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02-21-2012 09:09 PM
KaiserT
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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Now that Davis Cup awards ranking points you can't exclude his win. Every year is different. Just because he had a great South American run two years ago doesn't mean it's always his strongest part of the season. In fact traditionally it was one of his weaker months.

Losing to Mayer and Nishikori is nothing compared to losses he's had in the European clay swing to much lower ranked players. The only real suspicion here is that he's 32 years old when critics always question motivation. Every losing streak is hyped ten fold because of age.
He just looks done to me..... think this will be his last year on tour, he doesn't have the physical ability to do his talents justice anymore.
02-21-2012 08:59 PM
SapELee
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

I like both players, happy for Kei and sad for Juan.
02-21-2012 08:49 PM
Naudio Spanlatine
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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Good for tennis.
02-21-2012 08:47 PM
Jimnik
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

He would have retired a long time ago if he thought a ranking of 20-50 was not worth fighting for.
02-21-2012 08:47 PM
Naudio Spanlatine
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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Whose that in your avatar :O
Jana Defi
02-21-2012 08:45 PM
Voo de Mar
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

Do you really think that for a former No. 1 it makes any difference whether he is in the Top 40 or Top 50?
02-21-2012 08:43 PM
Jimnik
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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It's a matter of mindset, I saw Ferrero's last three matches and it was a different player against Kukushkin than against Mayer and Nishikori.
There were more ranking points up for grabs. I wouldn't say he was a different player but he certainly held his nerve better than Kukushkin when it mattered.
02-21-2012 08:40 PM
Voo de Mar
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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Statistics tell a different story. Davis Cup rubbers are usually won by younger more enthusiastic competitors. The older more experienced players tend to lack the motivation and energy for DC atmospheres.
It's a matter of mindset, I saw Ferrero's last three matches and it was a different player against Kukushkin than against Mayer and Nishikori.
02-21-2012 08:38 PM
Jimnik
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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That's right but Davis Cup rubbers are different than tournament matches, in some sense favors experienced players, who were involved in so many long battles that know very well how to spread energy throughout the match, ...
Statistics tell a different story. Davis Cup rubbers are usually won by younger more enthusiastic competitors. The older more experienced players tend to lack the motivation and energy for DC atmospheres.
02-21-2012 08:35 PM
Voo de Mar
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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Now that Davis Cup awards ranking points you can't exclude his win.
That's right but Davis Cup rubbers are different than tournament matches, in some sense favors experienced players, who were involved in so many long battles that know very well how to spread energy throughout a best of five match, besides this it's a different mind-set I guess, when you can give everything you've got knowing that the next day you will be resting, in Ferrero's case in that match against Kukushkin it was actually a matter to give everything during the weekend just in that particular rubber.
02-21-2012 08:29 PM
Sunset of Age
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

Good for Kei, not all that bad for Juanqui.
02-21-2012 08:28 PM
LawrenceOfTennis
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

Good for tennis.
02-21-2012 08:24 PM
Jimnik
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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I don't consider it in terms of ranking, he was a couple times ranked much more lower but every time after an injury and losing of previous year's points.

He has lost six consecutive tournament matches. Admittedly he had a similar streak two years ago but after that was the best at the South American swing. Now, with defeats to Mayer and Nishikori (well, Top 20 player but playing first ATP event in South America) his confidence must be really low, and it's tough to expect he will go far in Acapulco where the draw is even more demanding than in Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires.
Now that Davis Cup awards ranking points you can't exclude his win. Every year is different. Just because he had a great South American run two years ago doesn't mean it's always his strongest part of the season. In fact traditionally it was one of his weaker months.

Losing to Mayer and Nishikori is nothing compared to losses he's had in the European clay swing to much lower ranked players. The only real suspicion here is that he's 32 years old when critics always question motivation. Every losing streak is hyped ten fold because of age.
02-21-2012 02:19 PM
Voo de Mar
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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Losing two matches at 250 events is hardly a crisis. He's ranked #44 with no points to defend until July and the big tournaments are yet to come.
I don't consider it in terms of ranking, he was a couple times ranked much more lower but every time after an injury and losing of previous year's points.

He has lost six consecutive tournament matches. Admittedly he had a similar streak two years ago but after that was the best at the South American swing. Now, with defeats to Mayer and Nishikori (well, Top 20 player but playing first ATP event in South America) his confidence must be really low, and it's tough to expect he will go far in Acapulco where the draw is even more demanding than in Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires.
02-21-2012 12:43 PM
Sombrerero loco
Re: Buenos Aires R1: Nishikori def. Ferrero 7-5, 3-6, 6-2

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