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12-13-2012 06:28 AM
Time Violation
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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Originally Posted by J99 View Post
"Dark City" is a mystery before it's sci-fi
So there can't be any mystery in order to be sci-fi? I respect your opinion, but you totally made that up and proclaimed it a fact, it just doesn't work like that
12-13-2012 05:24 AM
Transcender
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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Originally Posted by Jverweij View Post
this is nitpicking of the highest order, cmon man. You can just as easily say District 9 is sci-fi with an action and thriller element in it. Same goes for all the other films you mentioned. Sci-fi elements, means its science fiction. A film can be both science fiction and thriller...it's called a sci-fi thriller. It is not one or the other.
No it's not, the point is that in like all films sci-fi comes 2nd, it's not the main point, if you don't get this then there is nothing more I can say.
12-09-2012 04:43 PM
Jverweij
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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Originally Posted by Echoes View Post
I think science fiction is usually shit.

I guess it's just what Philippe Muray used to say: "The Unreal has become a social command".

We hate this 'harsh' Real world, so we wish to escape it and dream.

I believe the best literature is the one in which the author tells us what they have to say about Life's problems and those who wanna live in a "fantasy world of childish banalities" (to paraphrase Sir Alec Guinness).

And that's what the greatest authors did: Dickens, Goethe, Hugo, Dostoevsky, etc.

I like SF fictions when they are dystopias like Orwell's 1984 (which wasn't meant to be SF by the way) or Huxley's Brave New World. Great works to denounce this shit Progress teleology.

Or in cinema, Abel Gance's La fin du monde is a masterpiece.

I also rather enjoyed the Back to the Future trilogy because it was still connected to the real world but how the world of 2015 was depicted is shit. I mean it's two years and one month from now and I still don't see hooverboards or flying cars.


corrected that one sentence for you. I understand why you don't like what you describe as science fiction. Maybe we should make a distinction between science fiction and science fantasy. As far as I know, the point of SciFi is that it is connected to the real world mostly. In good scifi, there are some elements that are not possible now, but are not entirely inconceivable. So this will include films about the future, films where first contact is made, films with certain technologies that are as of yet not available, but still plausible.
Science fantasy however is more fantasy than science (Star Wars for instance).

I agree with you that quite a few science fiction films suffer from unbelievable claims, and I too really don't enjoy those. There are plenty that do it quite well though
12-08-2012 04:02 PM
Echoes
Re: the SCI-FI thread

SF usually is shit.

I guess it's just what Philippe Muray used to say: "The Unreal has become a social command".

We hate this 'harsh' Real world, so we wish to escape it and dream.

I believe the best literature is the one in which the author tells us what they have to say about Life's problems and those who wanna live in a "fantasy world of childish banalities" (to paraphrase Sir Alec Guinness).

And that's what the greatest authors did: Dickens, Goethe, Hugo, Dostoevsky, etc.

I like SF fictions when they are dystopias like Orwell's 1984 (which wasn't meant to be SF by the way) or Huxley's Brave New World. Great works to denounce this shit Progress teleology.

Or in cinema, Abel Gance's La fin du monde is a masterpiece.

I also rather enjoyed the Back to the Future trilogy because it was still connected to the real world but how the world of 2015 was depicted is shit. I mean it's two years and one month from now and I still don't see hooverboards or flying cars.
12-08-2012 02:29 PM
jmjhb
Re: the SCI-FI thread

I'm a big fan of Battlestar Galactica (the 2003 version), shame the spin-off prequel Caprica wasn't too great.

Blood and Chrome has just been released though, I'm looking forward to watching that in full.
12-08-2012 11:53 AM
Jverweij
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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Originally Posted by J99 View Post
Of course it's not a fact because I said so, it's a fact because it's a fact.

