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JG's Top 20 Players Ever

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#1 · (Edited)
Ok, now that Rafa has won 16 slams, and my good friend @Slasher1985 is getting some heat for his very well done and researched thread that I hope he continues. He is a real tennis fan and great asset to the board. I especially love his work sub top 100 top like 500 or more, that is just excellent work, beyond excellent work.

Now, that being said. I wanted to bring back my thread. While I love Slasher's thread, I myself as a tennis fan feel that certain other statistics should be valued differently than he does. Our lists will be for the most part the same, with only minor shuffles here and there. However, my presentation will differ.

Most important stats: Slams (Amateur and pro), Time spent at World #1 (YE as well as weeks, and in some cases estimated weeks where several players shared #1 for the year, each received a certain number less than the whole), Other big titles like YEC and Olympics and Davis Cup, then we have streaks by surface, by slam, longevity records, title records by surface and overall, total career W-L record, and anything else you want to add. Perhaps Head 2 Head if everything else is so close. In every player I will post both their career highs as well as blemishes.

Slams

1. Ken Rosewall- 23 slams
2. Rod Laver- 19 slams
3. Roger Federer- 19 slams
4. Rafael Nadal- 16 slams
5. Bill Tilden- 15 slams
6. Pancho Gonzales- 14 slams
7. Pete Sampras- 14 slams
8. Novak Djokovic- 12 slams
9. Roy Emerson- 12 slams
10. Bjorn Borg- 11 slams
11. Henri Cochet- 11 slams
12. Don Budge- 10 slams
13. Fred Perry- 10 slams
14. Frank Sedgman- 8 slams
15. Andre Agassi- 8 slams
16. Jimmy Connors- 8 slams
17. John McEnroe- 7 slams
18. Ellsworth Vines- 7 slams
19. Rene Lacoste- 7 slams
20. Tony Trabert- 7 slams
21. John Newcombe- 7 slams
22. Mats Wilander- 7 slams

Time Spent as World #1

1. Pancho Gonzales- 364 weeks, 7 YE #1
2. Bill Tilden- 330 weeks, 6 YE #1
3. Don Budge- 313 weeks, 5 YE #1
4. Roger Federer- 302 weeks, 5 YE #1
5. Pete Sampras- 286 Weeks, 6 YE #1
6. Rod Laver- 277 weeks, 5 YE #1
7. Ivan Lendl- 270 weeks, 4 YE #1
8. Ken Rosewall- 242 weeks, 4 YE #1
9. Jack Kramer- 234 weeks, 4 YE #1
10. Novak Djokovic- 223 weeks, 4 YE #1
11. Jimmy Conndors- 216 weeks, 3 YE #1
12. John McEnroe- 170 weeks, 4 YE #1
13. Henri Cochet- 166 weeks, 3 YE #1
14. Bjorn Borg- 161 weeks, 3 YE #1
15. Ellsworth Vines- 157, 3 YE #1
16. Bobby Riggs- 150 weeks, 3 YE #1
17. Rafael Nadal- 144 weeks, 3 YE #1
18. Fred Perry- 120 weeks, 3 YE #1
19. Rene Lacoste- 104 weeks, 2 YE #1
20. Andre Agassi 101 weeks, 1 YE #1

So there you have the top 20 of all time in terms of slams and #1

@MWW, or another mod, any way to move my thread back into GM?
 
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#910 ·
Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 players ever (Murray one slam away from making l

good

Budge :rocker2:

no drawbacks at all.
 
#911 ·
Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 players ever (Murray one slam away from making l

New list:

1. Fed
2. Laver
3. Budge
4. Tilden
5. Kramer
6. Gonzales
7. Rosewall
8. Sampras

I think these 8 are pretty much the top 8. Then 9-16:

9. Borg
10. Nadal
11. Lendl
12. Vines
13. Perry
14. Connors
15. Agassi
16. Johnny Mac

I'm also thinking of moving Riggs ahead of Perry. Ahhh, I could alter this list all day and night, but I think I've got the best 55 ever, the order is up to subjection.
 
