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04-12-2016 11:52 AM
scoutreporter
Re: Endless Era Debates

when was the last time a player outside of top 10 or 20 was in a grand slam final?
and, how many grand slam finals did federer win against players outside of top 10? more than 11?
I think if we look at grand slam finalists/semifinalists, and if there is often players outside of top 10-20-30 making it far, it means its a weak era, beacuse Theres no strong players at the top( exept no1), but all equally weak from like top 3 to top 50. And i am talking about years where Sampras and Agassi where veterans and still active and making it deep in slams.
04-12-2016 07:24 AM
G.100sic
Re: Endless Era Debates

Judging by the OP's own post, the thread title "This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying" was wrong in the first place, obviously it should have been "This isn't just a weak era, american tennis is dying". So there, fixed it! And if we understand his OP this way, he has a point, we have to admit.

But all is not lost, as some other posters creative thinking suggest. I personally like "making Serbia the 51st state" the most - this one is so much in a traditional USA spirit. And OP and all the other americans worrying for the future of tennis can always fall back to baseball or wrestling, sports that are guaranteed to never die in Murica, and, almost guaranteed that no nation outside will ever be better at them then USofA.
04-11-2016 09:17 PM
Alex999
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

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Originally Posted by samanosuke View Post
If we don't count 2011 which he couldn't back it up, the fact is that Djokovic became dominant player once when one of his main rival became too old and other became too useless. Peak years of any tennis player are 24-25 which Djokovic confirmed in 2011 when he played by far the best tennis of his career. Tennis isn't sport where at highest level you peak at 27, 28 or 29 if you have younger opposition at same or close to same level. Just this fact illustrates how poor competition is when you look at anomaly at Djokovic's peak
That is not the fact, that is just your tardish opinion ... Djokovic, started beating Fed and Nadal back in 2007, won his first major back in 2008. What was Djokovic to supposed to back up 2001 and why? There are certain amazing things that happen once, otherwise they wouldn't be amazing, would they?

Djokovic has been a huge force on the tour since 2007, almost 10 freaking years. All players are humans too. They go up and down, no matter how good they are at what they are doing. Jesus, is that so hard to understand?

Your 'rule' about the age shit and the peak shit can apply to Fed and many other players too. It depends how you wanna look at it, or how you choose to look at it or who you support If you wish. So, stop bullshitting .
04-11-2016 09:01 PM
MIMIC
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

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Originally Posted by samanosuke View Post
that exactly is the problem of this era. if you find it normal that almost 35 Federer being the toughest Djokovic opponent and 10% Nadal who hasn't beaten anyone decent in ages is top 5 only troll here is you. even Djokovic who this year hasn't been playing neither close to 2011 or last year but still winning everything. tennis can't get lower than it is currently, and anyone who refuse to see it are Djokovic tards who would discredit their hero with it, for anyone else with healthy eyes this is the shittest competition ever
So it's cool for Agassi -- an 8-time slam winner who obviously had a lot of longevity -- to challenge the No. 1 player late in his career at a couple of slams. But it's not cool for Federer -- a 17-time slam winner who obviously had a lot of longevity -- to challenge the No. 1 player more often?

No, it's NOT normal. But you're forgetting that we're not dealing with normal players.
04-11-2016 08:16 PM
samanosuke
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

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Originally Posted by Branimir View Post
Djokovic has to grow with 3 different opponents: Federer, Murray and Nadal. Each one has a competely different game and Djokovic wanted to be better than all 3 of them. He had two choices: To create his own style and win that way or two adapt to styles of the opponents and beat them that way. The second option worked. Bruce Lee once said: "Be water, my friend"

The competition is not there because Djokovic, Nadal and Federer brought the level of tennis to a ridiculous level.
If we don't count 2011 which he couldn't back it up, the fact is that Djokovic became dominant player once when one of his main rival became too old and other became too useless. Peak years of any tennis player are 24-25 which Djokovic confirmed in 2011 when he played by far the best tennis of his career. Tennis isn't sport where at highest level you peak at 27, 28 or 29 if you have younger opposition at same or close to same level. Just this fact illustrates how poor competition is when you look at anomaly at Djokovic's peak
04-11-2016 08:01 PM
Branimir
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

