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03-31-2014 04:00 AM
motorhead
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

strange cause I didn't read anything about this cancellation while there were several articles about the Napoli CH being cancelled on italian websites.
03-30-2014 11:31 PM
Sombrerero loco
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

last update on march the 7th. i guess we will have a new one really soon =D
03-30-2014 11:13 PM
motorhead
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

Just noticed the Rome Rai Open, usually held the 3rd week of April is not in the calendar
03-07-2013 04:35 PM
duong
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

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Originally Posted by lilygotsilly View Post
Everyone knows that the type of tennis played today is far harder on these players. Even old pros like McEnroe and Borg admit this. The points and games are not always longer, but if you compare rallies - it's very different. Even the intensity of which Nadal swings a racquet has never been seen before. It's shocking he hasn't had more shoulder/arm issues.
As far as the shoulder and elbow are concerned, clearly modern rackets are less tough for the body than the old ones.

Modern tennis is harder for the legs but not for the arms.

And players are much better phsycially prepared, at least in the top-50

... it may be different at a lower level and you may be right for that, especially I'm stunned by the number of youngsters who have been sidelined for injury in the recent years.
03-07-2013 04:11 PM
lilygotsilly
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

Sorry - the chart looked good when I put it in, but looks like crap now that it's posted.

The bottom line is the Totals for 4 separate years, including projection for this year.
03-07-2013 04:10 PM
lilygotsilly
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

Futures #s for this decade and projected for this year: Parenthesis = #'s that fall between two months. ( BR= First 6 Brazilian Futures cancelled 2012)

MTH 2010 2011 2012 2013

Jan 17 28 24 (4 BR) 23

Feb 25 21 29 (2 BR) 30

Mar 34 41 52 42

Apr 37 51 41 41

May 40 61 57 66 (77)

June 51 51 69 53 (42)

July 53 59 58

Aug 52 64 63 (81)

Sept 61 70 75 (57)

Oct 55 53 52

Nov 40 35 44

Dec 14 12 19


TOTAL 479 546 583 ~550


Not sure what this tells us, but just thought it was interesting how many futures were added in 11,12. And now a dip early this year.
03-07-2013 04:05 PM
lilygotsilly
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

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I read a doctor having worked in Roland-Garros for long : he thought that what you say is the description of the tennis from the past, when players actually did keep on playing when injured or having some problems, but now players stopped playing earlier when they had problems. Besides, players are more closely followed by doctors. And I also think that PEDs do help like in football where players play so much more often and better than in the past ...

Everyone knows that the type of tennis played today is far harder on these players. Even old pros like McEnroe and Borg admit this. The points and games are not always longer, but if you compare rallies - it's very different. Even the intensity of which Nadal swings a racquet has never been seen before. It's shocking he hasn't had more shoulder/arm issues.
03-07-2013 10:57 AM
duong
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

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This may veer off topic a bit, but I am curious what everyone thinks about TOO MUCH TENNIS.

In other words, with the way the game is played today, it's brutal as compared to the past. Players are constantly sick, fatigued or injured, which obviously reduces the quality of tennis. Now, even most of the great matches at the top levels are played with some sort of physical issue in the background with at least one of the players.
I read a doctor having worked in Roland-Garros for long : he thought that what you say is the description of the tennis from the past, when players actually did keep on playing when injured or having some problems, but now players stopped playing earlier when they had problems. Besides, players are more closely followed by doctors. And I also think that PEDs do help like in football where players play so much more often and better than in the past ...
03-07-2013 12:30 AM
lilygotsilly
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

This may veer off topic a bit, but I am curious what everyone thinks about TOO MUCH TENNIS.

In other words, with the way the game is played today, it's brutal as compared to the past. Players are constantly sick, fatigued or injured, which obviously reduces the quality of tennis. Now, even most of the great matches at the top levels are played with some sort of physical issue in the background with at least one of the players.

Maybe at the lower levels physical fitness isn't such a concern for organizers and fans. But wouldn't less Tennis = Higher Quality Tennis?

I know. This doesn't adress nor solve the issue of money and players making a living outside the top 50. Obviously higher prize payouts and more perks would solve a lot of this. But I understand it's a lot more complicated than this. Just like reducing or moving tournaments around.

One last thought - WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THOSE EARLY BRAZILIAN FUTURES?? I questioned some in the industry early in 2012 and was told lack of sponsorship of course. But then Florianopolis became a WTA event and Sao Paulo now holds season ending Challenger Chps. Maybe just a re prioritizing by Brazil?
01-08-2013 07:36 AM
Uncle Latso
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There where way too many to begin with ! At least now this should cut down on weak fields !
01-08-2013 04:20 AM
Nathaliia
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

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There where way too many to begin with ! At least now this should cut down on weak fields !
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No Bath Challenger ?
the citizens of bath are being spared their weak field this year

worrying times for players, must switch to a shower
01-08-2013 04:09 AM
motorhead
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

reading the betting part in the last pages one might get the idea bet365 is constantly losing money on futures, I've my doubts about it.
01-08-2013 12:03 AM
Super Djoker
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

No Bath Challenger ?
01-08-2013 12:00 AM
Super Djoker
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

There where way too many to begin with ! At least now this should cut down on weak fields !
01-07-2013 05:40 PM
bjurra
Re: Worrying times: lots of challengers missing in 2013

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BS

Move on

wonder why Savic didn't just do his scams on Futures level. Crazy huh.. http://shanktennis.com/2012/10/14/da...red/#more-1163
He most likely did. He then moved on to bigger cash and got caught.
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