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02-13-2012 08:28 PM
MM_1257
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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Originally Posted by Vida View Post
I understood celiac disease is indeed rare (though many people have some sort of discomfort with gluten food).
Novak doesn't have celiac disease, if anything he has gluten sensitivity... But if you read how dr. Cetojevic "diagnosed" the disease you may go -->
02-13-2012 08:26 PM
Lopez
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

Novak's serve was indeed better in 2007-2008. Look at the videos from back then, his motion was a bit different with more body torque IMO and better force. His kick serve used to be a monster, nowadays he rarely hits it. He was a tad more aggressive, though I don't think by much. His slice and net game have improved but the biggest thing is the mentality in tough situations and fitness, which also allows him to play better defense.

On the Fedal decline, Federer has clearly declined from his peak form but not as much as some seem to suggest. Nadal IMO is not in decline, at the AO he was at peak level especially in the fourth set and won it in a tiebreak against a subpar Nole. It's just a matchup issue, same like peak Fed losing to Nadal.
02-13-2012 07:42 PM
xargon
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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No one is unlucky for three years straight, and only specifically at majors – if you don't win any, you're just not good enough.
That's exactly how I feel about Murray.
02-13-2012 04:20 PM
Vida
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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Originally Posted by Myrre View Post
A one season allergy? That's pretty rare.
I understood celiac disease is indeed rare (though many people have some sort of discomfort with gluten food).
02-13-2012 03:46 PM
Myrre
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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Originally Posted by Vida View Post
he had a nasty allergy whole summer, probably connected to immunity screw-up/celiac disease shit. was totally out of form.
A one season allergy? That's pretty rare.
02-13-2012 02:52 PM
Vida
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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Losing to Melzer at Roland Garros is not luck... it's just an awful performance
he had a nasty allergy whole summer, probably connected to immunity screw-up/celiac disease shit. was totally out of form.
02-13-2012 01:11 PM
bokehlicious
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

He just didn't have the "egg" back then
02-13-2012 11:52 AM
Thunderfish8
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

Losing to Melzer at Roland Garros is not luck... it's just an awful performance
02-13-2012 10:48 AM
Alex999
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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No one is unlucky for three years straight, and only specifically at majors – if you don't win any, you're just not good enough. If anything, Djokovic was lucky to win AO2008 because Federer was afflicted with an illness. Novak wasn't lucky in his last four major wins though – luck played no part in that.
I can NOT stress enough all that bs about Rog's mono. How was he able to reach semis if he was really sick. BS. Novak played a brilliant match in 2008. Rog's ego is simply too big. He had to find something to justify his loss.
02-13-2012 07:29 AM
Houstonko
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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09 AO. The heat got him, he was winning that Roddick match otherwise.
Its his own fault but this can happen to anyone.
He was winning? I don't think so, Roddick owned him. Djoker retired when he was down 2-1 sets and break.
02-12-2012 09:53 PM
stewietennis
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

No one is unlucky for three years straight, and only specifically at majors – if you don't win any, you're just not good enough. If anything, Djokovic was lucky to win AO2008 because Federer was afflicted with an illness. Novak wasn't lucky in his last four major wins though – luck played no part in that.
02-12-2012 05:08 PM
Ash86
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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Originally Posted by Nole Rules View Post
Even if 2008 Nadal was playing against Nole V.2 in 2011. Nole V.2 would still has the edge in this match up. That's because it's a match up issue for Rafa. After all there is a reason why Rafa hasn't beat this verison of Nole so far.

Nole did beat 2008 Nadal more than once i guess. Rafa is yet to get a win against Nole V.2.
Nadal 2011 lost in a final set tiebreak in Miami & could have been 5-2 up in the final set a few weeks ago. Sure it's a match up issue but that doesn't mean Nadal would never win against Novak. At RG, since we're only talking about slams, even Novak 2011 would not win 3 sets at RG against Nadal 2008 - he was a different player confidence wise and was unplayable pretty much at that tournament. At Wimbledon given that Novak 2.0 lost sets to Baghdatis & Tomic I think it's safe to say Nadal, the better grasscourt player, who was on a hot streak all summer, would still have had the edge.

