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12-26-2012 11:26 PM
abraxas21
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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Originally Posted by buddyholly View Post
When you talk of social assistance to those in need and freedom, what does Iceland do for foreign aid? What does Iceland do to help people from oppressed countries in the way of immigration? It is Canada and the US that lead the world in that respect.
i don't care much for foreign aid. countries should be left to develop on their own. as things stand today, most of the foreign aid does more harm than good (mostly because it's badly intended, though).

what i mean with social assistance to those in need is to help the ones within their own country.
12-26-2012 10:25 PM
buddyholly
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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Originally Posted by abraxas21 View Post

i simply advocate for democracy (the truly inclusive and participative one), respect for human rights, respect of other countries' internal affairs, social assistance to those in need and freedom. then again, this wasn't about me...
Sounds like Canada to me.

You can't really compare Iceland to the USA or England. It is a very small country and does not have the problems of larger more open countries.
When you talk of social assistance to those in need and freedom, what does Iceland do for foreign aid? What does Iceland do to help people from oppressed countries in the way of immigration? It is Canada and the US that lead the world in that respect.
12-26-2012 01:32 PM
abraxas21
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

not really my conclusion

but the western economic model is kind of a vague term. for starters, i'd much prefer iceland over england or canada over the USA. i'm not really anti western as many times you and others have labeled me. i simply advocate for democracy (the truly inclusive and participative one), respect for human rights, respect of other countries' internal affairs, social assistance to those in need and freedom. then again, this wasn't about me...
12-22-2012 11:32 AM
buddyholly
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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what are they based on then? Independent studies from independent organizations?



not sure how you got to that conclusion, but whatever floats your boat, i guess.
Right wing studies from right wing organizations. Isn't everything you don'l like automatically sourced to western imperialist lies?

It was your conclusion, I thought.
12-21-2012 02:55 PM
abraxas21
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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Who ever said it was ''people's perceptions''?
what are they based on then? Independent studies from independent organizations?

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But at least the answer you came up with to my statement that the path to least corruption has been overwhelmingly shown to be the western economic model is ''right.''
Not much else you could say, actually.
not sure how you got to that conclusion, but whatever floats your boat, i guess.
12-19-2012 04:03 PM
buddyholly
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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my country, easily one of the most capitalist of the region, also fairs well in corruption indexes and I know it's BS. Corruption might not happen much at a small citizen-cop or citizen-gvt level, but it's completely institutionalized at at big business-state level. Most of our legislators and top gvt official are riddled with commercial conflicts of interest. Most people are of course unaware (thanks again, free press), hence why we fare relatively well in those so called indexes.


Maybe you haven't woken up to the fact that even though your country is capitalist and has a lot of corruption, RELATIVE to surrounding states that are more socialist, Chile is the LEAST corrupt.

But of course, you once again fall back on your standby answer that nobody knows the truth but yourself. Self delusion is your forte.
12-19-2012 03:58 PM
buddyholly
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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keep believing in the indexes of people's perceptions about their countries' corruption levels. in nations in which the media is inevitably tied to commercial interests, the general public is only gonna get access to certain things.


Most people are of course unaware (thanks again, free press), hence why we fare relatively well in those so called indexes.

Who ever said it was ''people's perceptions''?

You are so lucky to be so different and unique as to be not one of the general public. But then, that is not the ''people's perception'', just your own.

But at least the answer you came up with to my statement that the path to least corruption has been overwhelmingly shown to be the western economic model is ''right.''
Not much else you could say, actually.
12-16-2012 07:43 PM
abraxas21
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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FACT: In a global corruption index, the western countries are clearly separated from the rest of the world. The correlation is almost perfect: western capitalist system = least corrupt societies.
keep believing in the indexes of people's perceptions about their countries' corruption levels. in nations in which the media is inevitably tied to commercial interests, the general public is only gonna get access to certain things.
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Iceland is one of the least corrupt countries in the world - ahead of every single Latin American country. What made news was that there was actually some corruption in Iceland.
some? No, sir. "Some corruption" doesn't account for the results that happened. No sure why you have to add Latin America to the mix but let me tell you, my country, easily one of the most capitalist of the region, also fairs well in corruption indexes and I know it's BS. Corruption might not happen much at a small citizen-cop or citizen-gvt level, but it's completely institutionalized at at big business-state level. Most of our legislators and top gvt official are riddled with commercial conflicts of interest. Most people are of course unaware (thanks again, free press), hence why we fare relatively well in those so called indexes.

