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01-14-2013 12:04 AM
Arakasi
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Originally Posted by retister View Post
Is it possible that this can not be sorted out with some kind of a special shoe?
I don't think so. The problem is his footwork not his shoes. Other players don't struggle in the same way.

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Originally Posted by Alex999 View Post
right, and with that movement he managed to win Wimbledon. uh, oh, yeah, he was in some semis of W too. just atrocious . go, watch some tennis before you post

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Originally Posted by Mr. Oracle View Post
Exactly. Winning wimbledon with "atrocious" movement no less. I think he needs a dictionary. Maybe he thinks Djoker should have to play the qualifiers at wimbledon next year. More great commentary at MTF !
Not in absolute terms but relative to the rest of his game yes, his footwork on grass is very bad. Maybe atrocious was a slight exaggeration, but only slight. Is there any other top player who slips even half as much? It's to his credit if he managed to win Wimbledon despite that.

What I find more interesting is why he has sporadic matches on clay as well where you think he's playing on ice. At least grass on grass it's somewhat consistent.
01-13-2013 10:55 PM
Han Solo
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Originally Posted by GSMnadal View Post
Yes, he only reached the Wimbledon 11 final, US Open 11 final, AO 12 final, he was injured in Wimbledon 12 and didn't even play USO 12 since then.

So he reached 5/6 non clay slam finals or 5/7 if you count Wimbledon 12 as well since Wimbledon 2010, winning 2 of them. Only to lose to Djokovic in the other ones, the best hardcourter in the game. During those runs he beat hardcourt specialists like Murray, Federer, Djokovic, Berdych and many others.

Not an all court player? You must be joking

People need to show some respect. What are the numbers of Federer and Murray during that timespell? Where are Nole's and Andy's career grand slams? Now go back to your tardcaves people.
Yes - he's at least as much of an "all-court" player as Murray is, if not more so. He's better on his least favourite surface than Murray is on his.

People seem to be forgetting just how hard Nadal could be to stop in majors after 2008...
01-13-2013 10:31 PM
Mr. Oracle
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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right, and with that movement he managed to win Wimbledon. uh, oh, yeah, he was in some semis of W too. just atrocious . go, watch some tennis before you post

Exactly. Winning wimbledon with "atrocious" movement no less. I think he needs a dictionary. Maybe he thinks Djoker should have to play the qualifiers at wimbledon next year. More great commentary at MTF !
01-13-2013 10:28 PM
Mr. Oracle
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

This is Djoker's best chance for the calendar/career slam with Nadal questionable for RG, and the King a favourite at every other slam:

USO : WON
WIBLEDON: WON
AO: WON X 3
01-13-2013 09:29 PM
Alex999
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Originally Posted by Arakasi View Post
No. Murray is pretty much a non-factor on clay, and that's despite a very weak clay field. Djokovic's movement on grass is atrocious. Slipping and sliding everywhere. Even on clay he has matches where he's struggling to stay upright.



Federer has 4 Hamburg titles.
right, and with that movement he managed to win Wimbledon. uh, oh, yeah, he was in some semis of W too. just atrocious . go, watch some tennis before you post

01-13-2013 07:54 PM
TigerTim
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

one man will dominate tennis, see picture for proof.
01-13-2013 07:50 PM
retister
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Originally Posted by Arakasi View Post
Djokovic's movement on grass is atrocious. Slipping and sliding everywhere. Even on clay he has matches where he's struggling to stay upright.
Is it possible that this can not be sorted out with some kind of a special shoe?
01-13-2013 06:35 AM
GSMnadal
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Many people including James Bond, Kevin Spacey, myself and Sir Alex Ferguson.
Don't forget Andy's mum
01-13-2013 06:35 AM
GSMnadal
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Originally Posted by Punky View Post
but rafa didnt win a non clay title since USO 2010
that say alot about his 'all-court player' no?
Yes, he only reached the Wimbledon 11 final, US Open 11 final, AO 12 final, he was injured in Wimbledon 12 and didn't even play USO 12 since then.

So he reached 5/6 non clay slam finals or 5/7 if you count Wimbledon 12 as well since Wimbledon 2010, winning 2 of them. Only to lose to Djokovic in the other ones, the best hardcourter in the game. During those runs he beat hardcourt specialists like Murray, Federer, Djokovic, Berdych and many others.

Not an all court player? You must be joking

People need to show some respect. What are the numbers of Federer and Murray during that timespell? Where are Nole's and Andy's career grand slams? Now go back to your tardcaves people.
01-13-2013 06:26 AM
Honestly
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

Obviously.
01-13-2013 06:20 AM
paseo
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Many people including James Bond, Kevin Spacey, myself and Sir Alex Ferguson.
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I like that you come before Sir Alex Ferguson........and James Bond is a fictional character.....going by that logic you can include Snow White and Fellowship of the Ring too
01-13-2013 03:40 AM
atennisfan
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Originally Posted by bounccer View Post
Nadal is amazing on hard courts when he's at his top level, but when he plays average, he's much more vulnerable than on the others surface. Djokovic is not better on grass, probably worse despite his Wimbledon title.

Federer on clay = Nadal on hard (the field is way tougher on hard courts than on clay) > Djokovic on grass > Murray on clay
Federer on clay > Nadal on hard.

Remember, without Nadal (aka the best claycourter ever), Federer would have won at least 5 RGs. And Federer has defended clay title.
01-13-2013 03:39 AM
Lestat
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Originally Posted by ProdigyEng View Post
Alright your Murray trolling is getting to a highly annoying level, and espescially annoying considering I barely make negative comments to Nadal. So, lets make a little bet. If Murray wins just ONE clay tournament in his career, you have to declare love to him in your sig and keep it there permanently... If he doesn't win one, I will do whatever you request within reason.
get use to, Murraytards deeply hate Nulltards in MTF. The feeling is reciprocal.
01-13-2013 03:34 AM
atennisfan
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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Wait a second. Nadal is an 'all-court player'?? WTF? The man can't even step foot on a hardcourt without his knees dropping off.

Djokovic and Murray are by definition all-court players. It just happens to be that Federer is amazing on grass while Nadal is unbeatable on clay.
I agree.

Djokovic is more all court player than Nadal is.

Nadal got lucky with USO. and Nadal has never been able to defend hard court title.
01-13-2013 03:00 AM
Mountaindewslave
Re: Is the dominance of tennis moving on to Djokovic and Murray?

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I didn't say he is a bad HC player, I just think a player at his level should win more outside of clay
Yes in 2011 he list a lot to nole but there are a lot if other HC events

It's been a long time since his last title outside of clay

I wonder what will be this year, will he flourish in April and may in the clay season and just like the last year that's it? Or will he come back and win a title?

I think 80% if rafas title are clay
I mean for sure Nadal 'should have' but look at how many opportunities he had, it does show he's an all court player. he's lost 3 Wimbledon finals, I mean if he won those obviously he would be one of the greatest grass court players ever, unfortunately he didn't. not as strongly but to some degree, Nadal was rather close to getting some big hard court event wins too to add to his resume

I think he'll either come back red hot or it will be practically the beginning of the end. if his and his teams claims are true about the knee then it would be expected that he'd come back into full form after some time of building confidence. we'll seee!!!
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