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08-05-2013 09:39 PM
Sombrerero loco
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

rusty takes it in terms of talent, imo
08-05-2013 09:06 PM
rleatherman
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

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Originally Posted by Kyle_Johansen View Post
I don't know why people forget how many great players played in 2001-2004. There was no one dominant player until Federer raised his game in 2004 but why does that make it weak? There were many contenders at every tournament, and isn't that what competition is about? How is an era where there are 3 real contenders for every Masters and Slam (now) more "competitive" than one where anyone in the top 20 (or even outside) could make deep runs in tournaments and be winners?
great point
08-05-2013 08:43 PM
Brick Top
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

Hewitt. Close the thread.
08-05-2013 08:36 PM
Kyle_Johansen
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

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Originally Posted by rleatherman View Post
Don't agree... take a look at the Top Ten players Hewitt was up against during 2001 -2003:

Gustavo Kuerten, Andre Agassi, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Sebastian Grosjean, Patrick Rafter, Tommy Haas, Tim Henman, Pete Sampras, Carlos Moya, Roger Federer, Jiri Novak, Albert Costa, Andy Roddick, Guillermo Coria, Rainer Schuettler, David Nalbandian, Mark Philippoussis, Marat Safin

Federer was number 2 in the world in 2003, number 6 in the world in 2002 and number 12 in the world in 2001... hardly MIA. Saying no one else emerged with him is not correct. For example, Juan Carlos Ferrero emerged at the exact same time, went on to be number 1 in the world in 2003 and was in the top 5 for most of 2001 and 2002. David Nalbandian also emerged at the same time as Hewitt climbing into the top ten in 2003 and was in the top 20 in 2002. Guillermo Coria emerged at the same time and was a top 3 player. Kuerten... number 1 in the world. Moya was number 4 in 2003. Safin emerged at exactly the same time as Hewitt and made it to number one during that time and was a dominant force in tennis for years later.

Also, Agassi was at the 2nd peak of his career having climbed back into number 1 position in 2001 and 2003 and number 2 in 2002. He was arguably playing the best tennis of his career. Haas made it to number 2 at the time and he's ranked # 12 today.
I don't know why people forget how many great players played in 2001-2004. There was no one dominant player until Federer raised his game in 2004 but why does that make it weak? There were many contenders at every tournament, and isn't that what competition is about? How is an era where there are 3 real contenders for every Masters and Slam (now) more "competitive" than one where anyone in the top 20 (or even outside) could make deep runs in tournaments and be winners?
08-05-2013 12:35 PM
rleatherman
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

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All the way Courier.
really... did you not read the stats?
08-05-2013 12:05 PM
NicolasKiefer44
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

All the way Courier.
08-05-2013 05:13 AM
rleatherman
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

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Originally Posted by Mountaindewslave View Post
Courier had a higher level of competition when he won his Grand Slams than Hewitt did. both weren't on top of the game in particularly strong periods of time BUT you can't be on top in much more of a transitional period than Hewitt was. I think memory becomes a problem, like with this poll, people vote for Hewitt because they better remember his best moments, and forget how great Courier was at certain points. Not at all similar styles but Courier was very talented off the baseline and it's a bit of a myth that people figured him out as much as that someone with his style couldn't dominate for a prolonged period of time against the variety that was around as the 90's developed.

Definitely Courier > Hewitt as far as talent, Hewitt got extremely lucky no one else emerged with him besides Roddick and that the other great players were winding down. Federer was MIA for a few years as well which definitely helped.

