower-ranked players, is never tired ... it may be truer in recent years because he's reached a superior level (but the same can be said of Federer ) but it's not the case overall in his carreer : he has many losses to lower-ranked players and has indeed a very good H2H against top-players.
Of course it's not true. I also get really tired of the myth that he's a "machine", is "never tired", "never makes mistakes"... I mean he does not lose to lower ranked players very often, I believe, but he sometimes does.
I also have the impression that people are very biased against him, and they only see what they want to see. For instance, the commentators really annoy me with their constant comments about how "unusual" it is, whenever he makes a mistake or a DF.
Lately, as I've said before, I noticed that he was making a lot of DFs on hard, so many that it was probably a tactic (forcing his serve to make it more efficient, hoping that overall it would benefit him and compensate for the DFs). There really is nothing unusual about Ferrer double-faulting, yet whenever he does, the commentators never fail to exclaim "Wow! That's very unusual!!!"
Same thing when he starts making a lot of UEs, or when he goes to the net. It's not unusual at all, he tends to have off-moments when he plays badly, sometimes he clearly tired (but since they call him a machine, they can't acknowledge that, even when he says so himself)and lately he's been coming to the net far more than he used to.
But they just choose to keep their stereotypical vision of his tennis, by ignoring the changes or dismissing them as "unusual", and it pisses me off.
01-30-2013 12:19 AM
Brick Top
Re: The Ferrer Model

I think many of the vultures will now look for the opportunity for them selves now when their Messiah has entered TOP 4.
Expecting Monaco to overtake Nadal ASAP.
01-30-2013 12:12 AM
FlameOn
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by The Bulldog View Post
Please don't interpret this as me saying that Berdych and Wawrinka are better players than Ferrer, that's not the case.
Berdych is a better player or at least equal . He won a Masters Title like Ferrer but also made a slam final. He just doesn't have as many MM titles.
01-29-2013 11:16 PM
Pirata.
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by Mark Lenders View Post
You have to be kidding; beating Murray on clay is not a big scalp by any stretch of the imagination.
I love Ferru, but I'll never get tired of this screencap
01-29-2013 11:07 PM
duong
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by Mark Lenders View Post
Really, who would have written those messages? Before this year, Berdych actually had more Wimbledon finals than Murray and led their H2H, no one would have been impressed with him 'almost winning two sets'

And Berdych does lead the H2H vs Djokovic on grass, Tsonga leads Djokovic 4-1 indoors, I don't see many people talking about that. As usual, you're just making up stuff to suit your biased views.
I stop talking to a donkey, I was so stupid doing that.
01-29-2013 11:00 PM
Mark Lenders
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by duong View Post
there would have been tuns of messages if Berdych had been so near to leading 2 sets to love against Murray in Wimbledon and to taking him to a fifth set.

And Murray is as good as anyone on grass and it's Ferrer's worst surface (where he still ridiculmed Del Potro).

Besides, there would be so much shit said if Berdych had a leading H2H against Djokovic on clay.

Yes, I know : as long as it's not Federer or Nadal concerned, nobody cares

But I really think that the best two players in the world now are Djokovic and Murray, not Fed and Nadal.

Did you pee in your pants as well when Simon or Canas defeated Federer ?

Are they those famous "big hitters" about whom I read so many bullshits been said ?

Why does Fed fear Simon more than Söderling or Del Potro ?
Really, who would have written those messages? Before this year, Berdych actually had more Wimbledon finals than Murray and led their H2H, no one would have been impressed with him 'almost winning two sets'

And Berdych does lead the H2H vs Djokovic on grass, Tsonga leads Djokovic 4-1 indoors, I don't see many people talking about that. As usual, you're just making up stuff to suit your biased views.

And in what world does Federer fear effing Simon more than the only player apart from Nadal to beat in a Slam final and the guy who stopped his Slam SF streak (Soderling)? You have to be kidding me.
01-29-2013 10:52 PM
duong
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by Mark Lenders View Post
You have to be kidding; beating Murray on clay is not a big scalp by any stretch of the imagination. Do you know how many titles Murray won on clay in his career? How many finals he reached? How many times he beat top 10 players on clay?

Says a lot about Ferrer's inaptitude on the big stage if that's the only thing you can bring to the table. There'd have been no 'messages' had Berdych beaten Murray on clay at RG, it'd have been a totally expected outcome.
there would have been tuns of messages if Berdych had been so near to leading 2 sets to love against Murray in Wimbledon and to taking him to a fifth set.

And Murray is as good as anyone on grass and it's Ferrer's worst surface (where he still ridiculed Del Potro).

Besides, there would be so much shit said if Berdych had a leading H2H against Djokovic on clay.

Yes, I know : as long as it's not Federer or Nadal concerned, nobody cares

But I really think that the best two players in the world now are Djokovic and Murray, not Fed and Nadal.

Did you pee in your pants as well when Simon or Canas defeated Federer ?

Are they those famous "big hitters" about whom I read so many bullshits been said ?

Why does Fed fear Simon more than Söderling or Del Potro ?

Didn't it knock anything to all the people who keep on spreading that stupid prejudice that old Fed is overpowered by the so-called "big hitters" on quick courts, that the only surface where Söderling defeated Fed, is actually clay ?

By the way, did you enjoy Chardy's forehand lesson to Del Po ? Did it knock anywhere at the external side of the box of your closed mind ?
01-29-2013 10:46 PM
Mark Lenders
Re: The Ferrer Model

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Originally Posted by duong View Post
seldom does it, just like all other players ranked 5-10.

Still defeated Murray in Roland-Garros and was very near from leading 2 sets to love against him in Wimbledon.

If it had been Berdych and a "boom-boom tennis", there would have been tuns of messages about it
You have to be kidding; beating Murray on clay is not a big scalp by any stretch of the imagination. Do you know how many titles Murray won on clay in his career? How many finals he reached? How many times he beat top 10 players on clay?

Says a lot about Ferrer's inaptitude on the big stage if that's the only thing you can bring to the table. There'd have been no 'messages' had Berdych beaten Murray on clay at RG, it'd have been a totally expected outcome.
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