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02-19-2012 05:34 AM
Mountaindewslave
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

movement..... anyone can pull Berdych around the court on slow courtsssssss. that contributes to his inconsistancy in my opinion because i think at moments he feels like he has to overhit to compensate for his lack of speed
02-19-2012 05:02 AM
nsidhan
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

His bird brain.
02-19-2012 12:48 AM
luie
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

Del-pony showed us why.
Berdshit is a bye for the moonballer.
Del-pony > birdshit any day.
02-18-2012 06:06 PM
ossie
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

he keeps facing players that are better than him.
02-18-2012 05:58 PM
Raiden
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

Top 4? LMAO

Have you seen today's match?

Despite being in top form and so far this year undefeated (in ATP matches) Berdych escaped a near certain bagel by Delpo, who was spanking him at will... to the point of making him cry and moan.
02-18-2012 04:20 PM
Li Ching Yuen
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

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Originally Posted by LisaKoh View Post
So do we conclude from here that Berdych is simply destined to be King of the Second Tier? He's beating the guys he's supposed to be beating but he doesn't seem to have the X-factor that would get someone a GS or make someone a consistent threat. Maybe he can be counted on for an SF or two but seven straight seems like a big ask unless he makes some serious, drastic changes to his game.
We can conclude that Del Potro is by far the most certain #5 in the world, potentially higher if Fed goes senile 100%.

Soderling and Berdych look about the same when they play Del Potro when the Argentine is playing great AND serving great.

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About this match, Berdych was clearly rattled by a lot of things as the match went on, most importantly by how unbelievable Potro was from the baseline. His only chance was if he had served as great as he did in the past few months, however in contrast he came up with his most horrific serve performance of the year, which was again, due to the pressure from Potro playing so well and him not being able to be composed when he did have some small chances.

Federer can beat Potro though, and pretty easily if he is on for one match, which would not be that surprising. Had he met Berdych which would mean the Czech would be coming into the match as confident as possible, I don't know, let's just say Federer matches much better against the Argentine.
02-18-2012 04:11 PM
LisaKoh
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

So do we conclude from here that Berdych is simply destined to be King of the Second Tier? He's beating the guys he's supposed to be beating but he doesn't seem to have the X-factor that would get someone a GS or make someone a consistent threat. Maybe he can be counted on for an SF or two but seven straight seems like a big ask unless he makes some serious, drastic changes to his game.
02-18-2012 11:05 AM
azure
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

Despite personality faults, he is a good player. However the Top 4 is, and has been for a while, a cut above the rest of the field in terms of consistency.
02-18-2012 10:13 AM
spielmacher
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

Nothing stops him to the Top 4 :-)
Clay is not problem (Title from Munich), Murray, Federer can be defeated, mentally it is still stronger.
02-18-2012 10:11 AM
Houstonko
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

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Originally Posted by desigundah View Post
Pretty simple: Theres atleast 4 players that are better than him.

Perhaps asking why Berdych isn't top 5 is a better question. Theres no reason 5'8" soon to be 30 year old Ferrer is ahead of him. Tsonga and Berdych are pretty comparable with Tsonga probably having a better serve and a much better net game but Berdych having a bigger forehand (not by much) and better backhand.

As far as mechanics go the answer is pretty easy. The inconsistent ball toss doesn't help. The terrible net game hurts him too. If he sured up those two things he would be top 5 for sure and be a threat against the big 3+ Murray consistently.
Ferrer is not better than him, just better in defensive qualities, poorer in offensive qualities yet he is consistent no.5. There is enough evidence surface is main the reason. Berdych, Tsonga and Delpo will be devastating in the older courts 7 yrs ago. Nadal and spanish players who grew up on clay benefit the most from today's court, look how many in top 30. Ferrer was even ranked lower when he was young and start to rise up in like 27.
02-18-2012 08:55 AM
LisaKoh
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

But even if he fixed those things there's too little margin for error with his shots. They're too flat. Everything relies on his timing to be good and there is simply no plan B when the A game breaks down.

The surfaces and the weight of the balls probably don't help either.
02-18-2012 08:42 AM
desigundah
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

Pretty simple: Theres atleast 4 players that are better than him.

Perhaps asking why Berdych isn't top 5 is a better question. Theres no reason 5'8" soon to be 30 year old Ferrer is ahead of him. Tsonga and Berdych are pretty comparable with Tsonga probably having a better serve and a much better net game but Berdych having a bigger forehand (not by much) and better backhand.

As far as mechanics go the answer is pretty easy. The inconsistent ball toss doesn't help. The terrible net game hurts him too. If he sured up those two things he would be top 5 for sure and be a threat against the big 3+ Murray consistently.
02-17-2012 08:43 PM
Li Ching Yuen
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

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Originally Posted by mooncreek View Post
Unfortunately, I did see the Robert match. I didn't just make up yelling that to post a comment. Berdych let that guy take over.
No. When an opponent closes his eyes and starts half volleying the ball on a clay court trying to rip winners everywhere and gets the line on almost every shot, there's not a lot you can do. The guy hung on in there, even if frustrated he played the game as he should've and heck with some luck he could've had that match point and that game would've been history for everyone.

Or you could expect that somehow he got Isner's serve and Nadal's resilience for half a set just to put the guy away because MTF thinks it's inconceivable a guy ranked around 100 can play tennis, like he's an amateur filling draws in slams for the nice folks at the ITF. But it doesn't work that way, this a real sport, and a competitive one at that.

I'm sure there's also other people that think Llodra played like a "mug" and won their 1R at the US the year before, but the people that know tennis saw what happened and drew the right conclusions.
02-17-2012 08:36 PM
mooncreek
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

Unfortunately, I did see the Robert match. I didn't just make up yelling that to post a comment. Berdych let that guy take over.
02-17-2012 08:29 PM
Li Ching Yuen
Re: What is stopping Berdych from becoming a Top 4?

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Originally Posted by mooncreek View Post
What's above his shoulders.

More so than any other Top 10 player, he's suspectible to moments where you can't help but yell at the TV "What is wrong with you!" Whether it's the mess at the end of the Almagro match at AO or losing to Stephane Robert first round of a major! His stretch at the French Open and Wimbledon in 2010 shows there's great upside but he's just not consistent with his shots in big matches.
Did you watch the Robert match?
Probably not. So please refrain from commenting on it.

As for the topic at hand:

Tennis wise:

Consistent serve.
Better second serve.
Better movement from the far-out forehand side.
A bit more margin on his rally shot.

^All those are not major issues but they're shortcomings that do stop him from making the next step.

Mentally he's not the weakest player in the Top10 even. Sure it'd be awesome if he was as strong mentally as Nadal but looking at the big picture the dude is not the guy to point out to in that area when you have guys like Verdasco and Fognini in the Top50.

An often critique you see a lot of people throwing at him is "Why didn't he beat *inserthigherrankedslamwinningplayerhere" in that match", I guess that's a compliment for Internet standards.

The way I see it, he could only maximize his potential if he manages his hot streaks of form better, that includes winning ugly and other valuable aspects of competitive sport. Few people seem to have forgot of his pre 09 days when every single day on a tennis court for him was either yes or no, with no grey area inbetween and plenty of excuses in case "no" happened. He went from there to being on paper one of the best players in the world and a decent competitor pretty much against anyone right now.

I think he's done well, and he's still improving as a player and a competitor.
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