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Today 07:51 AM
Phenomenadal
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

I don't watch this show, but I did see the scene with Ed Sheeran. What a tune.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GOAT
It's a new one
On ya Ed.
Today 06:17 AM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

 
A pretty good episode actually, but again they need to advance the story further IMO. The pace is still to slow.
Too much time showing Grey Worm and Missandei for example. Not that I complain much about seeing Miss Emmanuel naked.
Also where is Bran?

Well, Cersei 1 - Daenerys 0. Euron is bringing gifts in the next episode. Daenerys haters got their wish. It is not all smooth sailing for her. She also has to balance all the fractions in her force, which is not a simple task obviously.
Although some of them are gone now. Bye Sand snakes, no one will cry for you.
And Theon cockless coward indeed. It would be funny if Gendry picks him up and gives him a lift back to Dragonstone

You have to admire Daenerys and what they did to her in this episode. Those dialogues with Varys, Ollena and Melisandre were awesome. Especially Varys (RtD got his wish and they finally talked ).

"You are the Dragon, be the Dragon"!

Parts with Arya and Sam were also good. Nymeria finally shows up. And Arya turned North.
How did Sam missed the part about dragonglass healing properties, we all saw in the book he was reading

And did I ask where was Bran. We need him in Winterfell to tell Jon.
Also where were Hound and Brotherhood?

Speaking about Winterfell - Jon did couple of good things - Leaving for Dragonstone and leaving the North to Sansa, but one terrible stupid, typical Stark thing, that killed both Robb and Ned. He needlessly made enemy out of Littlefinger. That crypt scene was bad.

Also I think one dragon will be killed or injured now. Master Qyburn got some good hints from The Hobbit
Yesterday 06:44 PM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Roger the Dodger View Post
we've been suffering the Hound's miserable emotional state for 4 seasons now. No need to add ten mins of screentime to prolong his misery and ours.

Of course I understood it was the farmer and his child


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Meantime, Mark Mylod is the director for Stormborn. Was responsible for 2 flop episodes of last season.
Should we be afraid?
Yes, the S6E7 and 8 were not the best episodes. We shell see. I expect some good stuff based on trailers.
Yesterday 03:53 PM
Roger the Dodger
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

we've been suffering the Hound's miserable emotional state for 4 seasons now. No need to add ten mins of screentime to prolong his misery and ours.

Of course I understood it was the farmer and his child


---

Meantime, Mark Mylod is the director for Stormborn. Was responsible for 2 flop episodes of last season.
Should we be afraid?
07-22-2017 03:17 AM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

A new trailer. Looks better and better.



 

So Papa Tarly joins Cersei.
Lannister army looks awesome - for now
Melisandre joins Daenerys.
Jon calls "Daenerys" by name
Euron wins a battle but not the war.
Jamie/Tarly take Highgarden.
Unsullied take Casterly Rock.
fun fun fun...
07-22-2017 03:12 AM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Roger the Dodger View Post
Also, I have had enough of the Hound wallowing in self-pity and self-brought moral confusion.
Either start killing or die. Really.

Would love to see him in a fight against Tormund and watch one of them flop but that seems unlikely because GoT fights aren't as brave as before. He'll probably strangle Thoros of Myr out of boredom. But no one will mind because no one really cares about that boozard.

Ah, the good old days when they pitted well-built characters like Jaime vs Ned Stark so that we had no clue where the story was heading. The good old days when they referred to books written by GRRM himself rather than slaughter his epic with HBO's full legal force.

Bye, bye good old days!

Welcome, shitty scriptwriting
Oh Come on. If you are going to whine, whine about something that is really worth whining. Your wishes are terrible and make a stupid story. Tormund vs Hound. That is shallow and bad crowd pleasing storytelling.

Actually what they did with Hound is quite good character development and adds a nice dimension and depth to the story. i.e good writing.
You obviously didn't manage to figure out what is the significance of Brotherhood Without Banners, Thoros and Beric. Also you obviously missed all the little subtleties around Hound in the last episode. You probably missed that the house they are in is the same house Arya and Hound were in in Season 4 when Hound stole gold from father and daughter, saying "they will be dead by winter". And he found them dead there. You also missed that the line "Be nice to strangers and strangers will be nice to you" from Arya scene with Lannister soldiers referred to Hound. and than you whine why you don't get Hound vs Tormund.

