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02-12-2012 03:54 PM
MuzzahLovah
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

Slow, high bouncing clay allows Isner lope around to a lot more balls, giving him more chances to get to net. But really, Roger has won Roland Garros and has been to the finals several times, and obviously knows how to play clay. Fed has been collapsing from leads in 5 set matches a lot lately, and not just on clay.
02-12-2012 01:57 PM
Sunset of Age
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

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Originally Posted by peRfect-Tennis View Post
Bad bounce or no bad bounce Fed shouldn't be losing to Isner!
The days that Fed used to easily kick any opponent (bar Nadal) to Kingdom Come are behind him. And a guy who even managed to push Nadal to five sets on a likewise surface surely isn't a 'mug'.
I might get some shtick for saying this but I cannot help but feel that the Swiss team might well have underestimated their opponents for a bit. Not just Fed against Isner, but Wawa against Fish as well, as Fish hadn't been doing well lately at all (his AO performance was )...
It's cost them dearly but well... human behaviour.

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But it's Davis Cup - who cares!
I surely don't. Never had anything with DC personally, the only good thing about it is seeing best-of-five matches again.
02-12-2012 01:31 PM
perfect-tennis
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

Bad bounce or no bad bounce Fed shouldn't be losing to Isner! But it's Davis Cup - who cares!
02-12-2012 12:39 PM
Vida
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

havent watched this but for what its worth I can recall isner djoko DC match from few years back in belgrade, on bad clay court. granted it was a pre-monster version of djoko but never the less, isner almost won that one and it didnt seem clay disfavoured him at all, but it rather helped his otherwise poor return game.
02-12-2012 12:25 PM
masterclass
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

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Originally Posted by MrEleganza View Post
The court undoubtedly helped Isner. But that said, did anyone think it would matter beforehand? Federer may not underestimate any opponent, but that doesn't mean Swiss DC organizers don't. I picked SUI to win this tie 4-1. If I would've posted, pre-match, "The ball bounces really high on this court, do you think this will throw the match to Isner?" I don't think anyone could've taken the question seriously, let alone agree that it would.
To a biased fan or less discerning observer, probably not. They usually look at the overall and/or head to head record.
But to an unbiased learned observer that weighs all factors, the conditions are a serious factor.
Due to his height, Mr. Isner slaps high bouncing balls without hesitation and Mr. Federer has consistently struggled.
The outcome? "It's the obvious, really".
What is simply amazing is that Swiss Tennis didn't alter the court to be better suited to their #1 player.
I'm sure this is one of the questions that will be scrutinized...

I'll be very interested on how this result improves Mr. Isner's confidence and results.
Big Davis Cup wins have been a spring board in improving many careers.
I see him as the only American threat at a major this year. But he needs a good draw and some luck to have a chance.

Respectfully,
masterclass
02-12-2012 10:10 AM
MrEleganza
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

The court undoubtedly helped Isner. But that said, did anyone think it would matter beforehand? Federer may not underestimate any opponent, but that doesn't mean Swiss DC organizers don't. I picked SUI to win this tie 4-1. If I would've posted, pre-match, "The ball bounces really high on this court, do you think this will throw the match to Isner?" I don't think anyone could've taken the question seriously, let alone agree that it would.
02-12-2012 07:19 AM
cardio
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

Found little highlight video, it isnt much, few points only

http://youtu.be/2MUl_JHuVqg

About bad bounces. How it works: player who stays on baseline is more vulnerable to bad bounces. Player, who comes to the net on first opportunity, volleys a lot and serves from the tree has advantage. My guess is Isner and Fish are players, who are eager to come to the net, even on clay. And you can play well on clay without grinding 30 stroke rallies on baseline. Edberg and Mac were in RG final with S&V and it was dead slow, super high bounce "old" clay...
02-12-2012 04:02 AM
star
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

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Originally Posted by moon language View Post
From what I saw it looked like the bounce was high on that court. I don't understand why they would pick a high bouncing court given what can happen with Federer's backhand. I suppose they figured the bounce wouldn't matter given the US players' styles, but it still seems like a bad move. I would think they would go for the lowest bouncing court possible so that Federer can hit all his backhands in the strike zone, in which case he's still nearly unbeatable.
The U.S. commenters were saying the court was so bad with poor bounces that it gave the U.S. an advantage. I’m not sure how that works exactly. Supposedly, this is something Mardy also noted.

I think one of the reasons for the high bounce is also the altitude, although not particularly high, it’s 2,000 feet.
02-12-2012 02:29 AM
moon language
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

From what I saw it looked like the bounce was high on that court. I don't understand why they would pick a high bouncing court given what can happen with Federer's backhand. I suppose they figured the bounce wouldn't matter given the US players' styles, but it still seems like a bad move. I would think they would go for the lowest bouncing court possible so that Federer can hit all his backhands in the strike zone, in which case he's still nearly unbeatable.
02-11-2012 09:44 PM
samanosuke
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

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Originally Posted by tangerine_dream View Post
Fans like you with their noses in the air are one reason why Federer has haters.
you are supporting the players which fans no matter how deluded and annoying they are can't be the main reason of hatred
02-11-2012 09:39 PM
tangerine_dream
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

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Originally Posted by siffleanimaux View Post
It really makes me wonder how Federer, the last man to play such graceful tennis, has so many haters. You aren't really a fan of tennis if you hate his game.
Fans like you with their noses in the air are one reason why Federer has haters.
02-11-2012 04:37 PM
star
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

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Originally Posted by Corey Feldman View Post
wasn't born in the right country would be more accurate
So you think Carl Uwe-Steeb was a stronger Davis Cup teammate than Wawarinka?

Becker won twice against against power house Sweden who fielded Wilander, Edberg and Anders Jarryd. Becker’s teammates were Eric Jalen and Carl-Uwe Steeb..

Before that in 1985, Germany reached the final against Sweden and Becker had as his teammates Michael Westphal and Andreas Mauer.


It was extremely hard on Becker and probably detracted from his singles results, and Becker opted out of DC for a couple of years to pursue his goal of becoming the top ranked player. I don’t say that Fed needs to be a DC warrior, but I think if he really wanted to, he could have carried Switzerland to at least a DC final — especially in the years 2003 − 2007.
02-11-2012 04:37 PM
EddieNero
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

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Originally Posted by cutesteve22 View Post
well. this might be the most embarrassing loss in Federer's career. Lost to all serve mug on CLAY... such a disgrace.
Losing to Nadal at Wimbledon was more embarrassing by a mile.
02-11-2012 04:33 PM
cutesteve22
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

well. this might be the most embarrassing loss in Federer's career. Lost to all serve mug on CLAY... such a disgrace.
02-11-2012 04:09 PM
Corey Feldman
Re: DC Round 1: Isner defeats Federer 4-6 6-3 7-6 6-2 (USA leads 2-0)

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Originally Posted by shotgun View Post
Federer really wasn't born for Davis Cup it seems.
wasn't born in the right country would be more accurate
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