#913 ·
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Kramer didn't like being moved up, his picture link is not working anymore. Gonzales didn't like being moved down, his picture is also gone...
Fixed :D
 
#914 ·
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Don't be a mug Groove. I respected you and this thread. You can't move him bcs of 2 seasons and bcs WWII messed with his career and bcs of some book. Why is he better than Sampras who has 14 Slams and he has 5?? Maybe if he played in those year, he would get injured and not win and GS. You can't know that. This list suppose to be a sorted by achievements, not your likings of some books.
 
#916 ·
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Don't be a mug Groove. I respected you and this thread. You can't move him bcs of 2 seasons and bcs WWII messed with his career and bcs of some book. Why is he better than Sampras who has 14 Slams and he has 5?? Maybe if he played in those year, he would get injured and not win and GS. You can't know that. This list suppose to be a sorted by achievements, not your likings of some books.
you talking about Jack I assume.
 
#915 ·
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Fortunately, we have the Open Era now, and records are easier to track. In my following list, be advised that some players like Rosewall, Laver, and Newcombe, whose careers spanned Open and Pre-Open Era, their numbers are only from Spring 1968, only Open Era.

Open Era, strictly slam numbers, I know there are other stats, but just to make it easy:

1. Federer- 17 slams
2. Sampras- 14 slams
3. Borg- 11 slams
4. Nadal- 11 slams
5. Lendl- 8 slams
6. Connors- 8 slams
7. Agassi- 8 slams
8. McEnroe- 7 slams
9. Wilander- 7 slams
10. Becker- 6 slams
11. Edberg- 6 slams
12. Laver- 5 slams including CYGS
13. Djokovic- 5 slams
14. Newcombe- 5 slams
15. Rosewall- 4 slams
16. Vilas- 4 slams
17. Courier- 4 slams
18. Ashe- 3 slams
19. Guga- 3 slams
20. Kodes- 3 slams
21. Nastase- 2 slams
22. Hewitt- 2 slams
23. Smith- 2 slams
24. Kafelnikov- 2 slams
25. Rafter- 2 slams
26. Safin- 2 slams
 
#918 ·
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6 straight.

4 Pros.

out of 28 slams, he didn't make the semis on 4 occasions.
 
#924 ·
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6 straight.

4 Pros.

out of 28 slams, he didn't make the semis on 4 occasions.
Budge was a beast.

They have them bcs they respect are overestemate players they played against. You bet that when they are all retired Nadal will say Djokovic was in top10 players ever, Novak will say Rafa is in top3, they will even put Murray in top20. I'm not saying Kramer or Budge were bad, just look at it this way: Fed is the GOAT. Rafa owns Fed. And if tomorrow Fed and Novak say 'Rafa is the best player who ever lived' would you put Rafa as no1??
And budges 10 Slams and CYGS < Sampras' 14 Slams IMO, but that's IMO. 14 Slams > 5 Slams is not IMO, that's a fact
Oh, you mean Kramer? Yes he did only win 5 slams, but in those days, it was more lucrative on the pro tour to play barnstorming sessions. From 46-52, he owned everyone. Riggs, what was left of Budge, Segura, Gonzales, and Sedgman.

As for Budge over Sampras, this is also subjective, but I'm giving it to Budge.

I am quite sure uxyzapenje was wondering more about Kramer's ascent than Budge's. I too have Kramer lower down. More like where he was on your list yesterday. So - can you convice us as to why he deserves better?
Kramer set the standard for tennis post WW2 :shrug: His long tours where he was clearly superior to all challengers is proof enough, in my opinion.

I am not expert on tennis history but having someone as random as Kramer in the top 8 is incorrect. His previous ranking of 21 is more accurate IMHO. Obviously, this is still Groove's thread, so he can have Young as #1 :shrug:
Kramer is random? A player who was #1 in the World for 4 years is random? The guy who was basically the father of modern pro tennis is random? The guy has a tennis racket named after him for fuck's sake and you call him random? :lol:
 
#928 ·
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Ok Grovee, I get that you put Budge over Sampras. But Kramer over Sampras (and other like Borg or Nadal)? 5 Slams is 5 Slams. It's (almost) 3 times less than Sampras...
Come on, now, slams is not everything. Kramer was #1 for 4 years, the same as Borg and Nadal combined.