On hardcourts the results would have stayed the same - victories for Djokovic. Nadal will get a win against this Novak at some point - just because Nadal 2011 didn't beat him doesn't mean Nadal 2008 would have had the same issues... The compounded mental impact of all those losses last year cannot be discounted either. As bad as the match up is Nadal can still keep it competitive and it's not a walk in the park for Novak...
02-12-2012 05:07 PM
Mystique
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

Nope. He under performed in 2009 and 2010, playing well only in patches and MM tourneys and went AWOL in Slams. No luck factor here.
02-12-2012 05:02 PM
munZe konZa
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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I think it's a bit of both - his game improved a bit - mainly his serve got back to normal after the awful 2010 & then his confidence just soared after Davis Cup 2010 and Aus Open 2011. Beating Nadal in those finals also helped his confidence - if he'd lost Indian Wells or Miami I don't think we'd have seen quite the dominance from him - as Nadal might have had a different attitude in the clay finals for example. It's clear that for players like Nadal & Djokovic their mental state and confidence affects them a lot - they've said as much in interviews...

But it's also a bit to do with Fedal declining - Novak had no chance at RG & Wimbledon in 2008 - Fedal (or mainly Rafa at RG) too good, in 2009 he had chances & should have capitalised on Nadal losing early in RG but didn't & in 2010 his serve was terrible - that's not bad luck. If he was facing 2006/2007 Federer or 2008 Nadal would he have been as dominant as he was last year? No. Doesn't mean he's not playing fantastic - after all 2008 Nadal didn't face this Novak; but to say his lack of GS wins was to do with luck is silly - he had good draws, was no. 3 in the world yet failed to win a slam or even reach a final for nearly years. For a player of his calibre to take another 11 slams to get to a final after winning the Aus Open 2008 was a waste of talent and no one's fault but his own.

The only thing you could say he was unlucky about was to keep falling into Roger's half at the US Open - if he'd been in Nadal's half he'd have got to the final again before 2010....

Anyone that has followed Nole going back to beginnings knows that he didn't improve, he always had the same capabilities but just matured and stopped being bothered by outside influences. His forehand/backhand and everything else is the same now as it was 5 years ago. There were lots of things happening outside the court that influenced his decline from 2008-2010 and finally he stopped being bothered by it and concentrated on playing .

He was losing to so many different players and even winning some difficult games because he was not in it mentally. He wasn't losing to Federer/Nadal but to Roddick, Tsonga, Kohlschreiber, old Haas, Safin and many others. It's a wonder and a testament to his talent that he stayed relevant during that time.

Now I don't know how that lull is going to influence him in his future. Obviously those times were lean times and he remembers them and stays hungry or he could be hit by short term success and never win again.
02-12-2012 04:45 PM
Nole Rules
Re: Was Djokovic just really unlucky at slams between 2008 and 2010?

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I think it's a bit of both - his game improved a bit - mainly his serve got back to normal after the awful 2010 & then his confidence just soared after Davis Cup 2010 and Aus Open 2011. Beating Nadal in those finals also helped his confidence - if he'd lost Indian Wells or Miami I don't think we'd have seen quite the dominance from him - as Nadal might have had a different attitude in the clay finals for example. It's clear that for players like Nadal & Djokovic their mental state and confidence affects them a lot - they've said as much in interviews...

But it's also a bit to do with Fedal declining - Novak had no chance at RG & Wimbledon in 2008 - Fedal (or mainly Rafa at RG) too good, in 2009 he had chances & should have capitalised on Nadal losing early in RG but didn't & in 2010 his serve was terrible - that's not bad luck. If he was facing 2006/2007 Federer or 2008 Nadal would he have been as dominant as he was last year? No. Doesn't mean he's not playing fantastic - after all 2008 Nadal didn't face this Novak; but to say his lack of GS wins was to do with luck is silly - he had good draws, was no. 3 in the world yet failed to win a slam or even reach a final for nearly years. For a player of his calibre to take another 11 slams to get to a final after winning the Aus Open 2008 was a waste of talent and no one's fault but his own.

The only thing you could say he was unlucky about was to keep falling into Roger's half at the US Open - if he'd been in Nadal's half he'd have got to the final again before 2010....
Even if 2008 Nadal was playing against Nole V.2 in 2011. Nole V.2 would still has the edge in this match up. That's because it's a match up issue for Rafa. After all there is a reason why Rafa hasn't beat this verison of Nole so far.

Nole did beat 2008 Nadal more than once i guess. Rafa is yet to get a win against Nole V.2.
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