Pay a bit more attention to details and the story instead just whining about meaningless things. You will enjoy the show more.
07-21-2017 05:36 PM
Roger the Dodger
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

Also, I have had enough of the Hound wallowing in self-pity and self-brought moral confusion.
Either start killing or die. Really.

Would love to see him in a fight against Tormund and watch one of them flop but that seems unlikely because GoT fights aren't as brave as before. He'll probably strangle Thoros of Myr out of boredom. But no one will mind because no one really cares about that boozard.

Ah, the good old days when they pitted well-built characters like Jaime vs Ned Stark so that we had no clue where the story was heading. The good old days when they referred to books written by GRRM himself rather than slaughter his epic with HBO's full legal force.

Bye, bye good old days!

Welcome, shitty scriptwriting
07-19-2017 08:49 PM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Nathaliia View Post
So do you expect George Martin will write a different ending to the TV show and that Dany has less items there than she has on the show?

I don't find this TV writing sloppy.

Also things like "wow this show is so crap because suddenly ships / Arya covered so much distance within 1 episode". Yes, movies aren't played in real time, sometimes they show 1 minute in 5 minutes and sometimes 5 years in 1 minute. I'll never understand criticism for that.

The only thing TV does make sloppy is the character of Euron, who, I believe, has much more cards up his sleeve in the books. Also the actor doesn't have charisma. It's painful to watch.

They killed off a lot of the strong men characters anyway (it's not TV writers' fault either, G Martin did it first). With elimination of Stannis actor or Charles Dance, Roose Bolton and even Ramsay (he was a bit caricatural but he was a psycho and it was scary enough - otherwise why Javier Bardem or Christoph Waltz would be so popular in Hollywood) there's generally less danger and charisma in the air. They should bring in this Tarly father maybe.

As for black colour, oh cmon, Jon Snow has been wearing black since day 1, and now also Dany wears black and is in some black castle. Sansa is also in black. I think it's just supposed to show winter and set grim winter atmosphere on show that in the past was full of colours everywhere.
Agreed, pretty much 100%.

It seems like some people are actually trying very hard to find things to complain. "Main actors are wearing black buhu", big deal. Costumes actually look much better this season.
I also never understood the criticism: "Oh he was on the other continent last episode, how did he make it back so fast" - it is not real time people.
07-19-2017 08:39 PM
Nathaliia
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

So do you expect George Martin will write a different ending to the TV show and that Dany has less items there than she has on the show?

I don't find this TV writing sloppy.

Also things like "wow this show is so crap because suddenly ships / Arya covered so much distance within 1 episode". Yes, movies aren't played in real time, sometimes they show 1 minute in 5 minutes and sometimes 5 years in 1 minute. I'll never understand criticism for that.

The only thing TV does make sloppy is the character of Euron, who, I believe, has much more cards up his sleeve in the books. Also the actor doesn't have charisma. It's painful to watch.

They killed off a lot of the strong men characters anyway (it's not TV writers' fault either, G Martin did it first). With elimination of Stannis actor or Charles Dance, Roose Bolton and even Ramsay (he was a bit caricatural but he was a psycho and it was scary enough - otherwise why Javier Bardem or Christoph Waltz would be so popular in Hollywood) there's generally less danger and charisma in the air. They should bring in this Tarly father maybe.

As for black colour, oh cmon, Jon Snow has been wearing black since day 1, and now also Dany wears black and is in some black castle. Sansa is also in black. I think it's just supposed to show winter and set grim winter atmosphere on show that in the past was full of colours everywhere.
07-19-2017 08:27 PM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

LOL at the whiners.

And LOL at calling people who still enjoy the show "shallow fanboys" in order to hide their own luck of understanding how complex and layered the show and the story actually is.

RtD keeps repeating the same things and complaints season after season. For him any of the "good" guys surviving would be a "yawn", "boring" and "predictable". Even though his preferred ending do not make sense at all and would make a terrible and nonsensical story.