I've put Sampras back over Kramer.
 
#929 ·
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Come on, now, slams is not everything. Kramer was #1 for 4 years, the same as Borg and Nadal combined.

I've put Sampras back over Kramer.
Ranking those days (and until well into the open era) were shit. I mean look at Vilas who dominated the '77 season, had the longest winning streak in history of the sport, won 2 Slams and still wan't the no1 (by todays ranking system he would be)
 
#922 ·
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I am not expert on tennis history but having someone as random as Kramer in the top 8 is incorrect. His previous ranking of 21 is more accurate IMHO. Obviously, this is still Groove's thread, so he can have Young as #1 :shrug:
 
#925 ·
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If 14 Slams is not > 5 Slams, then fuck it, I have Djokovic as no3 on my list...
It's not ALL about slams, mate. If it was, then Rosewall would be #1 all time, with his 23 slams, but he never won Wimbledon.

And Djoko at 3, now you trollin'.
 
#930 ·
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Good point

I remember reading that in 1988 the winner of the Italian Open only received 3 more ranking points 203-200 compared to the finalist.

Anyone remember Kafelnikov getting to no.1 after a 7 loss streak :lol:
 
#937 ·
Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 players ever (Murray one slam away from making l

Good point

I remember reading that in 1988 the winner of the Italian Open only received 3 more ranking points 203-200 compared to the finalist.

Anyone remember Kafelnikov getting to no.1 after a 7 loss streak :lol:
1977 and Vilas is one thing, I completely agree there, but there was nothing wrong with the ranking in 1999. Nobody deserved #1 more than Kafelnikov at that particular moment. His closest rival at the time, Sampras, played poorly throughout the same period, until he won Queens and relegated Kafelnikov. Then he himself was relegated by Agassi after Wimbledon.
 
#931 ·
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The best would be a 32 man all time GOAT tournament.

1st round:

(1) Roger Federer vs. (32) Guillermo Vilas
(16) John McEnroe vs. (17) Henri Cochet
(8) Jack Kramer vs. (25) Mats Wilander
(9) Bjorn Borg vs. (24) Stefan Edberg

(4) Bill Tilden vs. (29) John Newcombe
(13) Fred Perry vs. (20) Laurence Doherty
(5) Pancho Gonzales vs. (28) Reggie Doherty
(12) Ellsworth Vines vs. (21) William Larned

(3) Don Budge vs. (30) Rene Lacoste
(14) Jimmy Connors vs. (19) William Renshaw
(6) Ken Rosewall vs. (27) Lew Hoad
(11) Ivan Lendl vs. (22) Tony Wilding

(7) Pete Sampras vs. (26) Novak Djokovic
(10) Rafael Nadal vs. (23) Boris Becker
(15) Andre Agassi vs. (18) Bobby Riggs
(2) Rod Laver vs. (31) Ilie Nastase

I dunno about you, but I'd buy tickets.
 
#934 ·
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The best would be a 32 man all time GOAT tournament.

1st round:

(1) Roger Federer vs. (32) Guillermo Vilas
(16) John McEnroe vs. (17) Henri Cochet
(8) Jack Kramer vs. (25) Mats Wilander
(9) Bjorn Borg vs. (24) Stefan Edberg

(4) Bill Tilden vs. (29) John Newcombe
(13) Fred Perry vs. (20) Laurence Doherty
(5) Pancho Gonzales vs. (28) Reggie Doherty
(12) Ellsworth Vines vs. (21) William Larned

(3) Don Budge vs. (30) Rene Lacoste
(14) Jimmy Connors vs. (19) William Renshaw
(6) Ken Rosewall vs. (27) Lew Hoad
(11) Ivan Lendl vs. (22) Tony Wilding

(7) Pete Sampras vs. (26) Novak Djokovic
(10) Rafael Nadal vs. (23) Boris Becker
(15) Andre Agassi vs. (18) Bobby Riggs
(2) Rod Laver vs. (31) Ilie Nastase

I dunno about you, but I'd buy tickets.

