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Today 12:02 AM
Orka_n
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
Let's use some logic. If Djokovic wins RG-16 and gets NCYGS it means he would have won at least 1 CYGS in 04-07. Simple and rational.
"Simple and rational", yeah. More pseudo logic right out of kindergarden, give it a rest mate. It was a whole other era, with different opponents and different matchups. If you can't even understand that then what are you doing on this forum.

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What's your purpose here? You're clealy biased towards Federer, but at the same time call others trolls for trying to figure out deeper layers of tennis rivalries and you pretend to be the objective poster. Are you just another of those Mark Lenders type copy cats who call themselves unbiased analysts, but spread laughable absurdity? Just tell what's your intent posting here because I don't see one taking into account how you always care about serious perception of yourself or other users, but on the other hand not really open for truly unbiased discussions meaning you can't deal with your own agenda. The smell of hypocrisy is strong here
You know what would make you look smart? NOT mimicking what I just told YOU. That's the second time today, man you need some imagination. I don't care about how people here perceive me, I only say what's on my mind. If you want people who care about their MTF credentials, look no further than to your own pals who pulled out of the ACC. Anyways if you want to discuss tennis (I'll take a wild guess that you don't), you're welcome to present some arguments based on actual facts. Your empty speculations don't interest me very much
Yesterday 11:31 PM
Tutsi Frutsi
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Orka_n View Post
It is obviously YOU who are dealing in hypotheticals, confidently stating that Novak would have won at least 2 CYGS if he was born earlier (). And please, do me a favor and drop the hypocritical nonsense about mutual compromise. You are a troll, interested in nothing but provoking other users and driving your ignorant agenda.
Let's use some logic. If Djokovic wins RG-16 and gets NCYGS it means he would have won at least 1 CYGS in 04-07. Simple and rational.
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Originally Posted by Orka_n View Post
And please, do me a favor and drop the hypocritical nonsense about mutual compromise. You are a troll, interested in nothing but provoking other users and driving your ignorant agenda.
What's your purpose here? You're clealy biased towards Federer, but at the same time call others trolls for trying to figure out deeper layers of tennis rivalries and you pretend to be the objective poster. Are you just another of those Mark Lenders type copy cats who call themselves unbiased analysts, but spread laughable absurdity? Just tell what's your intent posting here because I don't see one taking into account how you always care about serious perception of yourself or other users, but on the other hand not really open for truly unbiased discussions meaning you can't deal with your own agenda. The smell of hypocrisy is strong here
Yesterday 11:10 PM
Orka_n
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
Wait, is it all you got? Throwing water balloons of hypothetics and thinking they're real arguments? For the topic that implies detailed breakdown of technical aspects, dynamics of their matches, mental factor etc. to find the invisible legit line of conclusions that would lead us to mutual compromise? No wonder mtf is drowning with superficial analysis of so called veterans like you who do nothing, but keep practising useless mantras and it's not even a lot of fun after Yoda left the site. At least mtf got me to rise the forum from ashes even though after your rat like reports mods disabled my thread creating function for month
Calm your tits. First of all, and I've said this before: I don't control the mods. Hell, I'm not even very friendly with them. The mod I've had the most interaction with is probably Sham Kay, and our exchanges have consisted of mostly insults. So, if they consider you a shitty poster and take away your thread creating ability, then in my opinion they probably made the smart choice, but you can blame your trolling for that and not me. This victim act is so tiresome.
Secondly - copying me doesn't make you look smart. Don't make me repeat myself. It is obviously YOU who are dealing in hypotheticals, confidently stating that Novak would have won at least 2 CYGS if he was born earlier (). And please, do me a favor and drop the hypocritical nonsense about mutual compromise. You are a troll, interested in nothing but provoking other users and driving your ignorant agenda.
Yesterday 10:08 PM
JamesXP
Re: Endless Era Debates

No talk about Tomic in here? Such disrespect.
Yesterday 07:53 PM
Tutsi Frutsi
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Orka_n View Post
Haha oh you poor soul. Federer's movement has declined a lot. He still moves well but his footwork at his peak was another thing entirely. Just watch some matches of his from 04-06, the speed with which he used to fly around his backhand to hit his inside-out FH... Ah hell, on second thought don't bother. Your bias prevents you from admitting the truth anyway.
Sigh. Look. This woulda, coulda, shoulda argumentation is pointless. If you transported this Novak back in time, who knows? If there was no Fedal, could Novak have taken tennis in the noughties to a whole new level all by himself like Federer did? Unlikely, but again who knows.
There are a few things we HAVE seen and can measure though.
First, Djokovic lost twice against Safin and never beat him. The second match was held after Djokovic won his maiden AO title remember, Safin beat him in straights at Wimbledon. Roddick? He has a positive H2H against Djokovic.
So, to presume to know that Novak would own them and all the other guys Federer owned (apart from Nadal), that is just not logical. If you were just a tiny bit objective you would concede this fact and cease with the hypothetical rambling.