Sorry to break it to you but killing off all the good guys and making the story an "unhappy ending" just for the sake of unpredictability and shock factor is neither original, nor creative, nor makes a good story. GRRM said that several times himself. Every death and shock so far in the saga had its purpose, made sense in the greater scheme of things and advanced the story further. Killing of the heroes you build for 7 seasons (or books) makes no sense and GRRM (and D&D for that matter) knows that very well.

But don't worry, it will not be all smooth sailing for Daenerys and Jon until the end, and the end will not be plain and straightforward, but will not be shocking and stupid as some of you want it, either. The story is much more deeper and complex than that.

Not all good guys will survive, and it will be about balancing the Ice and Fire among the other things.

My advice to you - despite some shortcomings it is still the best freaking show on TV by far, and instead whining, just relax and enjoy the ride. My biggest complain is 3 + 4 episodes they stole from us in the last two seasons. I want them back.

Or if you prefer, ignore the show completely, go into a vault for a decade or so until GRRM finishes the books and read them.

Your choice.
07-19-2017 07:00 PM
Ace Pounder
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

This season premiere was tragic, actually the very worst episode to date. Utterly boring and lifeless. No tea no shade, hey! That's just how banal the show is becoming without source material. The dialogues were endless in this first episode, they were empty of any meaning and lacked the finesse the books offered (which I have finally read recencly and which translated handsomely on screen in seasons 1-4 and bits of S5). Some scenes were even painful to watch, for how far off they are stylistically and narratively from what has been done, like the scene showing the repetition of Sam's tasks: it was tasteless and killed the little mood the episode was desperately trying to set.

And, as stated before me here, Daenerys not winning the incoming battle would be the messiest thing ever, with all the tactical and "technical" advantages she's gathered. It makes it all very predictable and boring to watch, because you feel like it's already won for her, unless a major fuck-up occurs or the show ends up with the White Walkers winning over the world, which, to be fair, would be a decent finish given the current state of affairs in Game of Thrones.



The series is suffering a slow and painful death - nothing fanboys (who'll try to delude themselves) could do about it - and that makes me a bit sad, because at its best, it was one of the finest TV works ever made.
07-19-2017 06:24 PM
Roger the Dodger
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - there's nothing quite as predictable and boring as the fact that Jon and Dany will win the throne.

Predictable because:

1. they have the X-factor such as being fireproof and being reborn, in their favor. Everyone else = normal. Check.

2. Their characters have been built meticulously to face tough moral decisions and yet choose the noble decision over the clever compromise under most trying circumstances. Check.

3. Targy blood. Check.

4. Targies are known to wed their sibling. Dany has no one else in her family. Expect the "chosen ones" to be mesmerized by each other at first sight. Ladies and Gentemen, another trite "happy ending" story. We've found our rulers, yayy!!!

Boring because:

1. The initial hype about GoT was how it reshaped the Modern Fantasy genre with more realism and uncertainty. It was a show that drew in an audience uninterested in fantasy because of its rich politics and realism, attired in an epic medieval setting. Well however much this rule of uncertainty applies to folks from other houses, it won't apply on Jon and Dany because they are Ice and Fire. Boring.

2. The principal cast aka Dany and Jon are protected by a hackneyed fantasy plot. Unlike the lives of the Dany and Jon, the major character plotlines are more interesting because politics and decision-making actually affects the outcome of their lives, not so much as Dany and Jon's who are somehow saved and survive the odds everytime. So the message we are to take is they are "special". Got it, damn boring. Would have been fun if all characters were truly flawed and one of them ended up winning the way things are won in the "Game" of thrones, not by fantasy power. Boring.

3. The show initially had a cast of "grey" characters. Now its slowly turned black and white. There are the "good" people and the "bad" people. Worse the bad people are now dressed black, and the throne room is black as well. Cersei for instance is now a Disney's Evil Queen prototype. Couldn't have been worse.