Woohoo!! great imaginative idea!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Johnny Groove again
 
#938 ·
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To see Nasty Ilie upset Laver a RG would be pretty epic :cool:
 
#939 ·
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Carpet would have been epic

Sampras v Becker was always great. Those two would destroy Nadal and Djokovic in 1R :lol:
Borg v Edberg would have been epic, McEnroe would take Federer IMO, another classic.
Lendl was Great on carpet, v Budge would have been fun :cool:
 
#942 ·
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Carpet would have been epic

Sampras v Becker was always great. Those two would destroy Nadal and Djokovic in 1R :lol:
Borg v Edberg would have been epic, McEnroe would take Federer IMO, another classic.
Lendl was Great on carpet, v Budge would have been fun :cool:
Would be great stuff :D

Very unlucky draw for some. Federer out in RG R1? Ouch! In W, you have Sampras beating Djokovic, Becker and Laver just to get to the SF, while Fed will have to dispose of McEnroe and Borg to reach the same stage. Tough!
No mug draws here!
 
#941 ·
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Wimbledon, assuming legit grass:

Fed def. Vilas in 3
McEnroe def. Cochet in 4
Kramer def. Wilander in 4
Edberg def. Borg in 5 epic sets, tough draw for both, could go either way

Tilden def. Newcombe in 5, another tough draw, could go either way
L. Doherty def. Perry in 5, same as above
Gonzales def. R. Doherty in 5
Vines def. Larned in 5

Budge def. Lacoste in 4
Renshaw def. Connors in 5, could go either way
Hoad def. Rosewall in 5
Wilding def. Lendl in 5

Sampras def. Djokovic in 4
Becker def. Nadal in 4, another rough draw for both
Riggs def. Agassi in 4
Laver def. Nastase in 3 entertaining sets

Wimbledon R16:

Fed def. McEnroe in 5, epic
Edberg def. Kramer in 5 more epic sets, 50-50 match
L. Doherty def. Tilden in 5
Gonzales def. Vines in 5

Budge def. Renshaw in 5 epic
Hoad def. Wilding in 5
Sampras def. Becker in 5
Laver def. Riggs in 5

Damn, at Wimbledon especially, all these matches could go either way.

QF:

Fed def. Edberg in 5
Gonzales def. L. Doherty in 5
Hoad def. Budge in 5
Sampras def. Laver in 5, Sampras-Laver QF? Damn what a tough draw.

SF:

Fed def. Gonzales in 5
Sampras def. Hoad in 5

F:

Sampras def. Fed in 5 epic sets, all time match

USO:

Fed def. Vilas in 3
McEnroe def. Cochet in 5
Kramer def. Wilander in 5
Edberg def. Borg in 5

Tilden def. Newcombe in 5
Perry def. L. Doherty in 5
Gonzales def. R. Doherty in 4
Vines def. Larned in 5 epic

Budge def. Lacoste in 4
Connors def. Renshaw in 4
Hoad def. Rosewall in 5
Lendl def. Wilding in 4

Sampras def. Djokovic in 5
Becker def. Nadal in 5
Agassi def. Riggs in 5
Laver def. Nastase in 4

R16:

McEnroe def. Federer in 5 under the NYC lights
Kramer def. Edberg in 5
Tilden def. Perry in 5
Gonzales def. Vines in 5

Budge def. Connors in 5
Lendl def. Hoad in 5
Sampras def. Becker in 5
Agassi upsets Laver in 5

QF:

Kramer def. McEnroe in 5
Gonzales def. Tilden in 5
Budge def. Lendl in 5
Sampras def. Agassi in 5

SF:

Gonzales def. Kramer in 5
Budge def. Sampras in 5

F:

Budge def. Gonzales in 5 epic.

