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01-02-2016 11:59 AM
Loosie
Re: Player/Coach Changes /"The Changing of the Guard"

Raonic has added Carlos Moya to his team.
12-27-2015 12:41 AM
MaratandMilos
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by Transcender View Post
Well I'm saying that it's hard to believe someone who isn't supposedly feeling well wins St. Petersburg.
For anybody that actually watched him play any of those matches at St. Petersburg, that wouldn't be too surprising. But you're right, I guess he totally faked his injury and missed the last month of the season for fun.
12-26-2015 01:09 AM
Transcender
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by MaratandMilos View Post
He finished #14, less than 500 points out of the top 10, despite missing a bulk of the season and not being healthy from April on. How on earth is it not obvious?


So the wincing and struggling to move throughout matches after he returned in the summer was all a fake. As was him missing the entire European indoor season to close 2015 (which is his strength)...I'm sure he made that up too.
Well I'm saying that it's hard to believe someone who isn't supposedly feeling well wins St. Petersburg.
12-09-2015 02:11 PM
bananans
Re: Player/Coach Changes /"The Changing of the Guard"

Ljubicic goes to Federer.
11-28-2015 06:43 AM
finishingmove
Re: Raonic Ditches Ljubicic

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Originally Posted by Mountaindewslave View Post
Ivan overachieving? if anything he underachieved, he was far from mentally the strongest in big matches and its his ability that won him plenty. Stop hating

if you seriously think that Raonic has some unfound potential that he can expose with 'proper training' then you're delusional. the guy has a great serve and power but no player can just magically create skills in touch/variety or make their legs move twice as fast

Raonic is stuck where he is lately partially due to injuries, yes, but permanently stuck below the top 5 due to his footspeed and his overall shotmaking. he has one plan: power play. there is no plan B. and because of that Raonic will never be a top echalant player. it sure as hell isn't Ljubicic's fault
For any player, there's a coach who can:
1. Make him better
2. Keep him just as good for an extended period of time
3. Do nothing good for him, or even do bad

Ljubicic falls in the 3rd group.

As for claiming this servebot underachieved... Lay off the dew for a while.
11-28-2015 01:21 AM
DTLB
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

Maybe Ljubicic ended the relationship.

Or maybe Raonic ended the relationship because he didn't see enough value in paying Ljubicic [Raonic sounds like a tightwad to declare non-residency to avoid Canadian tax] for something that Piatti was predominately doing...
11-27-2015 10:41 PM
afterglows
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by MaratandMilos View Post
He finished #14, less than 500 points out of the top 10, despite missing a bulk of the season and not being healthy from April on. How on earth is it not obvious?
Yes but you have to aknowledge that Milos wasn't only one with injury troubles.
The #9 and #10 also had their share this season. Tsonga missed a lot too. He played 18 tournements (Milos played 20). Gasquet missed 2 months during the spring and had to withdraw of a M1000 this summer (he played 21 tournements, so only 1 more than Milos).
If all of them have been 100% healthy, the final ranking would not be obvious... Well, at least as far as I am concerned I can't predicted what would have happened.
11-27-2015 10:27 PM
MaratandMilos
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by Transcender View Post
Of course it's not obvious he would be in the top 10, nor firmly.
He finished #14, less than 500 points out of the top 10, despite missing a bulk of the season and not being healthy from April on. How on earth is it not obvious?

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No, I am saying that people claim he wasn't healthy for the entire season after May, I am saying that maybe he was healthy since then.
So the wincing and struggling to move throughout matches after he returned in the summer was all a fake. As was him missing the entire European indoor season to close 2015 (which is his strength)...I'm sure he made that up too.
11-27-2015 10:20 PM
Transcender
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by MaratandMilos View Post
The fact that he was still #14 with that TB record despite missing several months and not playing healthy in the 2nd half says it all. He obviously would have been firmly in the top 10 had he played the entire season.

And what is this shit about "allegedly?" Did he just make up his surgery in May then?
Of course it's not obvious he would be in the top 10, nor firmly.

No, I am saying that people claim he wasn't healthy for the entire season after May, I am saying that maybe he was healthy since then.
11-27-2015 10:17 PM
MaratandMilos
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by Transcender View Post
^ We shall see what happens with a as you say healthy Milos, if he can produce the kind of clutchness, he did before he was alledgedly not well since April.
The fact that he was still #14 with that TB record despite missing several months and not playing healthy in the 2nd half says it all. He obviously would have been firmly in the top 10 had he played the entire season.

And what is this shit about "allegedly?" Did he just make up his surgery in May then?
11-27-2015 10:12 PM
Transcender
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

^ We shall see what happens with a as you say healthy Milos, if he can produce the kind of clutchness, he did before he was alledgedly not well since April.
11-27-2015 10:07 PM
MaratandMilos
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by Transcender View Post
I'm saying that top 10 year was when he was winning 75% of the TB's he played, which is out of this world, so it's pretty hard to expect him to keep doing that, as his 51% rate of the past year says, it has nothing to do with health, just the law of averages, I mean if he can produce that kind of clutchness again then great, some luck too obv.
He was #14 in 2015 while missing several months of tennis and not being healthy from April on. And that was with the mediocre TB record below both his 2014 (75%) and career (59%) levels, as you say. How is he not capable of a top 10 level considering that? If anything, that supports the fact that he is a top 10 caliber player.
11-27-2015 09:57 PM
Transcender
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by MaratandMilos View Post
No, I'm saying he maintained a top 10 level for well over a year, reached #4 before he got hurt, and was still 14th in the world in 2015 despite not being healthy from April on. That kind of consistent performance level has nothing to do with luck.

And yeah, when you hold your serve at the 2nd highest rate in the sport behind Karlovic, you can afford to have a bad return rate and still be a high level player on the ATP. He's shown that for several years now.
I'm saying that top 10 year was when he was winning 75% of the TB's he played, which is out of this world, so it's pretty hard to expect him to keep doing that, as his 51% rate of the past year says, it has nothing to do with health, just the law of averages, I mean if he can produce that kind of clutchness again then great, some luck too obv.
11-27-2015 09:53 PM
MaratandMilos
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by Transcender View Post
So you are going to try and tell me that Milos low return points won % of 30.2 and his excellent TB winning percentage that was 75% and now has fallen to a typical 51% this year is going to bode well for his future success, I really doubt it, he's going to have to be really lucky or really clutch or both.
No, I'm saying he maintained a top 10 level for well over a year, reached #4 before he got hurt, and was still 14th in the world in 2015 despite not being healthy from April on. That kind of consistent performance level has nothing to do with luck.

And yeah, when you hold your serve at the 2nd highest rate in the sport behind Karlovic, you can afford to have a bad return rate and still be a high level player on the ATP. He's shown that for several years now.
11-27-2015 09:45 PM
Transcender
Re: Player/Coach Changes (Raonic splits w/ Ivan Ljubicic)

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Originally Posted by MaratandMilos View Post
Bullshit. He was 14th in the world just this year while not even being healthy for over half the season. Before that, he was a fixture in the top 10 for over a year.
So you are going to try and tell me that Milos low return points won % of 30.2 and his excellent TB winning percentage that was 75% and now has fallen to a typical 51% this year is going to bode well for his future success, I really doubt it, he's going to have to be really lucky or really clutch or both.
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