4. GRRM's good storytelling (and he began writing this as a pet project) has been substituted by shoddy writing from television writers who have deadlines to meet and obviously shitty producers forcing them to generate material asap - while having no firsthand reference to GRRM's imagination as the last two seasons are drafted from his plot-structures, not his written novels. Yes, deadlines are met, and this results in poorly written characters and plots, and awkward pacing of the story. Take for instance the cardboard character of the "Mr. fast-forward" Euron Greyjoy who has traversed GRRM's world across and back in less than five episodes. His whole storyline is both deliberate and desperate because of shortage of time (because the producers don't want a year off or fans will boo) and shortage of funds (because once you have the whole plot, why waste money on 10 episodes per season!). Yes, like a plug that fixes a leak, he is inserted at odd points such as the provider of a thousand ships because you know someone has to look imposing with an army so that we can have some battle scenes because we have to build things up a little, no? (before that person inevitably loses) So predicatable, and boring. GoT is now an embodiment of every cliche it was aiming to surpass.

5. It has created senseless fanfare. Fanboys and fangirls of GoT, here and every other place blindly love the show and can't take any criticism of it. This always happens when something big comes up. First, there is a group of people that love it for what was innovative, imaginative or meaningful about it. This intellectual interest brings in rave reviews and rabid fangirls. This second generation of "fans" are little or no different from "glory hunters" that identify with the person or product with full force of their ego. This ego is projected in two ways: one, blind devotion to the product, to such extent that they refuse to see obvious flaws in it; and two, ignorant attacks on those who point the flaws. It is this much larger and senseless group that is always detrimental to any creativity and sadly producers of film and television pander to their tastes, because they are the "mass". It could be i-pod, GoT or Rafael Nadal, rabid thoughtless fanboyism brings in the moolah and therefore, all show-people love rabid thoughtless fanboys and girls. So those that point plotholes and other errors in the writing, and worse any fingers at beloved Dany and her Jon Doe are enemies. Its so boring that a show potentially epic in philosophical and political scope in the genre of fantasy will end up a beautifully shot action-drama with a trite, clumsily fabricated storyline.

I hope I am proven wrong, that "chosen ones" Dany and Jon both flop for the sake of the story, but I'm pretty sure GoT can't return to its former glorious uncertainty and richness of storytelling anymore.

Yawn!

 


1. So Arya can change proportions and throw Walder Frey's exact voice? What next, she plays the Mountain and grows as tall as him? If that's possible in this universe, where's the exposition? Should have had a scene to show the basis for this ability in previous seasons. But hey, Jaqen let her go with a smile because she spent two seasons learning nothing, so why not continue not making sense. Always easier no?
2. Where in the seven hells is Gendry?
3. How did Mormont land up in Oldstown? Oh wait, if Varys and Euron can zip-zap through GoT space, why not Jorah?
4. So in the previous season it was established that Euron the mug is on his way to propose to Dany and this season his scene shows his fleet arriving at Cersei's Oh wait, it was assumed the audience understood, no?
07-19-2017 12:47 PM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Nathaliia View Post
Nobody will hate Arya if she kills Ed Sheeran, can't blame the people here.

Danaerys always had it easy or at least relatively easy past season 1, sorry. Even if she had some temporary trouble, her natural superpower or the dragon always showed up. She's not an underdog for a long, long time now.
I don't think someone has to be an underdog to like her/him?
Anyway, Daenerys was an underdog for the first 2 and 1/2 season. Was not an underdog since S3E4 when she got Unsullied. And even since then she didn't get it quite easy. Novak was not an underdog since 2011 too.

I will quote Tyrion here:
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
When I was a young man I heard a story about a baby born during the worst storm in living memory. She had no wealth, no lands, no army, only a name and a handful of supporters, most of whom probably thought they could use that name to benefit themselves. They kept her alive, moving her from place to place, often hours ahead of the men who had been sent to kill her. She was eventually sold off to some warlord on the edge of the world and that appeared to be that. And then a few years later the most well informed person I knew told me that this girl without wealth, lands, or armies had somehow acquired all 3 in a very short span of time, along with three dragons. He thought she was our best, last chance to build a better world.
OTOH Cersei was never an underdog and was killing people and manipulating everyone since S1E1.

LOL agreed about Ed Sheeran. Apparently Arya (the actress) is a huge fan of Ed Sheeran (she should know better) and they did the cameo for her.
07-19-2017 11:54 AM
Nathaliia
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

Nobody will hate Arya if she kills Ed Sheeran, can't blame the people here.

Danaerys always had it easy or at least relatively easy past season 1, sorry. Even if she had some temporary trouble, her natural superpower or the dragon always showed up. She's not an underdog for a long, long time now.
07-19-2017 02:34 AM
Floki
Re: HBO game of thrones - anyone watching?

