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11-19-2012 03:06 PM
Daniel_amr
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

The Atp system is quite unfair to early stages and I think difference between champion and Runner up is way too big. We may adjust some points definitely. It doesn't make much sense that a CH titlist gets almost the same points as runner up in ATP 250. Perhaps a 100 and 80 points for challenger instead than the ones 120 and 90 we have.
Anyhow, I don't agree changing to the ATP ranking system but we must make some adjustments
11-13-2012 12:18 PM
SamR03A
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

TT is pretty random, especially in the late stages, so giving as many points to a single match win as in ATP isn't really great.

Example: in a GS Final - picking the winner of 3 IRL matches - using ATP system there will be a difference of 800 points between winner and loser. Which is the same as the difference between going 17-1 and 0-4 in a month of 250s.
11-13-2012 11:44 AM
Mae
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

I voted to keep it the same. If it isn't broken, it doesn't need to be fixed.
11-12-2012 09:18 PM
rvugt I am saying it here again, i think it would be nice to have the same breakdown as the atp. Than youreally feel like you play there. But i agree on the transition year. So this year maintain the ranking and meanwhile start up the new system. Otherwise it would be not fair.


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10-31-2012 07:24 AM
AdeyC
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

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Originally Posted by sfar View Post
Because there is a huge point difference between big events and Challengers. And for real tennis it may be Ok, but not for TT.
I voted for staying with the current system for the same reason. It's tough enough for players to get out of Challengers as it is - a change would make it even tougher for Challenger level players.
10-30-2012 10:24 PM
Transcender
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

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Originally Posted by sfar View Post
Because there is a huge point difference between big events and Challengers. And for real tennis it may be Ok, but not for TT.
So you want everyone on a more level playing field is that it, I get it, but on the other hand, I think if you are ranked in the top 50, you should not be playing CH's in TT, that's what I call unfair to the lower ranked players if you want to use the same logic you just said about the ranking points.
10-30-2012 10:18 PM
sfar
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

Because there is a huge point difference between big events and Challengers. And for real tennis it may be Ok, but not for TT.
10-30-2012 10:03 PM
Transcender
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

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Originally Posted by sfar View Post
I like it as it is, I don't like the current ATP point system.
Why not?
10-28-2012 10:21 PM
sfar
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

I like it as it is, I don't like the current ATP point system.
10-27-2012 07:20 PM
Goldenoldie
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

I endorse the current system, and applaud fsilva's idea of a lower tier for futures. Hopefully we are attracting more players, which will mean more Futures.
10-27-2012 07:09 PM
mateusz2904
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

I think we should swich to ATP system. If someone is able to 'convert' rankings during off-season, it shouldn't be a problem.

Personally, I don't think we should give more points for challengers. I spent a lot of time building my rankings to play ATP tournaments regulary (it was 2 years I think) and it shouldn't be easier now.
10-26-2012 01:14 AM
keqtqiadv
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

There hasn't been much discussion on this topic, but we're opening a poll anyway. Which of the systems do you prefer, the ATP system or the current TT system? Please vote (TT players only).

The suggestion of giving points for wins in qualifying will be discussed/voted in the TT Changes thread.
10-22-2012 07:01 PM
Thunderfish8
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

I have a few opinions.

1. I am totally fine with adjusting certain things like rewarding more points per round (e.g. Finalists getting more than half the champions points in TT as opposed to exactly half as many in ATP). It basically gives points for winning matches instead of making 8 QF equal to 1 title.
I guess it rewards consistency??? Idk, but I like it.

2. What bugs me is the way that the points are scaled back. It doesn't make sense to me that a challenger title is worth a bit less than an ATP 250 final. The 250 field is much more competitive and although you could argue that the picks are more difficult, everybody is at the same advantage/disadvantage. It's all comparative. I understand that it is designed to help newcomers rise up faster, but it is almost too easy.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is:
Let's continue to adjust points per round to give more credit to finalists, semifinalists, etc.
But rescale the ATP events to match the current ATP ranking system (e.g. Slams = 2000 ; Masters = 1000)
It's fine if you want to make a GS final worth 1300 points, or a Masters SF worth 450 points or something. Just don't treat CH on the same level as ATP 250 events.
10-20-2012 04:36 PM
supertom
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

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Originally Posted by Hidalgo View Post
it will be not too interesting

adreed. but maybe some points for players (teams) who lost in Final round Qualies of ATP250 (ATP500, ATP1000) (and in the 2d round and final round qualies of GS)
I agree with the last idea to promote the qualifications by giving some points in different tournaments (if the QD is complete)
10-20-2012 04:10 PM
Goldenoldie
Re: TT 2012 - Ranking System?

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Originally Posted by abollo View Post
I think we should use the breakdown from the ATP. For me I don't think it would have a negative effect on newcomers or challengers players. I think that would make it easier not harder for new players to rise in the ranking especially when they are playing grand slams for example. In ATP it's uncommon that low ranked players would defeat seeded players in first rounds in slams, while in TT it's always possible as there are always equal chances to win any match.
If it happened I think a transition would be the whole next year I think using two parallel rankings, the normal one we currently using and creating a parallel one with a new ranking system which won't be used and then in the beginning of 2014 start using the new one.
Maybe a vote would help see what the majority really wants?!

Thanks
It depends what you mean by low ranked. Only a very few low ranked players even play in the first round of slams
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