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07-28-2016 07:51 PM
Pratik
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by Crysis View Post
I did. No help.
So, over night I wipe HD, which is never fun. After all the pain,
I open up Firefox, go to few sites, nothing.
Next, go to MTF and you got to be kidding me, the thing is back, on the very first f-ing click.
I am typing this 2 hours after initial set up, because it decided to leave me alone this time.
I noticed, when it shows, several url's pop up in the taskbar, trying to load, and by the look of it, pure scam and malware.
Since my HD is squeaky clean, could it be that MTF is infected?
You have paid ads here?, and I bet they squeezed some spam along the way.
One way to avoid it is to start using ad block.

Note that, in general, different people receive different ads on the same website because most ads are directed. That includes location, but also goes beyond it. So, someone else receiving the same ad as you is not a given.
07-28-2016 03:46 PM
Beta2k
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by fridge46 View Post
But tournaments prize money will cover 16 R1 losers (for a 32 draw tournament). If you got prize money just for signing up, everyone would enter every tournament and withdraw after the draw and collect a few thousand $/€ - would be a farce
I doubt that "everyone" would do that but of course, it doesn't make sense.
07-28-2016 03:38 PM
fridge46
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by Beta2k View Post
one line of argumentation would be, because you got acceptance into the tournament.
But tournaments prize money will cover 16 R1 losers (for a 32 draw tournament). If you got prize money just for signing up, everyone would enter every tournament and withdraw after the draw and collect a few thousand $/€ - would be a farce
07-28-2016 03:28 PM
Beta2k
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by fridge46 View Post
I believe no prize money. Why should you get any if you dont play in a tournament?!
one line of argumentation would be, because you got acceptance into the tournament.

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Originally Posted by fridge46 View Post
Problem is finding an example of this, will be like looking for a needle in a haystack!
shouldn't this be covered in the rules somewhere somehow? so no need to look for an example, but rather check the rulebook?

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Originally Posted by fridge46 View Post
@Beta2k
I found the tournament I was thinking of: Marseille 2007
07-28-2016 03:05 PM
Litotes
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by Crysis View Post
I did. No help.
So, over night I wipe HD, which is never fun. After all the pain,
I open up Firefox, go to few sites, nothing.
Next, go to MTF and you got to be kidding me, the thing is back, on the very first f-ing click.
I am typing this 2 hours after initial set up, because it decided to leave me alone this time.
I noticed, when it shows, several url's pop up in the taskbar, trying to load, and by the look of it, pure scam and malware.
Since my HD is squeaky clean, could it be that MTF is infected?
You have paid ads here?, and I bet they squeezed some spam along the way.
MTF being infected sounds unlikely. We haven't heard of this problem from anyone else. I doubt you're the only one using Firefox. I can only apologize, my knowledge of this stuff is not good enough to suggest a better solution. But I'll ask forum techs about it.
07-28-2016 03:00 PM
fridge46
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by zjtennis View Post
@fridge46 Late entry hence the Qualies or forced himself to play it?
Not a clue. Here is the thread discussing the Q draw:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/670-...ying-draw.html
07-28-2016 02:55 PM
Crysis
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by Litotes View Post
I've never seen this ad.

Have you tried deleting cookies?
I did. No help.
So, over night I wipe HD, which is never fun. After all the pain,
I open up Firefox, go to few sites, nothing.
Next, go to MTF and you got to be kidding me, the thing is back, on the very first f-ing click.
I am typing this 2 hours after initial set up, because it decided to leave me alone this time.
I noticed, when it shows, several url's pop up in the taskbar, trying to load, and by the look of it, pure scam and malware.
Since my HD is squeaky clean, could it be that MTF is infected?
You have paid ads here?, and I bet they squeezed some spam along the way.
07-28-2016 02:46 PM
zjtennis
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

@fridge46 Late entry hence the Qualies or forced himself to play it?
07-28-2016 01:57 PM
fridge46
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

@Beta2k

I found the tournament I was thinking of: Marseille 2007

Stepanek came through Q: http://www.protennislive.com/posting/2007/496/qs.pdf

But withdraw before playing his R1 match (rib injury) and was replaced by an LL: http://www.protennislive.com/posting/2007/496/mds.pdf

He received 5 ranking points (for winning qualifying) but no prize money - not even qualifying Prize Money

07-28-2016 01:39 PM
fridge46
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by Beta2k View Post
thanks again.

so in the case of losing in the first round due to W.O. (and assuming that there is NO LL available) => you will get the prize money, correct?
I believe no prize money. Why should you get any if you dont play in a tournament?!

