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02-21-2012 11:25 AM
romismak
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

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Originally Posted by MuzzahLovah View Post
Maybe he could upset Nadal on a fast indoor court, but Murray and Djokovic are the best returners in the game, and Federer's block/slice returns against big servers are pretty damn effective usually. Raonic losing to Hewitt, a great returner, but from a different era- yeah, I'm not sure the others have something to worry about.
Right now agree with you, current Raonic can beat probably only Rafa from big 4 on fast indoor, or grass-1st week Wimby or Queens/Halle, olympics. But Nole-Andy are just too good returners, it is impossible even for Milos to hold service games during whole match against those guys, and in rallies of course they are superior to him, Federer how you mentioned is used to sliced-block back big serves like he is doing against A-Rod succesfully their whole careers, and besides that Roger has very good serve by himself, plus game to back-up it of course, but good serving Federer should without problems hold his service games against returners like Milos, Bernard and other youngesters.
02-21-2012 06:20 AM
MuzzahLovah
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

Maybe he could upset Nadal on a fast indoor court, but Murray and Djokovic are the best returners in the game, and Federer's block/slice returns against big servers are pretty damn effective usually. Raonic losing to Hewitt, a great returner, but from a different era- yeah, I'm not sure the others have something to worry about.
02-21-2012 01:50 AM
LisaKoh
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

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Originally Posted by Voo de Mar View Post
Exhibition matches rather don't count.
Ok, got it.
02-21-2012 01:42 AM
Voo de Mar
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

Exhibition matches rather don't count.
02-21-2012 01:38 AM
LisaKoh
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

Does the Kooyong result with Tomic beating Djokovic count? But then it wasn't Djoker 2.0 back then...
02-21-2012 12:25 AM
Thunderfish8
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

RAONIC!!! WHAT A GENIUS! This must explain why the youngsters have won once out of 99999 matches in the past year (although Donald Young over Murray in Indian Wells shouldn't really count cuz Murray was still crying over his Aussie Open loss) against top 4 players.

I would respect Raonic and Tomic's statements about the top four not being that threatening if one of them could win a fucking match against the top 4.
02-21-2012 12:11 AM
Voo de Mar
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

He will back on Earth after first encounters with Djokovic, Murray and Federer.
02-20-2012 11:47 PM
TheBaker
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

Raonic must not have seen the aus open semis and final after getting bounced by old man rusty. Maybe Milos could beat a top 4 player on his day in favorable conditions but not at a grand slam in best of 5. There's a difference between pulling out the occasional upset and consistently making semis and finals in every tournament and being able to win tough matches when you aren't playing well. The gap is much bigger than he thinks.
02-20-2012 10:38 PM
allpro
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

relax, folks. milos was just being generous with his fellow upstarts
02-20-2012 09:13 PM
Ash86
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

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He's definitely got the right attitude but we haven't seen him play against anyone in the top 10 outside of Tipsy, correct?
He's played Nadal twice and lost in straights both times not even managing to get one set to a breaker (Tokyo 2010 and 2011). I agree he's a better player now then he was even 6 months ago but it's not as easy to get to a tie breaker against Nole/Rafa/Andy etc. as it might be against someone like Istomin. Those guys will get some of his serves back and even if it's only one serve every game at a certain point it'll mess with his rhythm knowing that not every ball will be an ace or an unreturnable..

I'm sure he'll beat them at some point - Karlovic beat Roger, Dodig beat Nadal etc. and Raonic is a far better player than either of them - but that doesn't equate to saying the gap is not big. The gap is huge - in terms of experience, titles, skills (movement, FH, BH, ROS, volleys, defence, mental strength - pretty much everything but the serve). Good for him for being positive but the reality is that the top 4 are way above the field for a reason - it's not a fluke - they're just fundamentally more complete and consistent than the rest of the tour.
02-20-2012 08:46 PM
stewietennis
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

There is a noticeable gap between Top Four vs The Rest Of The Top 20.

Raonic and Tomic are still a couple of years away from seriously challenging Djokovic and Nadal. The Tomic slicefest against Dolgopolov isn't going to cut it; and Raonic being bounced by Hewitt isn't either.
02-20-2012 08:32 PM
Miss Molly
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

He's definitely got the right attitude but we haven't seen him play against anyone in the top 10 outside of Tipsy, correct? He did well against Roddick last year but he's hardly in his prime. We'll see how it goes but he does have a real, quiet confidence in his game that I love to see, hardly ever panics and that's going to help him.

There's nothing wrong with what he said. He said they're close, not that they'll beat the top 4. He's right, if he can hold serve and get them in a breaker, anything can happen but he also said he doesn't know if it can be done consistently.
02-20-2012 07:59 PM
Alex999
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

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Originally Posted by Aenea View Post
I agree.

I am stunned how players who have only won a couple of measly ATP titles have the confidence to say they are nor far behind the ones who have won a ton of Masters shields and GS. I like people being positive and self believers but in this case Raonic is just delusional. What has he ever achieved? Whom has he beaten? Istomin? Yeah, right it is almost like beating Rafa, Nole or Fed in a GS final. Almost... not.

And relying just on pushing a TB never liked those kind of players.
yup. I really believe that these youngsters should speak with their rackets first. I mean too many tennis players simply have a big mouth. you know, talk when you actually win some big tournaments.

as much as I like Raonic, he shouldn't be even mentioned in the same sentence with Nole, Rafa and Rog. He'd better work on his fitness and try to simply improve his game.
02-20-2012 07:50 PM
Snowwy
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

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true or false, its the right attitude to have. you need to believe you can compete at the top level and set your goals accordingly. if you are lucky you may one day win a slam.
Exactly this.
02-20-2012 07:20 PM
Aenea
Re: Raonic: Gap between top 4 and youngsters not big

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nonsense. the gap between top 4 and the rest of the field is simply huge. I mean, it's good that Milos is positive but he is also being delusional. like it or not, Novak and Rafa would spank Ranonic or Tomic anywhere any day. I simply think that none of these youngsters are that good. too bad, too sad.

what have these youngsters really achieved? nothing really.
I agree.

I am stunned how players who have only won a couple of measly ATP titles have the confidence to say they are nor far behind the ones who have won a ton of Masters shields and GS. I like people being positive and self believers but in this case Raonic is just delusional. What has he ever achieved? Whom has he beaten? Istomin? Yeah, right it is almost like beating Rafa, Nole or Fed in a GS final. Almost... not.

And relying just on pushing a TB never liked those kind of players.
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