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08-10-2012 02:47 PM
decrepitude
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

He went there because a) it is mandatory (unlike Roger he is not permitted to skip), b)he likes the conditions and c) he was meeting up with Lendl there. Lendl won't be with him in Cinci. Although I put it 3rd actually I think this was possibly the most important to him. Also, although I thought this knee injury was his usual one of the congenital knee problem, it isn't - it's the other knee, a new symptom, and didn't happen until during the first match. Maybe he intended to play his way into the tournament gently to get over the surface change but it didn't happen.
08-10-2012 10:18 AM
duarte_a
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

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Originally Posted by decrepitude View Post
For heaven's sake don't believe everything you read in MTF!
I don't. But then what valid reason would murray have to play toronto?
Is he that stupid?! He's been around for some time now, he knows that he was tired, jet lag, surface transition, ....

What he has gained from his participation was 3rd round prize money + avoided 10.000 dollars penalty and 90 points.
Does this compensate for a possible week of rest and preparation for cincinnati like Roger did?
08-10-2012 10:03 AM
decrepitude
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

For heaven's sake don't believe everything you read in MTF!
08-10-2012 09:09 AM
duarte_a
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

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Originally Posted by yesyesok View Post
So just because a player has an excuse all they are avoiding is the financial penalty and they keep themselves in good standing with the tournament. The 0-pointer counts regardless.
As for Murray "getting some points this week" I'd say that's irrelevant. Ninety points is unliekly to make any difference at any point, although I am aware if Federer had 90 less points he wouldn't have been no 1 post Wimbledon. But that's the exception, not the rule.
This. All that talk of murray playing to avoid the point penalty just doesn't make sense.

If he had saved himself the trouble of going to toronto and taken a rest he would only have the finantial penalty and would earn 0 points instead of 90, as he won only 1 match.

I've read somewhere in MTF that he went to the tournament to avoid the 10.000 dollars penalty which I find strange because this is peanuts we're talking about for a guy that has made over 20 million in prizemoney only.
08-10-2012 08:55 AM
yesyesok
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

For anybody not clear on this, and there are a few of you, if you qualify for (by ranking or WC) and then don't play a masters 1000 or grand slam you get a 0-pointer and it sits on your ranking list for a year.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/P...erer.aspx?t=rb

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/P...ovic.aspx?t=rb

Check the links above and look at their Shanghai points. It doesn't matter if you're injured, not injured or you just experienced personal tragedy, the ATP want it to work like Forumla 1, they even cite Formula 1 in their rulebook.

An example of a player really suffering from these penalities and one who will continue to suffer is Monfils.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/P...fils.aspx?t=rb

If you looked at Del Potro's ranking in December 2010 he had 11 0-point penalties.

So just because a player has an excuse all they are avoiding is the financial penalty and they keep themselves in good standing with the tournament. The 0-pointer counts regardless.

As for Murray "getting some points this week" I'd say that's irrelevant. Ninety points is unliekly to make any difference at any point, although I am aware if Federer had 90 less points he wouldn't have been no 1 post Wimbledon. But that's the exception, not the rule.

On a side note I have Raonic to win Toronto on the ATP pics so I'm loving how this is unfolding.
08-10-2012 08:20 AM
NID
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

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Originally Posted by MuzzahLovah View Post
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/09...rom-rogers-cup
This was posted on his facebook. He says he picked up a niggle.
does not sound too serious...but still...

Quote:
"The hard court is, for me, the hardest on my body and it always takes me a bit of time to getting used to playing on them again and I hope it doesn't affect the next few weeks."
Murray, whose triumph at the London Games was on grass, suffered the injury while chasing down a forehand and was grimacing on the court after repeatedly grabbing his knee.
He called a medical timeout while leading his match with Italy's Flavio Cipolla 6-1 3-2 and received about five minutes of treatment before returning to the court to finish.
Murray, who made the decision to withdraw after a warm-up on a bike earlier on Thursday, said his physiotherapist will be at next week's Cincinnati Masters where he will have more treatment and training before deciding how to proceed.
"The left knee, I've never really had many problems with it beforehand so that was another reason for making this decision. I want to make sure it's not something that I am going to play through and maybe damage a little bit more," said Murray.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/art...th-knee-injury
08-10-2012 07:26 AM
mreccentric
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

what happens to my vCash in the vBet?
08-10-2012 07:08 AM
dencod16
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

Congrats to Raonic at least you did something in the great overhype that you have achieved by reaching Quarters of a Masters for the first time.
08-10-2012 06:51 AM
Chirag
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

good decision Now I hope we get a Djokovic Milos final
08-10-2012 06:20 AM
Pea
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

How fortunate to withdraw as soon as he faces a Canadian.
08-10-2012 06:18 AM
Mr. Oracle
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

Fakeray openly insulting the proud, peaceful, beaver and moose loving nation of Canada. I had contempt for him before but now he's just being an agitator.
08-10-2012 03:22 AM
Semenya
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

what a punk He was all fine and dandy fluking his way to Gold over Goderer, now he's injured? psghhh
08-10-2012 03:19 AM
uxyzapenje
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

Raonic is so lucky. First there are enough withdrawls so he can be seeded, then he beats Troicki and Murray pulls out, so instead of having to beat at least 2 higher ranked opponents and winning 3 matches, he won 1 vs a lower ranked opponent for his 1st masters QF and enters the TOP20 for the first time. Although I would like him to make a breakthrough, this is hilarious.
08-10-2012 02:57 AM
fast_clay
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

points on offer now...
08-10-2012 12:07 AM
ogbg
Re: Murray withdraws from Toronto.

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Originally Posted by Zenjo View Post
A few months ago Victoria Azarenka did exactly the same thing at a tournament. Show up, win one match and withdraw so she wouldn't get a 0 pointer.

With the Olympics they should've been more leniant with the mandatory tournaments this year.
But he was only defending like 90 points or something. I think he said earlier it was his only chance to meet up with his coach before USO so I think that was probably his main reason.
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