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Originally Posted by Nathaliia View Post
 
That's why it would be very interesting if that Dany alliance cracked somewhere or that Cersei managed to make some unsuspected move. But with just Night King to come, I doubt they'll have time for that and that Westeros part will be left sideways...

But there's definitely potential for plot twists. That high Sept burning for example was already an epic example, and would have made more impact if we all didn't know it was going to happen from spoilers




And yeah it's kinda hard to support Dany when she has got everything always given to her - not only natural superpowers that nobody else has - but also all the powerful advisors / allies instantly attached to her. Beyond season 1, she just does whatever she wants. Being a spoiled brat aside, cheering on her is only for gloryhunters, I'd expect her to be the favourite of Federer fans for example.

Cersei is a character who has done so many bad things, but she has my interest. She is an underdog, but one with tricks up her sleeve. She's the Nalbandian here.

And Jon Snow is the most worthy character anyway. He wasn't given almost anything (well, except second life, right...) and he doesn't have the annoying "I deserve to be the king" attitude. Quite the contrary. He is humble like Rafa. And people end up coming to him naturally.

Samwell Tarly is like Nole. Kind spirited guy who wants to be liked with a dominating wife (I bet Gilly has already turned Sam vegan) and he is looking for maester advice.
Come on Nathallia you are better than this. This is such a cliche, people love to hate Daenerys. They think it is cool because she is "overpowered" and "got everything given to her", which is not quite true.

Daenerys didn't get anything at all "given to her" and she was never a "spoiled brat". She managed to make and create everything out of nothing and against all the odds and based on her own skills and merit.
- She was born and grew up in exile without anything.
- Then sold to a savage chieftain by her own brother, but managed to turn the husband and his whole Dothraki army to follow her.
- Her only advisor was a spy for the Robert Beratheon but she managed to make him love her too.
- When her husband died she figured out how to hatch the dragons by herself.
- Overcame Warlocks and other enemies in Quarth again by herself.
- She figured out how to get Unsullied army, how to make them love her and fight for her forever, again by herself and against advises of Ser Barristan and Jorah.
- She took on a honorable quest to free the slaves against her own interests.
- She figured how to conquer Yunkai and Mereen again on her own.
- She locked the dragons when they started to make trouble and kill people.
- She was captured by Dothraki but again managed to get them all on her side by herself.
- Tyrion didn't help her much, but she listens to his advises and is aware she needs him to be a better ruler.
- Yes she got Yara/Theon, Sand Snakes and Tyrells on her side at the end of season 6, thanks to her advisers. So?
- Unlike her father (and Cersei, ...) she wants to leave the world the better place.

She is one of 3 main protagonist of the show (Jon, Tyrion, Daenerys). Not antagonist.

She is now like Novak 2015/2016. Dominating, but her raise was against all the odds, and as I said, based on her own skills and made by herself. Quite deserved and should be admired, but people love to hate her instead.

Glory-hunters and casual show fans actually cheer for Starks, not for Daenerys. Starks are far from perfect, but people still love them unconditionally. Will not talk about the dead ones, but:
- everyone loves Arya who is turning into a psychopath serial killer. Ed Sheeran and his party are next.
- Jon and Sansa made so many mistakes and will be turning against each other in a power struggle.
- Jon got killed by his own people. But he is a Targaryen actually so maybe I should skip him
- Sansa was in love with Joffrey and married Ramsay.
- Not to mention careless Bran who is like a drug addict, addicted to the weirwood trees. He will be the main reason White Walkers would be able to pass the wall.
Don't get me wrong I love them too.

OTOH Cersei is a pure evil.
- She managed to make the enemy of her own brother, and will soon do the same with the other one.
- She had Tyrells on her side but due to her own malice she turned them against her and "burned them all".
- She is the reason her son killed himself.
- She is the "mad queen" and will end up like the "mad king".
- As someone said, all she knows how to do is love her children and burn things, and she is out of children.

 

You will both get your wish in the very next episode when Euron destroys Yara/Theon and Martells. Jamie will also take Tyrells castle, so early battles go to Cersei and against Daenerys.
Cersei will also get support from the Iron Bank.
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