Random fast indoor court:

Fed def. Vilas in 3
McEnroe def. Cochet in 4
Kramer def. Wilander in 3
Edberg def. Borg in 5

Tilden def. Newcombe in 5
Perry def. L. Doherty in 5
Gonzales def. R. Doherty in 4
Vines def. Larned in 5

Budge def. Lacoste in 4
Connors def. Renshaw in 5
Hoad def. Rosewall in 5
Lendl def. Wilding in 5

Sampras def. Djokovic in 5
Becker def. Nadal in 5
Agassi def. Riggs in 5
Laver def. Nastase in 4

R16:

Fed def. McEnroe in 5
Kramer def. Edberg in 5
Tilden def. Perry in 5
Gonzales def. Vines in 5

Connors def. Budge in 5 for revenge
Lendl def. Hoad in 5
Sampras def. Becker in 5
Laver def. Agassi in 5

QF:

Fed def. Kramer in 5
Gonzales def. Tilden in 5
Lendl def. Connors in 5
Sampras def. Laver in 5

SF:

Gonzales def. Fed in 5
Sampras def. Lendl in 5

F:

Gonzales def. Sampras in 5 epic.

These would be awesome tournaments. Maybe switch around the seeds and draws a bit, almost all matches go 5 sets, would be great :cool:
 
#947 ·
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Funny thing but true, parachute Hewitt in Ilie's place and he could make damage

Serve volley mugs would bs butchered :p
 
#948 ·
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I'm not sure about Djokovic and Nadal taking Indoor giants Pete and Boris into 5 sets though

And yeah, maybe this Indoor tournament would have been best of all.. Pro players played almost whole career Indoors (night by night) and put them with greatest Indoor Open era players for some real tennis. No tie breaks or shits, go and make break to win set
 
#949 ·
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I'm not sure about Djokovic and Nadal taking Indoor giants Pete and Boris into 5 sets though

And yeah, maybe this Indoor tournament would have been best of all.. Pro players played almost whole career Indoors (night by night) and put them with greatest Indoor Open era players for some real tennis. No tie breaks or shits, go and make break to win set
Giving Nole and Rafa the benefit of the doubt, no way they'd win, though.

We should have Isner-Mahut as an exhibition indoors, 167-165 5th set :crazy:
 
#951 ·
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How about an Open Era 32 man event over 5 surfaces? Remember this would be past peak Laver and Rosewall, and some of the guys 25-32 may be switched in and out, Stich, Krajicek, Chang, maybe switched in and out, but here is my 32 man Open Era GOAT 5 tournament series:

(1) Roger Federer vs. (32) Juan Martin Del Potro
(16) Guillermo Vilas vs. (17) Jim Courier
(8) John McEnroe vs. (25) Patrick Rafter
(9) Mats Wilander vs. (24) Yevgeny Kafelnikov

(4) Rafael Nadal vs. (29) Thomas Muster
(13) Novak Djokovic vs. (20) Jan Kodes
(5) Ivan Lendl vs. (28) Andy Roddick
(12) Rod Laver vs. (21) Ilie Nastase

(3) Bjorn Borg vs. (30) Carlos Moya
(14) John Newcombe vs. (19) Gustavo Kuerten
(6) Jimmy Connors vs. (27) Sergei Bruguera
(11) Stefan Edberg vs. (22) Lleyton Hewitt

(7) Andre Agassi vs. (26) Marat Safin
(10) Boris Becker vs. (23) Stan Smith
(15) Ken Rosewall vs. (18) Arthur Ashe
(2) Pete Sampras vs. (31) Andy Murray

AO:

Fed def. Delpo in 4
Courier def. Vilas in 4
Rafter def. Mac in 5
Kafelnikov def. Wilander in 5

Nadal def. Muster in 4
Djokovic def. Kodes in 4
Lendl def. Roddick in 5
Laver def. Nastase in 5

Borg def. Moya in 5
Newcombe def. Guga in 5
Connors def. Bruguera in 3
Hewitt def. Edberg in 5

Safin def. Agassi in 5
Becker def. Smith in 4
Rosewall def. Ashe in 5
Sampras def. Murray in 5

AO R16:

Fed def. Courier in 4
Rafter def. Kafelnikov in 5
Djokovic def. Nadal in 5
Lendl def. Laver in 5

Newcombe def. Borg in 5
Hewitt def. Connors in 5
Safin def. Becker in 5
Sampras def. Rosewall in 4