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But compared to every non western country, it was insignificant. If you want to see corruption-free countries, the Western capitalist model has been proved 100% to be the route to take. Just the facts.
right.

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Sometimes I wonder if you have any connection to reality at all.
no mirrors in your house, it seems...
12-16-2012 04:44 AM
buddyholly
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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apples and oranges, i know, but when the english courts where condemning youngters to 10+ month sentences over stealing sneakers, in iceland they were planning the way for a new constitution, a more democratic one, after the corrupt former leaders of the country were put in prison due to the people taking a stand against the abusive forces of today's capitalism.

sooner or later, many other countries will follow iceland's path and they won't be revolutions (like in iceland, the system won't be totally replaced) but they certainly help the course of democracy and the cleaning up of the political machinery.
Sometimes I wonder if you have any connection to reality at all.

FACT: In a global corruption index, the western countries are clearly separated from the rest of the world. The correlation is almost perfect: western capitalist system = least corrupt societies.

Iceland is one of the least corrupt countries in the world - ahead of every single Latin American country. What made news was that there was actually some corruption in Iceland. But compared to every non western country, it was insignificant. If you want to see corruption-free countries, the Western capitalist model has been proved 100% to be the route to take. Just the facts.
12-16-2012 04:33 AM
rocketassist
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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Yes because all rich people have been kings

Isn't it better to actually try to create the possibilities for yourself than complain about it? Fact is, a lot of rich people create their own fortune and that's what I aim to do as well.

Naturally I'm working under the assumption that a country has the things organized which I mentioned (education, health etc.).
Because everyone's talented enough to run a business

The ConDems lie about the NHS cuts. Under this appalling government, the NHS will be screwed if they somehow fluked a second term (or if the Tories won the next election)- neither are happening.
12-16-2012 04:15 AM
abraxas21
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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Lol at you spunking your pants at the thought of a revolution. Talk of a revolution is absolute nonsense.
apples and oranges, i know, but when the english courts where condemning youngters to 10+ month sentences over stealing sneakers, in iceland they were planning the way for a new constitution, a more democratic one, after the corrupt former leaders of the country were put in prison due to the people taking a stand against the abusive forces of today's capitalism.

sooner or later, many other countries will follow iceland's path and they won't be revolutions (like in iceland, the system won't be totally replaced) but they certainly help the course of democracy and the cleaning up of the political machinery.
11-28-2011 10:52 PM
Lopez
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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Did the Royal Family work hard to be rich? I suppose William the Conqueror 'earned' the throne at Hastings, did he not?
Yes because all rich people have been kings

Isn't it better to actually try to create the possibilities for yourself than complain about it? Fact is, a lot of rich people create their own fortune and that's what I aim to do as well.

Naturally I'm working under the assumption that a country has the things organized which I mentioned (education, health etc.).
11-28-2011 10:46 PM
safin-rules-no.1
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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Did the Royal Family work hard to be rich?
All those countries didn't invade themselves.
11-28-2011 10:44 PM
rocketassist
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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Originally Posted by Lopez View Post
Either they themselves worked hard or someone in their family . You're saying Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg didn't work hard?

Fact is, success is based on hard work, there are a lot of studies about it... Businessmen hone their craft as well.

It's time people stop being jealous and start being productive.
Did the Royal Family work hard to be rich? I suppose William the Conqueror 'earned' the throne at Hastings, did he not?
11-28-2011 08:58 PM
Lopez
Re: The English riots: the personal cost

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Yeah the rich got rich cause they all worked hard so when the son of Lord Toff becomes a Toff himself, we can celebrate the mountain he climbed to get there.

Either they themselves worked hard or someone in their family . You're saying Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg didn't work hard?

Fact is, success is based on hard work, there are a lot of studies about it... Businessmen hone their craft as well.

It's time people stop being jealous and start being productive.
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