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Originally Posted by samanosuke View Post
that exactly is the problem of this era. if you find it normal that almost 35 Federer being the toughest Djokovic opponent and 10% Nadal who hasn't beaten anyone decent in ages is top 5 only troll here is you. even Djokovic who this year hasn't been playing neither close to 2011 or last year but still winning everything. tennis can't get lower than it is currently, and anyone who refuse to see it are Djokovic tards who would discredit their hero with it, for anyone else with healthy eyes this is the shittest competition ever
Djokovic has to grow with 3 different opponents: Federer, Murray and Nadal. Each one has a competely different game and Djokovic wanted to be better than all 3 of them. He had two choices: To create his own style and win that way or two adapt to styles of the opponents and beat them that way. The second option worked. Bruce Lee once said: "Be water, my friend"

The competition is not there because Djokovic, Nadal and Federer brought the level of tennis to a ridiculous level.
04-11-2016 07:36 PM
Chris Kuerten
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

No school of tennis is uglier than the American one, a result of growing up on hardcourt instead of clay.
04-11-2016 07:23 PM
samanosuke
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

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Originally Posted by Ivo Isner View Post
Murray is Djokovic's toughest opponent.
and grass is pink
04-11-2016 07:19 PM
Lorenzo
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

Tennis will never die. The ones who aren't interested in watching anymore can stop doing so anytime. They won't be missed.
04-11-2016 07:12 PM
clearwaters
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

I have to bring up homogenization of the courts because this is why tennis is dying.
Since the courts have been so changed, players with more experience, more stamina are hugely favoured. The field is deepened (yet not stronger). It's becoming harder for young guys to make the breakthrough. We never get to see 17, 20 of age getting slams or beating the old guys. In a way Fed is benefiting from this (why he can stay at top 3 well into 30s) so I'm not in the right position to complain.
Novak Djokovic is the biggest winner. He can win slams by having incredible defense, waiting for opponents' errors. Skilful players with variety are not as rewarded as baseline grinders.
The whole picture simply does not appeal to teenagers who aspire to be a pro. Plus the style of tennis, is the reason why we never get matches like Wimbledon 2008 Final again and thus why tennis has become boring.
04-11-2016 07:07 PM
Ja znam sebe...
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

What shall we do? Rejuvenate Roger and Rafa, make Serbia 51st US state !
04-11-2016 07:01 PM
Ivo Isner
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

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Originally Posted by samanosuke View Post
that exactly is the problem of this era. if you find it normal that almost 35 Federer being the toughest Djokovic opponent and 10% Nadal who hasn't beaten anyone decent in ages is top 5 only troll here is you. even Djokovic who this year hasn't been playing neither close to 2011 or last year but still winning everything. tennis can't get lower than it is currently, and anyone who refuse to see it are Djokovic tards who would discredit their hero with it, for anyone else with healthy eyes this is the shittest competition ever
Murray is Djokovic's toughest opponent.
04-11-2016 06:57 PM
samanosuke
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry Z. View Post
In the current top five in men's tennis there are probably the three of the five best tennis players ever (the other two being Sampras and Laver), Federer (with 17 grand slams), Nadal (with 14 grand slams) and Djokovic (with 11 grand slams). Your statement is utterly ridiculous. All the evidence points to this being the greatest era ever in men's tennis, not the weakest.

Then there is the women's game, which is dominated by Serena Williams, probably the greatest player ever, and at least on the same par as Steffi Graf, Margaret Court, and Martina Navratilova.

Try being something else than a troll.
that exactly is the problem of this era. if you find it normal that almost 35 Federer being the toughest Djokovic opponent and 10% Nadal who hasn't beaten anyone decent in ages is top 5 only troll here is you. even Djokovic who this year hasn't been playing neither close to 2011 or last year but still winning everything. tennis can't get lower than it is currently, and anyone who refuse to see it are Djokovic tards who would discredit their hero with it, for anyone else with healthy eyes this is the shittest competition ever
04-11-2016 06:51 PM
MariaV
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

LOL a high school dropout. Boohoo.
04-11-2016 06:48 PM
Logos
Re: This isn't just a weak era, tennis is dying

Unlike (tennis) and GTFO!

@Huckleberry Z. explained it well. Americans have a female superstar and historical great. This alone is enough to guarantee a high level of popularity for male tennis as well. But even despite that, you have some great European players who are likable and popular in the USA regardless of their country of birth.
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