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07-25-2016 08:36 PM
raysun68
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

I don't think we'll have a year with a 2009 level of field strength or competition at the top for at least 10 years, it's obvious that young players above 18 years old are not at big 4 level. However, excitement might be nice with more open slams and we'll just have to make with the lower level, I think it'll still be entertaining.
07-25-2016 08:32 PM
Gabeh99
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

Three or four outstanding players only come together at one time once in a generation. The last group was in the early 1980s with Connors, Borg, McEnroe and Lendl fighting it out. We may need another twenty-five years to see the likes of them or Federer, Nadal and Djokovic again. The current younger players don't seem to fit that mold, but you never can tell.
07-25-2016 08:29 PM
Steelfin
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

It went down since 2008.
07-25-2016 08:26 PM
CHIP72
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

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Originally Posted by Loosie View Post
More variety of winners will make it more interesting.
Fans of players like Thomas Johansson and Gaston Gaudio agree.
07-25-2016 07:17 PM
Loosie
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

More variety of winners will make it more interesting.
07-25-2016 07:14 PM
azure
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

Well the level has already come down from when the Big 4 were near their best. Peak Zverev and friends won't be the same level as peak Big 4, but they should be on par with or better than the declined versions. And before they retire Djokovic/Murray are going to decline to below Next Gen level, I mean if they're still No. 1/2 they would keep playing.

The main point is that in real time the Big 4 retiring won't drop the tennis level much, as they will only do so once they're past their slam winning days. But in general the non Big 4 era will likely be inferior to 2008 - 2012, for example.
07-25-2016 07:02 PM
Mr. library
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

I like Kyrgios but he'll have a Safin like career at best and will flame out quickly aftera couple of eyars near the top and a couple of slams. And I don't think he'll ever be as good as Safin was in his prime. So if it's conceivable that a guy of Kyrgios' ability can win a few slams in the next few years, it's safe to say that the top level has gone down.

He's a considerably worse player than Murray who's a worse player than Nadal, Federer and Djokovic.

Nishikori's the only who I feel from a skill standpoint is deserving of a slam. Just not the mentality of a true champion and he has a terrible serve.

I think Zvereve will be a future #1, great prospect, already top 25 at 19. Coric is talentless relative to actual top players. Chung looks like he'll be a weaponless mug of the highest order, even if he has a good ROS and a fun game to watch. Pouille is ok, he could be dangerous I guess, Thiem will probably win 1 or 2 FOs but hasn't hit a really high level where he's wowed me, Sock lol, Tomic is Tomic, Auger Aliassime is probably the one great prospect in the next 5-6 years, yet I think his condition will prevent him from being too much of a factor in Bo5, I hope not. In short, there's players to look forward to but there won't be a Djokovic, Nadal, Federer or even Murray for that matter for a long time. These guys were special. Really special.
07-25-2016 06:33 PM
out_here_grindin
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

It will be more interesting in that there will be more variety in slam winners and the tour will be much more open. But the actual play may not be that great. Could be entering an era of randomness.
07-25-2016 06:07 PM
CHIP72
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

It seems obvious that with the weak 1989-1994 generation barely making Slam finals, much less failing to win Slams, that there will be a decline. There's some hope in the late 1990s (1995-1999) generation, but even with those top guys (Zverev probably being the top guy at this point) it doesn't look like they'll reach the heights of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic or possibly even have a player as good as Andy Murray (even if one or more of those players ultimately wins more Slams than Murray). Time will tell though.
07-25-2016 06:05 PM
M.Bison
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

It'll be more boring because most of the youngsters can't return serve to save their lives. A serve dominated era is coming I would imagine.
07-25-2016 04:55 PM
Method Man
Re: Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come d

No, quite the opposite. The level of actual tennis (not cycling) will actually improve.
07-25-2016 04:53 PM
TheonGreyjoy
Do you think that after Nole,Murray,Fed, Nadal's era the tennis level will come down?

If we ignore Kyrgios's potential I don't see any other that could be in big-4's level.
07-10-2016 02:13 PM
SamprasHewittLOL
Re: Hewitt and Roddick played much tougher competition than Federer/Nadal

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This does not make any sense. Going by this logic you should actually be saying Fed had tougher competition since it was Fed who had it tougher vs Nadal.
Nobody, because teenager/mysteriously a "baby" on all surfaces but clay.
07-10-2016 02:11 PM
SamprasHewittLOL
Re: Hewitt and Roddick played much tougher competition than Federer/Nadal

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Originally Posted by TooBadFed View Post
so what you're saying is..

when you're so good, then you make everyone else look better because they had to face you

this is pretty much the same as the weak/strong era debate. is a strong era when random nobodies win every other week? or when only a few people dominate? while you think you're being profound starting this thread, in reality you've brought nothing new to the table. good try though.
I'm pointing out the ridiculous logic idiots use in claiming Federer dominated weak competition, but since other players faced him, they didn't.

Because after all, the only difference between Federer's competition and Nadal's competition was Federer himself. They accumulated almost all of their slams in the exact same era - the pre-Djokovic being better than #3 years.

In other words, the difference is that Federer can't play himself, hence he's playing "weaker competition" than others, which is hilarious logic.
07-10-2016 02:07 PM
SamprasHewittLOL
Re: Hewitt and Roddick played much tougher competition than Federer/Nadal

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Originally Posted by finishingmove View Post
So you're saying that Federer & Nadal is a stronger combination than Djokovic & Nadal or Djokovic & Federer, which is not true, as Djokovic is the best player among them.

Roddick and Hewitt were simply inferior to even pre-peak Federer and Nadal. Federer actually peaked in that era, unfortunately for him, because unchallenged as he was, it impaired his growth. His peak was enough to beat the Roddicks, Hewitts and Baghdatises. Post 2008 he stubbornly refused to try and improve his game, which will ultimately result in Djokovic surpassing him.

Even not counting his early career, Federer still overachieved greatly.

If you want to prove the weak era was not weak, you'll have to use an argument other than Federer. We know Federer was #1, we know he was good enough to beat players who were inferior to him and never moved from being that.
How is/was Djokovic a better player than Federer or Nadal? Oh, yeah, he wasn't, and nobody with any functioning brain cells thinks so.

Nice try, though. Sorry that you started watching tennis in 2011 and hopped on the bandwagon, desperate for your sudden interest in tennis to mean that your favorite is the best evarrrrr.
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