AO QF:

Fed def. Rafter in 5
Djokovic def. Lendl in 5
Newcombe def. Hewitt in 5
Safin def. Sampras in 5

AO SF:

Djokovic def. Federer in 5
Safin def. Newcombe in 5

AO F:

Djokovic def. Safin in 5

RG:

Fed def. Delpo in 5
Vilas def. Courier in 4
McEnroe def. Rafter in 5
Wilander def. Kafelnikov in 5

Nadal def. Muster in 4
Djokovic def. Kodes in 5
Lendl def. Roddick in 3
Nastase def. Laver in 5

Borg def. Moya in 4
Guga def. Newcombe in 4
Bruguera def. Connors in 5
Hewitt def. Edberg in 5

Agassi def. Safin in 5
Smith def. Becker in 4
Rosewall def. Ahse in 4
Murray def. Sampras in 5 :eek:

RG R16:

Vilas def. Fed in 5
Wilander def. Mac in 4
Nadal def. Djokovic in 4
Lendl def. Nastase in 5

Borg def. Guga in 5, now this is a clay court match
Bruguera def. Hewitt in 5
Agassi def. Smith in 5
Rosewall def. Murray in 4

RG QF:

Wilander def. Vilas in 5
Nadal def. Lendl in 5!
Borg def. Bruguera in 5!
Rosewall def. Agassi in 4

RG SF:

Nadal def. Wilander in 4
Borg def. Rosewall in 5

RG F:

Nadal def. Borg in 5

Wimbledon:

Fed def. Delpo in 3
Courier def. Vilas in 5
McEnroe def. Rafter in 5
Wilander def. Kafelnikov in 5

Nadal def. Muster in 3
Djokovic def. Kodes in 4
Roddick def. Lendl in 5
Laver def. Nastase in 5

Borg def. Moya in 3
Newcombe def. Guga in 4
Connors def. Bruguera in 3
Edberg def. Hewitt in 5, tough draw

Agassi def. Safin in 5
Becker def. Smith in 5
Ashe def. Rosewall in 5
Sampras def. Murray in 4

Wimbledon R16:

Fed def. Courier in 4
McEnroe def. Wilander in 4
Nadal def. Djokovic in 5
Laver def. Roddick in 5, this match and the one above could go either

Borg def. Newcombe in 5
Edberg def. Connors in 5
Becker def. Agassi in 4
Sampras def. Ashe in 4

QF:

Fed def. McEnroe in 5
Laver def. Nadal in 5
Edberg def. Borg in 5, this one is even
Sampras def. Becker in 5, awesomeness

SF:

Fed def. Laver in 5, epic match
Sampras def. Edberg in 5

F:

Federer def. Sampras in 5, epic

USO:

Delpo def. Fed in 5, awesome upset, for the lulz
Courier def. Vilas in 5
McEnroe def. Rafter in 5
Wilander def. Kafelnikov in 5

Nadal def. Muster in 4
Djokovic def. Kodes in 4
Roddick def. Lendl in 5, this is a tough 1st rounder
Laver def. Nastase in 5

Borg def. Moya in 5
Newcombe def. Guga in 5
Connors def. Bruguera in 3
Edberg def. Hewitt in 5, could go either way

Agassi def. Safin in 5, this matchup is awesome
Becker def. Smith in 4
Ashe def. Rosewall in 4
Sampras def. Murray in 4

R16:

Delpo def. Courier in 4
McEnroe def. Wilander in 5
Djokovic def. Nadal in 5
Roddick def. Laver in 5, blasphemous as it sounds

Newcombe def. Borg in 5
Connors def. Edberg in 5
Agassi def. Becker in 5
Sampras def. Ashe in 4

QF:

Delpo def. McEnroe in 5
Roddick def. Djokovic in 5
Connors def. Newcombe in 5
Sampras def. Agassi in 5

SF:

Roddick def. Delpo in 5
Sampras def. Connors in 5

F:

Sampras def. Roddick in 5

Indoors:

Fed def. Delpo in 5
Courier def. Vilas in 4
McEnroe def. Rafter in 5
Kafelnikov def. Wilander in 5

Nadal def. Muster in 4
Djokovic def. Kodes in 3
Lendl def. Roddick in 5
Laver def. Nastase in 4

Borg def. Moya in 4
Newcombe def. Guga in 4
Connors def. Bruguera in 3
Edberg def. Hewitt in 5

Safin def. Agassi in 5
Becker def. Smith in 5
Ashe def. Rosewall in 5
Sampras def. Murray in 4

R16:

Fed def. Courier in 4
McEnroe def. Kafelnikov in 5
Djokovic def. Nadal in 5
Lendl def. Laver in 5

Borg def. Newcombe in 5
Connors def. Edberg in 5
Becker def. Safin in 5, now this is an indoor match
Sampras def. Ashe in 4

QF:

Fed def. McEnroe in 5
Lendl def. Djokovic in 5
Connors def. Borg in 5
Becker def. Sampras in 5, awesomeness

SF:

Lendl def. Fed in 5 indoors
Becker def. Connors in 5

F:

Becker def. Lendl in 5, could go either way.

The Open Era indoor event would be insane!
 
#953 ·
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Sampras v Murray :sobbing: on Clay :sobbing: what a poor match :p
 
#957 ·
Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 players ever (Murray one slam away from making l

Sampras v Murray :sobbing: on Clay :sobbing: what a poor match :p
The rest of the players would ask for them to get banned from future GOAT tournaments just bcs of that match of the poorest quality (for their stanrds). Nadal and Borg would just feel emberresed for Mumpras not being able to watch such a match... It would be a last WC for Mandy
 
#956 ·
Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 players ever (Murray one slam away from making l

Murray would be a matchup in hell for Sampras, dont think Sampras would beat him in AO, maybe not even in Usopen.
 
#959 ·
Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 players ever (Murray one slam away from making l

Murray would be a matchup in hell for Sampras, dont think Sampras would beat him in AO, maybe not even in Usopen.
Agreed. Hewitt would like wise be utter hell for post peak Laver and Rosewall IMO.

Budge is Gunna rip up his quarter.
 
#958 ·
Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 players ever (Murray one slam away from making l

what started out as a good all time rank thread has transformed into some bizarre fantasy game.... :0
 
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#965 ·
Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 players ever (Murray one slam away from making l

Sampras won Rome on slow clay. Come back to me when Mandy wins a clay masters title. The guy is one of the biggest clay clowns I have ever seen, given his movement. He plays on clay like it's hard court. Simply awful.
 
#973 ·
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Sampras won Rome on slow clay. Come back to me when Mandy wins a clay masters title. The guy is one of the biggest clay clowns I have ever seen, given his movement. He plays on clay like it's hard court. Simply awful.
Did you even watch that tournament? It was playing ultrafast, just because some nostalgitards repeat over and over again that clay was slower back then doesnt mean it was always the case. What next, you are going to say RG 96 and 99 was slow?

Give me a break, the final between Becker and Sampras didnt resemble claycourt tennis in any way.
 
#966 ·
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Sorry, but you're only going on achievements. You should go on technical ability and off court antics. Bill Tilden shouldn't even be talked about after his 'antics' and shouldn't be on that list.
 
#967 ·
Re: Professor Johnny Groove's Top 55 players ever (Murray one slam away from making l

Sorry, but you're only going on achievements. You should go on technical ability and off court antics. Bill Tilden shouldn't even be talked about after his 'antics' and shouldn't be on that list.
Technical ability?

Rios, Nalbandian and Safin would all be elevated quite far if we counted that. But we don't.
 
#979 ·
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Sapeod is really finding some form recently. I sense he's peaking for the AO. God help us if Murray were to actually do the incredible and win his 2nd slam in succession.
 
#980 ·
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Sapeod is really finding some form recently. I sense he's peaking for the AO. God help us if Murray were to actually do the incredible and win his 2nd slam in succession.
:haha:
 
#981 ·
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It would put CYGS fever at an all time high. Even higher than in 08 and 12 from the Djoker brigade.
 
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