Problem is finding an example of this, will be like looking for a needle in a haystack!
07-28-2016 01:25 PM
Beta2k
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

thanks again.

so in the case of losing in the first round due to W.O. (and assuming that there is NO LL available) => you will get the prize money, correct?
07-28-2016 01:23 PM
fridge46
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by Beta2k View Post
aaah great stuff. thanks! i think this should clarify nearly all possibilities

one more question comes up: what if a Q has to W.O. in the first round? maybe if he gets injured after FQR but before the first round of the MD. can he be replaced by an LL?
Yes. It has happened before, but exact examples escape at the moment - though I do vaguely remember an instant in early 2007!
07-28-2016 01:21 PM
Pratik
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by Beta2k View Post
the following questions come up regularly for me and I always forget the answer:

do you get (loser's) prize money for a RET ? (i would assume yes)
do you get (loser's) prize money for a W.O. that occurs in the first round ? (i would assume no)
do you get (loser's) prize money for a W.O. that occurs NOT in the first round ? (i would assume yes)

What if you get a BYE into second round and then give W.O.?
What if you get a BYE into second round and then RET?

is it exactly the same for ranking points? I remember there was some rule change 1 or 2 years ago concerning this issue.
(To generalize the above answer, and assuming your place has not been replaced by a LL)

For the sake of prize money, the ATP defines a RET, W.O., default or "no show" as a "match played". Thus if you proceed via any of those, it is the same as wining normally. Similarly, if you lose via any of those, you get the same prize money as if you had lost a played match. If a match is abandoned for any other reason, you get loser prize money for that round. I repeat, all this is only for the sake of prize money. Of course, ranking points don't always work the same.

I too remember a change in this recently, but I believe that was specific to Grand Slams and only R1; but don't remember the details.
07-28-2016 01:15 PM
Beta2k
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

aaah great stuff. thanks! i think this should clarify nearly all possibilities

one more question comes up: what if a Q has to W.O. in the first round? maybe if he gets injured after FQR but before the first round of the MD. can he be replaced by an LL?
07-28-2016 01:07 PM
fridge46
Re: S.Q.T. (stupid question thread)

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Originally Posted by Beta2k View Post
the following questions come up regularly for me and I always forget the answer:

do you get (loser's) prize money for a RET ? (i would assume yes)
Correct

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do you get (loser's) prize money for a W.O. that occurs in the first round ? (i would assume no)
Correct, because the player would be replaced by an LL , if available.

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do you get (loser's) prize money for a W.O. that occurs NOT in the first round ? (i would assume yes)
Correct

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What if you get a BYE into second round and then give W.O.?
No, because said player would have been replaced by an LL. If there is no LL, then the w/o player receives no prize money.

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What if you get a BYE into second round and then RET?
Second Round Prize Money is awarded. Regulation 3.08.A.4)

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is it exactly the same for ranking points? I remember there was some rule change 1 or 2 years ago concerning this issue.
do you get (loser's) rankings points for a RET ? Yes

do you get (loser's) ranking points for a W.O. that occurs in the first round? No, the player is replaced by an LL. NOTE: unless the w/o player was a Q or LL, in which case they will still receive necessary points gained by qualifying for the MD.

do you get (loser's) ranking points for a W.O. that occurs NOT in the first round ? Yes, but see below for exception.


What if you get a BYE into second round and then give W.O.? No ranking points awarded, player would be replaced by LL

What if you get a BYE into second round and then RET? Round One ranking points are awarded. Regulation 9.03.G.2)
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