Courier had a tougher field and was more talented.
Don't agree... take a look at the Top Ten players Hewitt was up against during 2001 -2003:

Gustavo Kuerten, Andre Agassi, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Sebastian Grosjean, Patrick Rafter, Tommy Haas, Tim Henman, Pete Sampras, Carlos Moya, Roger Federer, Jiri Novak, Albert Costa, Andy Roddick, Guillermo Coria, Rainer Schuettler, David Nalbandian, Mark Philippoussis, Marat Safin

Federer was number 2 in the world in 2003, number 6 in the world in 2002 and number 12 in the world in 2001... hardly MIA. Saying no one else emerged with him is not correct. For example, Juan Carlos Ferrero emerged at the exact same time, went on to be number 1 in the world in 2003 and was in the top 5 for most of 2001 and 2002. David Nalbandian also emerged at the same time as Hewitt climbing into the top ten in 2003 and was in the top 20 in 2002. Guillermo Coria emerged at the same time and was a top 3 player. Kuerten... number 1 in the world. Moya was number 4 in 2003. Safin emerged at exactly the same time as Hewitt and made it to number one during that time and was a dominant force in tennis for years later.

Also, Agassi was at the 2nd peak of his career having climbed back into number 1 position in 2001 and 2003 and number 2 in 2002. He was arguably playing the best tennis of his career. Haas made it to number 2 at the time and he's ranked # 12 today.
08-05-2013 04:06 AM
dencod16
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

Courier was a better baseliner but Hewitt is better overall.
08-05-2013 04:04 AM
dencod16
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

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True. But strangely, Courier had most success when the competition was best, 91-93. For example, end 92 the top10: Courier, Edberg, Sampras, Ivanisevic, Becker, Chang, Korda, Lendl and Krajicek. Now some weren't the players they had been, or the players they would become, so that looks stronger than it is ....... but still, topping that lot takes some doing.

Oddly enough, despite the level of the field dropping away seriously as the 90s went on, Courier never regained the level of those years.
LOL. Edberg, Lendl were in decline. And Ivanisevic and Krajicek reaching QF of French shows how player were on clay. Chang and Sampras were just going up the ladder. Kodra was a random player, he reached the final of French Open but never got beyond 4th round other than that, Won Australian Open but only got pass the 3rd round other than that.
08-05-2013 03:17 AM
rleatherman
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

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Originally Posted by HKz View Post
Courier's numbers are IMO unfairly skewed due to his immediate decline after 1993, he was burned out. Hewitt on the other hand didn't drop in results as quickly because he was pretty much a top contender from about 2000 till perhaps around 2006. Such a question requires one to look at just their peak years. But yes, in overall numbers, Hewitt perhaps the more successful player despite the lack of 2 slams.
Actually this is where there are similarities in that I agree that Courier's numbers and ranking fell when he was burned out... Hewitt's numbers also declined from major injuries in his career being 2008 hip surgery and later major foot surgery. He has been plagued with foot issues from 2007.

Courier was still in the top 20's in 1997, ten years after he kicked off his career and Lleyton Hewitt was also in top 20's in 2007, ten years after his career started. Hewitt and Jim both declined around the same time in their careers with Hewitt making somewhat of a resurgence in 2010.

If you look at both of their peak years, Hewitt still has dramatically better stats, hence the reason why overall Hewitt's stats are dramatically better in just about all categories.
08-05-2013 02:28 AM
HKz
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

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Originally Posted by rleatherman View Post
The statistics don't lie... Hewitt by a long shot. See attached Statistics
Courier's numbers are IMO unfairly skewed due to his immediate decline after 1993, he was burned out. Hewitt on the other hand didn't drop in results as quickly because he was pretty much a top contender from about 2000 till perhaps around 2006. Such a question requires one to look at just their peak years. But yes, in overall numbers, Hewitt perhaps the more successful player despite the lack of 2 slams.
08-05-2013 02:19 AM
leng jai
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

Courier played baseball on a tennis court.
08-05-2013 01:39 AM
BackhandDTL
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

I don't know why this thread was revived, but I'd like to know where I can get a pair of rose-colored lenses people oft-review the past with.

Reading this thread, you would think Courier was some all-court legend rather than the decidedly one-dimensional great he actually was.

"Solid backhand" That's so generous.
08-05-2013 01:32 AM
Del GOATro
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

Courier by a country mile.
08-05-2013 12:52 AM
Kyle_Johansen
Re: Who's more talented? Hewitt vs. Courier

Not to let a good bump go to waste....

Hewitt.
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