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Today 06:11 AM
JW Parker
Re: Endless Era Debates

Can anyone tell me why the federer forehand had more power with the old racquet than the new one ? I've looked everywhere but haven't found a satisfying answer
Today 03:46 AM
TooBadFed
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
Tennis is simplier in a way we're trying to make it because the matches often come down to mental aspects, so these peak to peak discussions with the likes of Orka poisoning forum with their biased nonsense is absolutely meaningless if you understand that the player who handles himself better on a particular day wins the match considering Federer,Nadal and Djokovic are players of relatively similar level.
i think Djokovic's consistency at this point puts him definitely a level above everyone else, so regardless of any mental aspects he's just gonna be the true favorite in any match between these guys
Today 12:43 AM
Tutsi Frutsi
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by TooBadFed View Post
just an example of a match in Federer's prime which contracts every point the other guy made. aggressive off both wings, variety, not a defensive game at all.

djokovic in his prime is in a grindfest with simon making 100 ue's.

its as tennisfan3 often says, the game today is just more physical. its not necessarily djokovic's fault that tennis has regressed into such a physical grindfest. the slowed courts, combined with the heavy and high bouncing balls, all play part of the role. federer has adapted and become more defensive as a result as well.
No need to mention tennisfan3 who's some angry dude like Slade's Nolefam version in terms of being unable to think rationally.

Tennis is simplier in a way we're trying to make it because the matches often come down to mental aspects, so these peak to peak discussions with the likes of Orka poisoning forum with their biased nonsense is absolutely meaningless if you understand that the player who handles himself better on a particular day wins the match considering Federer,Nadal and Djokovic are players of relatively similar level.
Today 12:00 AM
TooBadFed
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
Providing the match vs Blake as a proof of anything
just an example of a match in Federer's prime which contracts every point the other guy made. aggressive off both wings, variety, not a defensive game at all.

djokovic in his prime is in a grindfest with simon making 100 ue's.

its as tennisfan3 often says, the game today is just more physical. its not necessarily djokovic's fault that tennis has regressed into such a physical grindfest. the slowed courts, combined with the heavy and high bouncing balls, all play part of the role. federer has adapted and become more defensive as a result as well.
Yesterday 06:57 PM
Tutsi Frutsi
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Yes he has definitely turned into more of a grinder along with improving his serve. An unbiased observer would find it hard to argue. But most Fed fanboys refuse CURRENT reality.
Props for admitting the truth presented in opening post.

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Providing the match vs Blake as a proof of anything
Yesterday 06:54 PM
Tutsi Frutsi
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Orka_n View Post
Deary me. The pure desperation of the Noletards, who know in their hearts that Novak is ruling the weakest era in history with a declined old man as his biggest rival... this intellectual dishonesty and blatant dismissal of obvious facts might be the most tragic thing I've seen on MTF since I joined here. And I was here when CD, SdG and Feds_Mate were peaking!
If you started talking about intellectual honesty then why are you being so dishonest pretending like prime Djokovic wouldn't have done as much as Federer in 2004-2007? In fact Novak wouldn't have lost to Kuerten at RG, Safin at AO and taking into account Djoko's competetive matches vs prime 2012-2013 Nadal there's no guarantee teen 2005-2007 Nadal would have beaten prime Djokovic which means easily 2 CYGS in the worst case scenario for Nole in 2004-2007.
Yesterday 06:52 PM
Tutsi Frutsi
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Orka_n View Post
Deary me. The pure desperation of the Noletards, who know in their hearts that Novak is ruling the weakest era in history with a declined old man as his biggest rival... this intellectual dishonesty and blatant dismissal of obvious facts might be the most tragic thing I've seen on MTF since I joined here. And I was here when CD, SdG and Feds_Mate were peaking!
Ok genius, how it happened that Fed's power has declined , but not the movement?
Yesterday 06:50 PM
Mr.Black
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

There must be data on rally FH speeds, I remember reading somewhere, Federer's in 2009/10 being at average 75 mph, slower than Nadal's and Djokovic's at the time. Wonder what his average FH rally speed was in 2015.
Yesterday 04:30 PM
TooBadFed
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
The point of the thread is that Fed fans exposed themselves with their own logic. They say Fed's power has declined, so it's obvious from the videos I provided(there're hundreds of videos like that) Roger became a grinder to stay competetive, but they have the nerve to call Djokovic out for his athletic game.
Federer's forehand has been gone since he changed rackets from 90 sq inch to 98 sq inch in 2013 or whatever it was. It was painfully obvious.

Yes he has definitely turned into more of a grinder along with improving his serve. An unbiased observer would find it hard to argue. But most Fed fanboys refuse CURRENT reality.

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Originally Posted by Three Days Grace View Post
Federer is actually a defensive player with a good serve. Two myths about his game: attack-oriented (only servebotting plus forehand winners after opponent's bad/short returns) and variety (his backhand is so weak that he often has to slice, so it looks like he tries to change the rhythm).
His movement has declined so much with age that yes, NOW those things you say are true.

But if you think those are myths, just watch this video that was posted today in the other thread

Problem is a lot of fans end up living in the past from 10 years ago. Federer WAS an attacking player wtih variety off both wings. Today? Hardly

Yesterday 04:28 PM
BodyServe
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

This is a myth, a players shot can't decline, at least not substantially so. Movement, reaction time and speed can though.
Yesterday 04:27 PM
Claybot
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Three Days Grace View Post
Federer is actually a defensive player with a good serve.
Yesterday 04:23 PM
DinnerWarrior
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

And that stunt took so much out of him that he never won a single point after that. He can still produce an occasional trick, but it is invariably followed with a string of errors. Not that he didn't make errors in his prime/peak, but the ratio of tricks to errors has declined significantly, that's the difference.
I don't think prime Federer would net three consecutive second serve returns. Indeed, had that ever happened before?
Yesterday 04:17 PM
Orka_n
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

Deary me. The pure desperation of the Noletards, who know in their hearts that Novak is ruling the weakest era in history with a declined old man as his biggest rival... this intellectual dishonesty and blatant dismissal of obvious facts might be the most tragic thing I've seen on MTF since I joined here. And I was here when CD, SdG and Feds_Mate were peaking!
Yesterday 01:36 PM
Three Days Grace
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

Federer is actually a defensive player with a good serve. Two myths about his game: attack-oriented (only servebotting plus forehand winners after opponent's bad/short returns) and variety (his backhand is so weak that he often has to slice, so it looks like he tries to change the rhythm).
Yesterday 12:46 PM
Devon
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

federer is lack of power.
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