If Novak peaked in 04, would Fed have won less slams? Yeah a few probably. However, not only is this irrelevant as that goes both ways but - there is a reason Djokovic even now has some trouble with the old man despite Fed now missing a baseline game. Roger's game makes him uncomfortable and he can take the match out his hands. I know you go on with this BOAT thing because even you realize that it is too early to talk about Novak being GOAT - but no. Sorry to disappoint you, Djokovic is overall not the best player ever.

Anyway. Arguing with you is fruitless. You are not only a huge playertard but you're also a troll. Don't see this leading anywhere.
Wait, is it all you got? Throwing water balloons of hypothetics and thinking they're real arguments? For the topic that implies detailed breakdown of technical aspects, dynamics of their matches, mental factor etc. to find the invisible legit line of conclusions that would lead us to mutual compromise? No wonder mtf is drowning with superficial analysis of so called veterans like you who do nothing, but keep practising useless mantras and it's not even a lot of fun after Yoda left the site. At least mtf got me to rise the forum from ashes even though after your rat like reports mods disabled my thread creating function for month
Yesterday 07:33 PM
Orka_n
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
Ok genius, how it happened that Fed's power has declined , but not the movement?
Haha oh you poor soul. Federer's movement has declined a lot. He still moves well but his footwork at his peak was another thing entirely. Just watch some matches of his from 04-06, the speed with which he used to fly around his backhand to hit his inside-out FH... Ah hell, on second thought don't bother. Your bias prevents you from admitting the truth anyway.
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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
If you started talking about intellectual honesty then why are you being so dishonest pretending like prime Djokovic wouldn't have done as much as Federer in 2004-2007? In fact Novak wouldn't have lost to Kuerten at RG, Safin at AO and taking into account Djoko's competetive matches vs prime 2012-2013 Nadal there's no guarantee teen 2005-2007 Nadal would have beaten prime Djokovic which means easily 2 CYGS in the worst case scenario for Nole in 2004-2007.
Sigh. Look. This woulda, coulda, shoulda argumentation is pointless. If you transported this Novak back in time, who knows? If there was no Fedal, could Novak have taken tennis in the noughties to a whole new level all by himself like Federer did? Unlikely, but again who knows.
There are a few things we HAVE seen and can measure though.
First, Djokovic lost twice against Safin and never beat him. The second match was held after Djokovic won his maiden AO title remember, Safin beat him in straights at Wimbledon. Roddick? He has a positive H2H against Djokovic.
So, to presume to know that Novak would own them and all the other guys Federer owned (apart from Nadal), that is just not logical. If you were just a tiny bit objective you would concede this fact and cease with the hypothetical rambling.

If Novak peaked in 04, would Fed have won less slams? Yeah a few probably. However, not only is this irrelevant as that goes both ways but - there is a reason Djokovic even now has some trouble with the old man despite Fed now missing a baseline game. Roger's game makes him uncomfortable and he can take the match out his hands. I know you go on with this BOAT thing because even you realize that it is too early to talk about Novak being GOAT - but no. Sorry to disappoint you, Djokovic is overall not the best player ever.

Anyway. Arguing with you is fruitless. You are not only a huge playertard but you're also a troll. Don't see this leading anywhere.
Yesterday 07:25 PM
tennisfan3
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Originally Posted by Mong Mong View Post
With Novak winning everything left and right playing at his absolute worst, who can stop him? Federer is 35 and reaching his expiration date soon, Rafa is in the same and is even declining worse the Federer. Andy is probably done winning slams, and the rest of the field have no belief standing up to Novak.

With that regards, just how worthy are all of Novak's slams? Particularly the last 3? I keep hearing how Rafa is just a transitional legend from Roger to Novak, yet, Novak is winning all his slams, when he's the only one in the field with no competition at all.

How weak is this era?
Shows how amazing Nole is that he can win even with 100 errors. Don't be mad that he can pull it off.

And btw, considering "Olderer" would better than any competition he had from 04-07 other than ClayDal and Murray would be better than ClayDal everywhere but clay too, what does that make Federer's wins over Roddick, Philippoussis, Gonzalez, Baghdatis, Hewitt, etc.?