"Source Code" is pretty much a thriller with sci-fi elements, same thing with "Adjustment Bureau" and "Gattaca", "Dark City" is a mystery before it's sci-fi, "District 9" is an action-thriller with sci-fi, even then it seems to be a thinly veiled political film, "Moon" and "The Man From Earth" are dramas with sci-fi.
this is nitpicking of the highest order, cmon man. You can just as easily say District 9 is sci-fi with an action and thriller element in it. Same goes for all the other films you mentioned. Sci-fi elements, means its science fiction. A film can be both science fiction and thriller...it's called a sci-fi thriller. It is not one or the other.
12-08-2012 01:20 AM
Transcender
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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It's a fact because you say so? I don't think so



What about Moon, The Man from Earth, Gattaca, Source Code, District 9, The Adjustment Bureau, Dark City etc.
Of course it's not a fact because I said so, it's a fact because it's a fact.

"Source Code" is pretty much a thriller with sci-fi elements, same thing with "Adjustment Bureau" and "Gattaca", "Dark City" is a mystery before it's sci-fi, "District 9" is an action-thriller with sci-fi, even then it seems to be a thinly veiled political film, "Moon" and "The Man From Earth" are dramas with sci-fi.
12-08-2012 01:09 AM
Transcender
Re: the SCI-FI thread

One of the few films that I would possibly consider actual sci-fi is "Solaris" by Tarkovsky, although I feel that it's maybe more surrealism than sci-fi, it still seems to be an attempt at true sci-fi, the reason why there isn't more real sci-fi movies is because it's either very difficult to film and translate to the screen, or hollywood has decided that it won't sell, if the films did end up like "Solaris" much of the time, it would be a hard sell IMO.
12-01-2012 02:42 PM
Time Violation
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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Originally Posted by Jverweij View Post
really? i thought both Holmes films were an incoherent mess...
Yea, most of the review sites usually give them around 6/10 to 7/10, which is largely the same as I feel
12-01-2012 01:33 PM
Jverweij
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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I don't know, I watched it and I think it's alright. Of course, it's not quite the same as the original, but I think it doesn't really matter. For example, I'm a huge fan of Sherlock Holmes, and from the book's standpoint the versions with Robert Downey are grotesque/abominations, but if you don't think about the book all the time, they are decent action movies
really? i thought both Holmes films were an incoherent mess...
12-01-2012 10:57 AM
Time Violation
Re: the SCI-FI thread

I don't know, I watched it and I think it's alright. Of course, it's not quite the same as the original, but I think it doesn't really matter. For example, I'm a huge fan of Sherlock Holmes, and from the book's standpoint the versions with Robert Downey are grotesque/abominations, but if you don't think about the book all the time, they are decent action movies
12-01-2012 10:12 AM
Jverweij
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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Originally Posted by hat__boy View Post
Yeah Verhoeven's of course, though I haven't seen the remake.

I'll add Cronenberg's Videodrome and eXistenZ too.
I've seen it, and I strongly advise you to not follow in my footsteps :P

Jessica Biel AND Kate Beckinsale and it was still horrible
12-01-2012 09:57 AM
Ben.
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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Originally Posted by Jverweij View Post
surely you don't mean the latest installment of Total Recall, but the Paul Verhoeven version?

How about Inception? or Jurassic Park?
Yeah Verhoeven's of course, though I haven't seen the remake.

I'll add Cronenberg's Videodrome and eXistenZ too.
12-01-2012 05:46 AM
Jverweij
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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Originally Posted by hat__boy View Post
I think J99 should at least give us an example of a 'real sci-fi' film. Unless he/she think there are none, in which case I would suggest taking a look at asmazif and Taejin's lists.

Surely Blade Runner and other adaptations of Dick's novels count? I really liked A Scanner Darkly. Minority Report and Total Recall are good too.
surely you don't mean the latest installment of Total Recall, but the Paul Verhoeven version?

How about Inception? or Jurassic Park?
12-01-2012 05:44 AM
Jverweij
Re: the SCI-FI thread

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Yeah, and those are all movies that fit the description of what I said, there isn't any real sci-fi in them, just action-suspense-horror-popcorn-mainstreamism.
ok first of all, mainstreamism is not a genre.
An argument can be made that Star Wars is Science Fantasy, if one were inclined to do so.

Both Alien and Predator however are Science Fiction films. That they can be classified as SciFi thrillers does not make them any less SciFi.

But why don't you give us your definition of true SciFi, then we can put an end to this bickering.
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