Exactly.
Yesterday 06:57 PM
Tutsi Frutsi
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by DinnerWarrior View Post
You speak the truth; you also do so rather well.
It's a testament to Federer's talent that despite his relative mental frailty he still managed to win as much as he did, including against Nadalovic xD
Federer isn't mentally fragile at all, he's just too creative. Roger has the privilege to choose his next action from the hundreds of shots, that's why such variety makes him overstimulated to find the right shot when the range of possibilities is so rich. Of course such paradox distracts him opposed to the basic players like Djokovic or Nadal whose mission is to grind out opponents and it works well for them because they don't spend much energy thinking about the right shot considering they're good enough to execute only the simpliest shots.
Yesterday 06:41 PM
DinnerWarrior
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
No need to mention tennisfan3 who's some angry dude like Slade's Nolefam version in terms of being unable to think rationally.

Tennis is simplier in a way we're trying to make it because the matches often come down to mental aspects, so these peak to peak discussions with the likes of Orka poisoning forum with their biased nonsense is absolutely meaningless if you understand that the player who handles himself better on a particular day wins the match considering Federer,Nadal and Djokovic are players of relatively similar level.
You speak the truth; you also do so rather well.
It's a testament to Federer's talent that despite his relative mental frailty he still managed to win as much as he did, including against Nadalovic xD
Yesterday 06:33 PM
Tutsi Frutsi
Re: How weak is the Novak era? Serious Talk.

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Originally Posted by Mong Mong View Post
With Novak winning everything left and right playing at his absolute worst, who can stop him? Federer is 35 and reaching his expiration date soon, Rafa is in the same and is even declining worse the Federer. Andy is probably done winning slams, and the rest of the field have no belief standing up to Novak.

With that regards, just how worthy are all of Novak's slams? Particularly the last 3? I keep hearing how Rafa is just a transitional legend from Roger to Novak, yet, Novak is winning all his slams, when he's the only one in the field with no competition at all.

How weak is this era?
Tired of Djokovic, Federer and Nadal acting as if they're the GOATs All it takes is young Rod Laver to show who's the real rock n rolla and Led Zeppelin of tennis
Yesterday 04:40 PM
Mong Mong
How weak is the Novak era? Serious Talk.

With Novak winning everything left and right playing at his absolute worst, who can stop him? Federer is 35 and reaching his expiration date soon, Rafa is in the same and is even declining worse the Federer. Andy is probably done winning slams, and the rest of the field have no belief standing up to Novak.

With that regards, just how worthy are all of Novak's slams? Particularly the last 3? I keep hearing how Rafa is just a transitional legend from Roger to Novak, yet, Novak is winning all his slams, when he's the only one in the field with no competition at all.

How weak is this era?
Yesterday 06:11 AM
JW Parker
Re: Endless Era Debates

Can anyone tell me why the federer forehand had more power with the old racquet than the new one ? I've looked everywhere but haven't found a satisfying answer
Yesterday 03:46 AM
TooBadFed
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
Tennis is simplier in a way we're trying to make it because the matches often come down to mental aspects, so these peak to peak discussions with the likes of Orka poisoning forum with their biased nonsense is absolutely meaningless if you understand that the player who handles himself better on a particular day wins the match considering Federer,Nadal and Djokovic are players of relatively similar level.
i think Djokovic's consistency at this point puts him definitely a level above everyone else, so regardless of any mental aspects he's just gonna be the true favorite in any match between these guys
Yesterday 12:43 AM
Tutsi Frutsi
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by TooBadFed View Post
just an example of a match in Federer's prime which contracts every point the other guy made. aggressive off both wings, variety, not a defensive game at all.

djokovic in his prime is in a grindfest with simon making 100 ue's.

its as tennisfan3 often says, the game today is just more physical. its not necessarily djokovic's fault that tennis has regressed into such a physical grindfest. the slowed courts, combined with the heavy and high bouncing balls, all play part of the role. federer has adapted and become more defensive as a result as well.
No need to mention tennisfan3 who's some angry dude like Slade's Nolefam version in terms of being unable to think rationally.

Tennis is simplier in a way we're trying to make it because the matches often come down to mental aspects, so these peak to peak discussions with the likes of Orka poisoning forum with their biased nonsense is absolutely meaningless if you understand that the player who handles himself better on a particular day wins the match considering Federer,Nadal and Djokovic are players of relatively similar level.
Yesterday 12:00 AM
TooBadFed
Re: If Federer's forehand has declined...

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Originally Posted by Tutsi Frutsi View Post
Providing the match vs Blake as a proof of anything
just an example of a match in Federer's prime which contracts every point the other guy made. aggressive off both wings, variety, not a defensive game at all.

djokovic in his prime is in a grindfest with simon making 100 ue's.

its as tennisfan3 often says, the game today is just more physical. its not necessarily djokovic's fault that tennis has regressed into such a physical grindfest. the slowed courts, combined with the heavy and high bouncing balls, all play part of the role. federer has adapted and become more defensive as a result as well.
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